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Posted: 9/5/2004 4:08:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/5/2004 4:09:32 PM EST by Sub-MOA]
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By Rajeev Syal
(Filed: 05/09/2004)
An extremist Islamic cleric based in Britain said yesterday that he would support hostage-taking at British schools if carried out by terrorists with a just cause.

Omar Bakri Mohammed, the spiritual leader of the extremist sect al-Muhajiroun, said that holding women and children hostage would be a reasonable course of action for a Muslim who has suffered under British rule.

In an interview with The Sunday Telegraph, Mr Mohammed said: "If an Iraqi Muslim carried out an attack like that in Britain, it would be justified because Britain has carried out acts of terrorism in Iraq.

"As long as the Iraqi did not deliberately kill women and children, and they were killed in the crossfire, that would be okay."

Mr Mohammed, 44, who lives in Edmonton, north London, but is originally from Syria, also claimed that the Chechen rebels were not responsible for the deaths of more than 350 people - at least half of them children - who are so far known to have died in Beslan.

"The Mujahideen [Chechen rebels] would not have wanted to kill those people, because it is strictly forbidden as a Muslim to deliberately kill women and children. It is the fault of the Russians," he said.

The father of seven came to Britain in 1985 after being deported from Saudi Arabia because of his membership of a banned group. He has since been given leave by the Home Office to remain in Britain for five years but the Government is reviewing his status.

He gave an interview yesterday to promote a "celebratory" conference in London next Saturday to commemorate the third anniversary of the September 11 attacks.

Andrew Dismore, the Labour MP for Hendon, was infuriated by Mr Mohammed's comments. "That sounds to me like incitement and I will report him to Scotland Yard," he said. "It is an insult to most moderate Muslims, who are sick of people like this claiming to represent them."


Link Posted: 9/5/2004 4:09:17 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 4:09:50 PM EST
Dupe.
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 4:12:03 PM EST


What I find COMPLETELY FUCKING BIZARRE is that it seems that he was thrown out of Saudi Arabia for being an extremist muslim.

Saudi Arabia - the home of Bin Laden and most of the guys who killed 3000 innocent people!! And he was too extreme to be allowed to live there - and the Brits let him live in England !?!?! WTF, Over?


Why the hell wasn't this guy living in a cave in Afghanistan, or an igloo on antrarctica or something??
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 4:13:42 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/5/2004 4:14:30 PM EST by cyanide]

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
Dupe.

May be but --

This kind of guy needs a laser guided bomb dropped on him ( or well placed sniper shot)-- do we as a country have the gumption to do this stuff -- I pray we do or get it soon.
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 4:14:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
Dupe.



new to me... sorry. pissed me off so bad I needed to vent a little.
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 4:14:46 PM EST

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

What I find COMPLETELY FUCKING BIZARRE is that it seems that he was thrown out of Saudi Arabia for being an extremist muslim.

Saudi Arabia - the home of Bin Laden and most of the guys who killed 3000 innocent people!! And he was too extreme to be allowed to live there - and the Brits let him live in England !?!?! WTF, Over?


Why the hell wasn't this guy living in a cave in Afghanistan, or an igloo on antrarctica or something??



Britain has freedom of speech. Fraudi Arabia does not.

I am surprised no one has taken care of it unofficially.
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 4:15:31 PM EST

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
Dupe.

May be but --

This kind of guy needs a laser guided bomb dropped on him ( or well placed sniper shot)-- do we as a country have the gumption to do this stuff -- I pray we do or get it soon.



A bomb is too good for em.
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 4:19:03 PM EST

"It is an insult to most moderate Muslims, who are sick of people like this claiming to represent them."



"Most moderate muslims"?????

Is that like "Most vegetarian Great White sharks"?????

If they really are "sick of people like this claiming to represent them", then they sure are being QUIET about it. I've been checking the local news, and they have not reported any "Not in my name" demonstrations by the local followers of the "religion of peace". I guess they are so sick they can't talk.
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 4:21:07 PM EST
Freedom of speach works both ways.
Where is the outrage from the British citizens ?
I don't mean that there is no outrage but where's the demonstrations, the marches, the demands to deport this pig ?
We're the same way here in the U.S.
The fucking socialists plan rallys and marches for every pet cause they have, why doesn't the other side do the same ?
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 4:22:32 PM EST

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
Dupe.

