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Army tried way back when. Didn't work out.
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Originally Posted By weatherman:
Army tried way back when. Didn't work out.
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Why didn't it?
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Yep, came here to post about this.
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Yep i passed thru Quartzsite and stayed in Ehrenberg for a few weeks.

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Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:

Yep i passed thru Quartzsite and stayed in Ehrenberg for a few weeks.

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Hi Jolly's tomb

Yep i passed thru Quartzsite and stayed in Ehrenberg for a few weeks.


That's a few weeks more than I would like to stay!
Link Posted: 5/3/2015 2:25:56 PM EDT
Didn't work 'cuz there's too many rocks in our deserts.... camel's feet don't do rocks well...they're adapted for sand.
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Originally Posted By AquaticSherpa:
Why didn't it?
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Originally Posted By AquaticSherpa:
Originally Posted By weatherman:
Army tried way back when. Didn't work out.
Why didn't it?

They spooked the horses.

But i'm not talking about for military use.


Why can't we reintroduce them in the wild and maybe for pets? or for desert exploration? Just have to keep them separate from your horses.
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Originally Posted By weatherman:
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Much the same when they were tried in Australia.
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Originally Posted By NSEGE:
Didn't work 'cuz there's too many rocks in our deserts.... camel's feet don't do rocks well...they're adapted for sand.
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There's rocky terrain in Afganistan/Iraq right?
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Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:

They spooked the horses.

But i'm not talking about for military use.


Why can't we reintroduce them in the wild and maybe for pets? or for desert exploration? Just have to keep them separate from your horses.
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Originally Posted By AquaticSherpa:
Originally Posted By weatherman:
Army tried way back when. Didn't work out.
Why didn't it?

They spooked the horses.

But i'm not talking about for military use.


Why can't we reintroduce them in the wild and maybe for pets? or for desert exploration? Just have to keep them separate from your horses.



Why would you introduce a non native species that is not a work or food animal?
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Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:

There's rocky terrain in Afganistan/Iraq right?
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Didn't work 'cuz there's too many rocks in our deserts.... camel's feet don't do rocks well...they're adapted for sand.

There's rocky terrain in Afganistan/Iraq right?



And there isn't a fuck ton of camels as it gets rockier
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Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:

They spooked the horses.

But i'm not talking about for military use.


Why can't we reintroduce them in the wild and maybe for pets? or for desert exploration? Just have to keep them separate from your horses.
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Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:
Originally Posted By AquaticSherpa:
Originally Posted By weatherman:
Army tried way back when. Didn't work out.
Why didn't it?

They spooked the horses.

But i'm not talking about for military use.


Why can't we reintroduce them in the wild and maybe for pets? or for desert exploration? Just have to keep them separate from your horses.
Because they make shitty pets, and Bactrian and Dromedary camels never existed on the North American Continent?
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wrong climate

only thing a camel does better than a horse is not need to drink as often.

Most of the US.....dehydration isn't a big enough problem to suffer the problems of having camels vs. horses.

Horse has historical ties to USA, so people are more nostalgic about them. (Which is why wild horse slaughter is such a problem, even though we really really need to take a good % of those horses, like 100% of them, off of that land.....there is no such thing as a "wild" horse in the United States....only feral horses.).
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Why would you introduce a non native species that is not a work or food animal?
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Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:
Originally Posted By AquaticSherpa:
Originally Posted By weatherman:
Army tried way back when. Didn't work out.
Why didn't it?

They spooked the horses.

But i'm not talking about for military use.


Why can't we reintroduce them in the wild and maybe for pets? or for desert exploration? Just have to keep them separate from your horses.



Why would you introduce a non native species that is not a work or food animal?


Not a work animal? They looked like they worked in Iraq.
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Why would you introduce a non native species that is not a work or food animal?
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Originally Posted By AquaticSherpa:
Originally Posted By weatherman:
Army tried way back when. Didn't work out.
Why didn't it?

They spooked the horses.

But i'm not talking about for military use.


Why can't we reintroduce them in the wild and maybe for pets? or for desert exploration? Just have to keep them separate from your horses.



Why would you introduce a non native species that is not a work or food animal?

They were native thousands of years ago. They are not good meat?
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Originally Posted By fla556guy:
wrong climate

only thing a camel does better than a horse is not need to drink as often.

Most of the US.....dehydration isn't a big enough problem to suffer the problems of having camels vs. horses.

Horse has historical ties to USA, so people are more nostalgic about them. (Which is why wild horse slaughter is such a problem, even though we really really need to take a good % of those horses, like 100% of them, off of that land.....there is no such thing as a "wild" horse in the United States....only feral horses.).
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From what i understand white man reintroduced horses to America.
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Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:

They were native thousands of years ago. They are not good meat?
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Originally Posted By BobRoberts:
Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:
Originally Posted By AquaticSherpa:
Originally Posted By weatherman:
Army tried way back when. Didn't work out.
Why didn't it?

