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Posted: 12/17/2003 2:52:52 AM EDT
I read that Kofi Anan doesn't want SH tried in Iraq and doesn't want him sentenced to death. This begs the question, "Why?".

My own gut feeling, since Kofi is currently among the elite of the elitists, is that the Iraqi people trying SH and then appropriately disposing of him might give other oppressed people in the world ideas. After all, we can't have the peons getting uppity!

Who could be next? Respected world leaders like Assad, Mugabe, and so forth?

The duplicitous nature of such thinking is truly offensive. The UN turns a blind eye when these "leaders" are butchering their people, but then wants to intervene when there's a chance for real justice?

The only reason I think we should continue to be a member of the UN is the old saying:

Hold your friends close and your enemies closer.
Link Posted: 12/17/2003 2:58:29 AM EDT
Typical leftest crap. He doesn't support anything the US is for and wants to protect the french, germans and russians.
Link Posted: 12/17/2003 3:13:23 AM EDT
perhaps this article which came out today might have some bearing on your question.... [b]The Overthrow Of The American Republic - Part 45[/b] [b][blue]Saddam, Prisoner Of Carlyle Group[/b] By Sherman H. Skolnick SkolnicksReport.com skolnick@ameritech.net 12-16-3 As usual, the Liars and Whores of the Press promote the Big Lie as to the secret team that snatched Saddam Hussein. Some claim the unit was not fully informed, other than they had a high priority target. And there are contentions that the unit, part of the American CIA, came within a few seconds of misguidedly hurling a grenade down into the "spider hole" in which Saddam was kept as a prisoner. Left unsaid by the oil-soaked, spy-riddled monopoly press is that Saddam was being kept as a prisoner buried in a grave-like hole, breathing air through a tube to the surface, rather than the media fairy tale that he was simply hiding. WHY? The reasons for having kept Saddam a prisoner under such circumstrances, and elsewhere kept for some time in captivity, revolve around his huge worldwide properties. Through some of his relatives, and through secret trust accounts and agreements, and through secret bank accounts and other financial intermediaries, Saddam Hussein has been a major stockholder/bond holder, through nominees, front persons, and other ways to conceal ownership, of and in the following, among his other worldwide properties: ===as owner of Daimler-Chrysler, maker of Mercedes Benz car and trucks and through cars and products of Chrysler. Supposedly, if Saddam was not held prisoner as he was for some time prior to be removed from the hole near a farm house, on the outskirts of his home-town of Tikrit, Saddam could come to a meeting of Daimler's Board of Directors and demand to sit down as a duly authorized member of the Board, Saddam being a major owner of the firm. ===Hachette, the foreign firm,owning, among other things, magazines in the U.S. and elsewhere. In the U.S., Saddam's firm owned George Magazine, now defunct, the editor of which was John F. Kennedy, Jr. In 1999, as the son of assassinated President John . Kennedy, Junior was fighting around with magazine owner Hachette which was planning to cease publication of George magazine on or about December, 1999. Junior claimed this would violate his contract and agreement with Hachette. John F. Kennedy, Jr., was secretly intending to use the magazine to publicize at least two otherwise censored stories. (A) As to who-all was complicit in the murder of his father, including the Bush Crime Family, particularly Daddy Bush, the Texas oil tycoons tied to Daddy Bush and then Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson, as well as some owners of the Federal Reserve key unit, the Federal Reserve District Bank of New York. Just prior to being assassinated, President Kennedy issued an Executive Order, under a little-known provision, authorizing him to issue hundreds of millions of dollars of genuine U.S. paper money, principally two-dollar bills, in opposition to the Federal Reserve private paper money masquerading as "the U.S. Dollar".[More details in Part 42 of this website series, sub-titled "The Public Execution of John F. Kennedy". And, as archived through MAIN PAGE, left-hand side of same CLICK on COLUMNISTS Sherman Skolnick at www.rense.com ] And further, (B) For JFK, Jr., planning to use George Magazine to publicize, as he knew, the treasonous arrangements of Daddy Bush with Saddam Hussein. Junior was threatening, to keep Hachette from suspending publication of George Magazine, to publicize Daddy Bush's private business partner, Saddam, as a major owner of Hachette. Also, to expose the long-time trickery and game-playing by Saddam by, for, and with the American CIA and Daddy Bush and his various business pals including Carlyle Group. The monopoly press, [b]belatedly ran a story of Saddam's more than 40 year role with the American CIA[/b]. United Press International, UPI. AFTER the U.S. as a pre-emptive strike, not by a Declaration of War, invaded Iraq, ran a story of the secret role of Saddam with the American CIA. The UPI story, April 10, 2003, had an opening statement in a detailed article [b]"U.S. forces in Baghdad might now be searching high and low for Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, but in the past Saddam was seen by U.S. intelligence services as a bulwark of anti-communism and they used him as their instrument for more than 40 years, according to former U.S. intelligence diplomats and intelligence officials." UPI goes on to point out that Saddam, at a very young age, was made by CIA, a part of an assassination team in 1959, trying to murder the Iraqi Monarch running the country[/b]. Saddam, apparently incompetent to do so, failed.[/blue] part 2 below