May be but --

This kind of guy needs a laser guided bomb dropped on him ( or well placed sniper shot)-- do we as a country have the gumption to do this stuff -- I pray we do or get it soon.


Agreed many times over.
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 4:22:46 PM EST

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

What I find COMPLETELY FUCKING BIZARRE is that it seems that he was thrown out of Saudi Arabia for being an extremist muslim.

Saudi Arabia - the home of Bin Laden and most of the guys who killed 3000 innocent people!! And he was too extreme to be allowed to live there - and the Brits let him live in England !?!?! WTF, Over?


Why the hell wasn't this guy living in a cave in Afghanistan, or an igloo on antrarctica or something??



I think that he is of more use to the British where they can observe him and see who associates with him.
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 4:23:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By Sub-MOA:
LINK


By Rajeev Syal
(Filed: 05/09/2004)
An extremist Islamic cleric based in Britain said yesterday that he would support hostage-taking at British schools if carried out by terrorists with a just cause.

Omar Bakri Mohammed, the spiritual leader of the extremist sect al-Muhajiroun, said that holding women and children hostage would be a reasonable course of action for a Muslim who has suffered under British rule.

In an interview with The Sunday Telegraph, Mr Mohammed said: "If an Iraqi Muslim carried out an attack like that in Britain, it would be justified because Britain has carried out acts of terrorism in Iraq.

"As long as the Iraqi did not deliberately kill women and children, and they were killed in the crossfire, that would be okay."

Mr Mohammed, 44, who lives in Edmonton, north London, but is originally from Syria, also claimed that the Chechen rebels were not responsible for the deaths of more than 350 people - at least half of them children - who are so far known to have died in Beslan.

"The Mujahideen [Chechen rebels] would not have wanted to kill those people, because it is strictly forbidden as a Muslim to deliberately kill women and children. It is the fault of the Russians," he said.

The father of seven came to Britain in 1985 after being deported from Saudi Arabia because of his membership of a banned group. He has since been given leave by the Home Office to remain in Britain for five years but the Government is reviewing his status.

He gave an interview yesterday to promote a "celebratory" conference in London next Saturday to commemorate the third anniversary of the September 11 attacks.

Andrew Dismore, the Labour MP for Hendon, was infuriated by Mr Mohammed's comments. "That sounds to me like incitement and I will report him to Scotland Yard," he said. "It is an insult to most moderate Muslims, who are sick of people like this claiming to represent them."





Dupe
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 4:25:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/5/2004 4:26:54 PM EST by Sub-MOA]

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
Freedom of speach works both ways.
Where is the outrage from the British citizens ?
I don't mean that there is no outrage but where's the demonstrations, the marches, the demands to deport this pig ?
We're the same way here in the U.S.
The fucking socialists plan rallys and marches for every pet cause they have, why doesn't the other side do the same ?



Quite a bit of difference between rationalizing(soliciting?) the murder of children and a political rally. If you can't see it, you have some problems...
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 4:29:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/5/2004 4:30:10 PM EST by Sub-MOA]
My fave quote from it


"The Mujahideen [Chechen rebels] would not have wanted to kill those people, because it is strictly forbidden as a Muslim to deliberately kill women and children. It is the fault of the Russians," he said.


This sounds remarkably similar to some DU posts I've seen.
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 4:33:36 PM EST

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

What I find COMPLETELY FUCKING BIZARRE is that it seems that he was thrown out of Saudi Arabia for being an extremist muslim.

Saudi Arabia - the home of Bin Laden and most of the guys who killed 3000 innocent people!! And he was too extreme to be allowed to live there - and the Brits let him live in England !?!?! WTF, Over?


Why the hell wasn't this guy living in a cave in Afghanistan, or an igloo on antrarctica or something??



A banned group could mean a group that opposed the royal family or something.