They spooked the horses.

But i'm not talking about for military use.


Why can't we reintroduce them in the wild and maybe for pets? or for desert exploration? Just have to keep them separate from your horses.



Why would you introduce a non native species that is not a work or food animal?

They were native thousands of years ago. They are not good meat?
Wrong Species.
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Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:

There's rocky terrain in Afganistan/Iraq right?
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Didn't work 'cuz there's too many rocks in our deserts.... camel's feet don't do rocks well...they're adapted for sand.

There's rocky terrain in Afganistan/Iraq right?



And there are only camels in the far south and west of both countries where it isn't very rocky.
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Originally Posted By fla556guy:
wrong climate

only thing a camel does better than a horse is not need to drink as often.

Most of the US.....dehydration isn't a big enough problem to suffer the problems of having camels vs. horses.

Horse has historical ties to USA, so people are more nostalgic about them. (Which is why wild horse slaughter is such a problem, even though we really really need to take a good % of those horses, like 100% of them, off of that land.....there is no such thing as a "wild" horse in the United States....only feral horses.).
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I don't much like horses but they're still better to deal with than camels.

Camels are assholes.
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And there are only camels in the far south and west of both countries where it isn't very rocky.
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Originally Posted By NSEGE:
Didn't work 'cuz there's too many rocks in our deserts.... camel's feet don't do rocks well...they're adapted for sand.

There's rocky terrain in Afganistan/Iraq right?



And there are only camels in the far south and west of both countries where it isn't very rocky.


We saw a bunch of them in rc east as well in the super flat ag areas & plateaus.
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Disney made a movie about it based loosely on the army's experience. IIIRC Slim Pickens was in it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4fCqbvoxdsQ
Link Posted: 5/3/2015 2:43:16 PM EDT
You have never seen the documentary on Camel Operations in the US Desert Southwest called Hawmps!?

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There was a US Army camel camp in Camp Verde Texas a long time ago. There's still a farm/ranch there that has camels...keeping the history alive.
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At least their toes are plentiful.
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Because they don't vote Democrat.
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Much the same when they were tried in Australia.
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Originally Posted By FlyingGorilla:
Originally Posted By weatherman:
Army tried way back when. Didn't work out.


Much the same when they were tried in Australia.


Australia has a thriving camel population.
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Originally Posted By 9over40:
Disney made a movie about it based loosely on the army's experience. IIIRC Slim Pickens was in it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4fCqbvoxdsQ
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4fCqbvoxdsQ
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Wrong Company Mulberry Square Productions

Hawmps!

Funny movie that didn't take itself seriously. G-Rated to boot.
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From what i understand white man reintroduced horses to America.
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Originally Posted By fla556guy:
wrong climate

only thing a camel does better than a horse is not need to drink as often.

Most of the US.....dehydration isn't a big enough problem to suffer the problems of having camels vs. horses.

Horse has historical ties to USA, so people are more nostalgic about them. (Which is why wild horse slaughter is such a problem, even though we really really need to take a good % of those horses, like 100% of them, off of that land.....there is no such thing as a "wild" horse in the United States....only feral horses.).

From what i understand white man reintroduced horses to America.
What the hell do they teach you kids in school? The Spanish introduced horses to the Americas, they are not native. Damn.

<Old man wonders outside and shouts at sky>
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Aren't there still some running around out there?
Link Posted: 5/3/2015 3:12:38 PM EDT
Because it would serve no purpose and it's usually never a good idea to introduce animals to an ecosystem that they aren't native to. That being said, I spent 4 months at White Sands, NM and watched Oryx, Ibex, Aoudad, and Axis through a spotting scope, and all I could think was how pissed I was about not having my bow. Even tried talking my 1SG into letting me kill one so we could eat something besides MREs, but it was a no-go

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Why didn't it?
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Originally Posted By AquaticSherpa:
Originally Posted By weatherman:
Army tried way back when. Didn't work out.
Why didn't it?


Turns out camels are stubborn assholes.
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My guess is that you don't know very much about camels.
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Why would you introduce a non native species that is not a work or food animal?
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Originally Posted By AquaticSherpa:
Originally Posted By weatherman:
Army tried way back when. Didn't work out.
Why didn't it?

They spooked the horses.

But i'm not talking about for military use.


Why can't we reintroduce them in the wild and maybe for pets? or for desert exploration? Just have to keep them separate from your horses.



Why would you introduce a non native species that is not a work or food animal?

They have them in the Flint Hills area near Ft. Riley.
They eat around 40 lb of brush a day.
They are reclaiming land that was turned to useless brush from poor grazing practices.
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I saw a poll that said 90% of men that tried camels still prefer women.
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There are a few not more then five miles from me. Terry Bison Ranch.
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Originally Posted By Firefinder37:
What the hell do they teach you kids in school? The Spanish introduced horses to the Americas, they are not native. Damn.