Link Posted: 12/17/2003 3:13:54 AM EDT
[blue]Also, visit our website story "The Secrets of Timothy McVeigh", where we point out the secret private business partnership in the [b]billions of dollars between Daddy Bush and Saddam Hussein[/b], as shown by suppressed records of a Chicago unit of an Italian bank owned in part by the Vatican. It became the subject of a Chicago Federal Court lawsuit where we were the only journalists attending a key hearing in the litigation and in the back of the courtroom we interviewed participants. As to the murder of JFK, Jr., by a sabotaged airplane, visit our website series, "What Happened to America's Golden Boy". The series has the substance of a secret FBI report of what happened. Also, in the series, the aborted attempt, one week apart in July, 1999, to first assassinate Vice President Albert Gore, Jr., intending to be a candidate for President, and then succeeding in murdering John F. Kennedy, Jr., who was himself secretly planning to be a candidate for President in the year 2000. ===ownership by Saddam of Fairchild Missiles, of italy. ===ownersip by Saddam of Matra, the Paris-based firm operating, by satellite, among other things, the "People Mover" System at O'Hare International Airport, Chicago,a light railway transporting passengers and baggage between the airport terminals and the airplanes. Hey, with Saddam owning this system, what is all this talk about "terrorists" at airports? So, Saddam Hussein was being kept as a prisoner in a grave-like hole, called by a top U.S. Military Officer as a "spider hole", where Saddam himself could NOT get out. Saddam Hussein was being kept as a prisoner by surrogates, including Saddam's relatives as CIA contract employees, for CARLYLE GROUP. Carlyle is run by by a group of top level stooges for the American/British aristocracy, including a former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, a former top official of the American CIA, Daddy Bush, and others jointly with Saudi Royals. Carlyle is a sinister worldwide operation to take over war production firms, among others and reportedly by corruption, squeeze war contracts out of the Pentagon. Among other things, Carlyle reportedly owns in great part a sinister manufacturer of anthrax vaccine---Are THEY the cause in part of strange illnesses and deaths among U.S. Military? Visit Part Three of the Overthrow series, subtitled "The Anthrax Commissars". Also, there have been many stories elsewhere about Carlyle. Visit search engine www.google.com By holding Saddam Hussein as a prisoner for many months before he was removed from the grave-like hole he was kept in(somewhat similar to a Viet Cong "tiger cage" for humans), and in other places where he was kept captive, Carlyle Group was determined to force Saddam somehow to divulge his portion of at least a two-part series of codes into Saddam's vast ownership of worldwide properties. The other half of the secret codes has been kept by Saddam's half-brother who resided in Switzerland. That relative, according to European sources, made public statements in the 1990s, that were Saddam to be harmed or assassinated by the American CIA, that the relative would release secret records of the Bush Crime Family's treason, requiring that they be subject to criminal prosecution, as shown by their worldwide 25 secret accounts. Late in the 1990s, that relative's great bunch of documents fell into our possession. We began posting them early in 2000, ON-LINE as attached to our website series "Greenspan Aids and Bribes Bush".The records are in two parts. First, there are the hand-written notes of the head of the Internal Affairs Division of the U.S. Treasury, analyzing with codes the Bush Crime Family's secret 25 worldwide accounts. Then there are the secret Federal Reserve wire transfer records, under the secret code of Alan Greenspan, Fed Commissar, showing the worldwide accounts of the Bush Crime Family. One document shows the Bush Crime Family with their joint account with Queen Elizabeth II, of ONE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS, in HER private bank, Coutts Bank London. Part of that sum belongs to Saddam Hussein. There are related documents in our website series. Also, the Hundred Billion Dollar document is archived through www.cloakanddagger.ca the website of a radio program where I am a regular participant. In the Financial Times of London, December 19, 2001, is a story how Queen Elizabeth II ordered the head of her bank to go and become an official of Carlyle Group. Thus, the secret codes of the vast ownership of Saddam's worldwide properties are divided in at the minimum, two parts, One, with Saddam's half-brother, the other with Saddam himself. Shortly after the U.S. without resistance captured Baghdad (the top Iraqi