<Old man wonders outside and shouts at sky>
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Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:
Originally Posted By fla556guy:
wrong climate

only thing a camel does better than a horse is not need to drink as often.

Most of the US.....dehydration isn't a big enough problem to suffer the problems of having camels vs. horses.

Horse has historical ties to USA, so people are more nostalgic about them. (Which is why wild horse slaughter is such a problem, even though we really really need to take a good % of those horses, like 100% of them, off of that land.....there is no such thing as a "wild" horse in the United States....only feral horses.).

From what i understand white man reintroduced horses to America.
What the hell do they teach you kids in school? The Spanish introduced horses to the Americas, they are not native. Damn.

<Old man wonders outside and shouts at sky>

http://www.livescience.com/9589-surprising-history-america-wild-horses.html
The last prehistoric North American horses died out between 13,000 and 11,000 years ago, at the end of the Pleistocene, but by then Equus had spread to Asia, Europe, and Africa.


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There are a few not more then five miles from me. Terry Bison Ranch.
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They do ok in the WY winters?
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Same reason the hippopotamus didn't go over in Louisiana.
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Originally Posted By Firefinder37:
Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:
Originally Posted By fla556guy:
wrong climate

only thing a camel does better than a horse is not need to drink as often.

Most of the US.....dehydration isn't a big enough problem to suffer the problems of having camels vs. horses.

Horse has historical ties to USA, so people are more nostalgic about them. (Which is why wild horse slaughter is such a problem, even though we really really need to take a good % of those horses, like 100% of them, off of that land.....there is no such thing as a "wild" horse in the United States....only feral horses.).

From what i understand white man reintroduced horses to America.
What the hell do they teach you kids in school? The Spanish introduced horses to the Americas, they are not native. Damn.

<Old man wonders outside and shouts at sky>

http://www.livescience.com/9589-surprising-history-america-wild-horses.html
The last prehistoric North American horses died out between 13,000 and 11,000 years ago, at the end of the Pleistocene, but by then Equus had spread to Asia, Europe, and Africa.


So are we talking modern horses or prehistoric horses? Lots of species roamed the Americas eons ago.
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Originally Posted By Firefinder37:
Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:
Originally Posted By fla556guy:
wrong climate

only thing a camel does better than a horse is not need to drink as often.

Most of the US.....dehydration isn't a big enough problem to suffer the problems of having camels vs. horses.

Horse has historical ties to USA, so people are more nostalgic about them. (Which is why wild horse slaughter is such a problem, even though we really really need to take a good % of those horses, like 100% of them, off of that land.....there is no such thing as a "wild" horse in the United States....only feral horses.).

From what i understand white man reintroduced horses to America.
What the hell do they teach you kids in school? The Spanish introduced horses to the Americas, they are not native. Damn.

<Old man wonders outside and shouts at sky>

http://www.livescience.com/9589-surprising-history-america-wild-horses.html
The last prehistoric North American horses died out between 13,000 and 11,000 years ago, at the end of the Pleistocene, but by then Equus had spread to Asia, Europe, and Africa.




Ok, then how do you justify the cows?
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No need for them.
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They actually did, but the Cajuns found out the hippo made a great sauce piquante...and the rest is history.
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Army tried way back when. Didn't work out.
Why didn't it?

They're absolutely awful animals to deal with.

Only an Arab can appreciate them.
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How do they taste?
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Aren't there still some running around out there?
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Army tried way back when. Didn't work out.


Aren't there still some running around out there?
Nope. None. Not for many years now.
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Why on earth would we want/need camels? We have too many horses as it is.
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It's still illegal to shoot a camel in AZ. Should you ever see a mulie with a hump on it, it's a trap.
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Much the same when they were tried in Australia.
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Army tried way back when. Didn't work out.


Much the same when they were tried in Australia.
O'rly.

Australia is famous for its wildlife - kangaroos, koalas and numerous species of snakes and spiders - but it is also home to the world's largest herd of camels. There are about 750,000 roaming wild in the outback and they cause a host of problems.

Camels were imported to Australia in the 19th century from Arabia, India and Afghanistan for transport and heavy work in the outback.

But when the internal combustion engine came along and they were no longer needed, several thousand were released into the wild.

With no natural predators and vast sparsely-populated areas in which to roam, the camels have flourished and are having a huge impact on the wilderness.

"One of the biggest problems is that they drink large amounts of water. They gulp down gallons at a time and cause millions of pounds worth of damage to farms and waterholes which are used to water stock. They also drink dry waterholes belonging to the Aborigines," says explorer and writer Simon Reeve.

"Camels are almost uniquely brilliant at surviving the conditions in the outback. Introducing them was short-term genius and long-term disaster."

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