military were bribed by the American CIA and the Iraqis and their families taken to safety and profitable refuge in the U.S.), Saddam's half-brother mysteriously showed up in Baghdad where he was seized by the American CIA and put into captivity. The sinister, war-mongering, worldwide octopus, Carlyle Group, has been in the process of keeping Saddam as a prisoner, in a grave-long hole and elsewhere. To facilitate surveillance of Saddam's captivity by satellite imaging, a orange and white taxicab was parked, for example, nearby to the "spider hole" at the ramshackle farm house. Will Carlyle Group succeed in extracting, from Saddam, his part of the secret codes to unlock the details of his worldwide properties, so they can reportedly be stolen by the Bush Crime family jointly with the Carlyle Group? Acting as a "terrorist" stooge for the Carlyle Group/Bush Crime Family/Saudi Royal Family Bankers/American CIA, has been Osama bin Laden, originally an inhabitant of Saudi. Convenient to this adjunct nest of the American/British aristocracy is the mass media and their accusation, repeatedly using the word "terrorist", of "Osama did it!" This, as an excuse to cancel the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights (as outlined in this website series). WILL THE CARLYLE GROUP GET ALL THE SECRET CODES of Saddam's worldwide properties? Naive and foolish folks repeatedly heckle us why we do not make these details "available" to the mass media. To state an answer bluntly if not crudely, we try to be polite in responding to assholes. Evidently, we sometimes do not succeed. Plainly said, the monopoly press has dumbed down America. More coming. Stay tuned.[/blue] then again maybe not..... Mike
Link Posted: 12/17/2003 3:49:08 AM EDT
that would set a dangerous precedent of having shithead dictators become accountable directly to the people the torture. We couldn't have that now could we? mike
Link Posted: 12/17/2003 3:54:33 AM EDT
Believe it or not....The world still feel sorry for SH. Remember the UN did not support the war in Iraq and to try Saddam in Iraq means a sure death sentence. The world court on the other hand does not support the death sentence. As for me, a murderer and a tyrant should face its own fate and judged by his own people.
Link Posted: 12/17/2003 4:20:44 AM EDT
Why? It's called a NOOSE!!!
Link Posted: 12/17/2003 4:42:03 AM EDT
I think the answer is that the US and GWB can control a trial in IRAQ, a trial run by a US installed government. Behind the scenes, GWB and the CIA can control what information is admitted into the trial. If the UN holds the trial, sensitive information regarding US interests might be made public. The same could be said for sensitive German and/or French information being made public in a UN trial. However, since these pathetic, once great nations of cowards control Kofi Annan and the UN, their sensitive info would not be made public in trial. Only information that might damage the United States' standing in the world community would be admissable in a UN trial. A trial in Iraq is definitely in the United States favor, both symbolically as a testament to Iraq's ability to govern itself, and another way to further relegate the UN to meaninglessness. There is some truth to the "ultimate penalty" possibility in Iraq. The Nuremburg Trials saw many Nazis executed for their war crimes. But the French and English were getting their revenge. The French in particular have nothing to gain by putting SH to death. In fact, the French are so pro-Muslim and pro-Arab that their citizens overwhelmingly would support light sentencing for SH. No matter, though. SH will not be put to death in a worldwide spectacle. He will die in prison.
Link Posted: 12/17/2003 5:25:19 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/17/2003 6:09:32 AM EDT
Because he cannot manipulate the situation if the trial is in Iraq. The best reason I heard for having the trial in Iraq is simply this, Saddam Hussein's main victim over the 3-4 decades of his time in power has been the nation of Iraq. He has dragged Iraq into three brutal wars, he has killed hundreds of thousands of his own people and virtually enslaved millions more. The victims of Saddam Hussein deserve to see justice, and not justice done by foreigners on their behalf either, but justice done in an Iraqi court, presided over by Iraqi judges and sentences carried out by Iraqi executioners. Anan also says he won't support any justice proceeding against Saddam that includes the death penalty as a potential punishment. Anan and the UN have gotten into the habit of thinking they actually have some sort of authority and sovereignty on an international level, that their wishes and desires actually take precedence over the sovereign laws and needs of member nations. GWB is disabusing them of that notion. Saddam should get tried in an Iraqi court, by Iraqis. Otherwise any trial will lack any credability.
Link Posted: 12/17/2003 6:31:14 AM EDT
I think we should invite his surviving victims and their families to a soccer stadium, then turn him loose in the middle of the crowd. Seems pretty simple.
Link Posted: 12/17/2003 7:40:04 AM EDT
If Saddam is convicted of murder under Muslim law, he will have his head chopped off in public.
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