If this guy is suffering under British rule and doesn't like their policies, why doesn't he get the fuck out of the country??
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 4:59:09 PM EST
Well, gee, where are our Muslim apologists? Why aren't they on this thread to explain this away as us being thick skulled boneheads and that this is not really Islam, blah, blah, blah.
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 5:03:14 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 5:06:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By Sub-MOA:

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
Freedom of speach works both ways.
Where is the outrage from the British citizens ?
I don't mean that there is no outrage but where's the demonstrations, the marches, the demands to deport this pig ?
We're the same way here in the U.S.
The fucking socialists plan rallys and marches for every pet cause they have, why doesn't the other side do the same ?



Quite a bit of difference between rationalizing(soliciting?) the murder of children and a political rally. If you can't see it, you have some problems...



Huh
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 6:33:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:

Originally Posted By Sub-MOA:

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
Freedom of speach works both ways.
Where is the outrage from the British citizens ?
I don't mean that there is no outrage but where's the demonstrations, the marches, the demands to deport this pig ?
We're the same way here in the U.S.
The fucking socialists plan rallys and marches for every pet cause they have, why doesn't the other side do the same ?



Quite a bit of difference between rationalizing(soliciting?) the murder of children and a political rally. If you can't see it, you have some problems...



Huh

Double huh. WTF?????????????
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 6:39:35 PM EST
he wont live long
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 7:38:47 PM EST
Doesn't stand a chance
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 7:54:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/5/2004 8:40:27 PM EST by Dave_A]

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

What I find COMPLETELY FUCKING BIZARRE is that it seems that he was thrown out of Saudi Arabia for being an extremist muslim.

Saudi Arabia - the home of Bin Laden and most of the guys who killed 3000 innocent people!! And he was too extreme to be allowed to live there - and the Brits let him live in England !?!?! WTF, Over?


Why the hell wasn't this guy living in a cave in Afghanistan, or an igloo on antrarctica or something??



They kicked OBL out too...

Remember: they want their radicals throwing themselves against OUR guns, not theirs...

The whole point of this isn't iIslam, it's a bunch of middle eastern govts dumping their garbage into other nations, so they don't have to clean it up...

The point is to distract them and make them attack US instead of their home nations...

As I've said before: These governments, our ostensable 'allies' are leaving a flaming bag of revolutionary dogshit on our doorstep...

It's high time the US Army return it to the palace that sent it our way...

'License to govern revoked.

Cause: Pissing off the USA'

Now, meet your people, they're very happy to see you (or your head, anyway, we'll provide the platter)....
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 9:12:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

What I find COMPLETELY FUCKING BIZARRE is that it seems that he was thrown out of Saudi Arabia for being an extremist muslim.

Saudi Arabia - the home of Bin Laden and most of the guys who killed 3000 innocent people!! And he was too extreme to be allowed to live there - and the Brits let him live in England !?!?! WTF, Over?


Why the hell wasn't this guy living in a cave in Afghanistan, or an igloo on antrarctica or something??



They kicked OBL out too...

Remember: they want their radicals throwing themselves against OUR guns, not theirs...

The whole point of this isn't iIslam, it's a bunch of middle eastern govts dumping their garbage into other nations, so they don't have to clean it up...

The point is to distract them and make them attack US instead of their home nations...

As I've said before: These governments, our ostensable 'allies' are leaving a flaming bag of revolutionary dogshit on our doorstep...

It's high time the US Army return it to the palace that sent it our way...

'License to govern revoked.

Cause: Pissing off the USA'

Now, meet your people, they're very happy to see you (or your head, anyway, we'll provide the platter)....

Of course it isn't about Islam.
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 9:15:59 PM EST
Just fly him back home - only don't bother to land when you drop him off.
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 9:42:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/5/2004 9:43:22 PM EST by The_Macallan]

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
Freedom of speach works both ways.
Where is the outrage from the British citizens ?
I don't mean that there is no outrage but where's the demonstrations, the marches, the demands to deport this pig ?
We're the same way here in the U.S.
The fucking socialists plan rallys and marches for every pet cause they have, why doesn't the other side do the same ?

Tell ya' what mon - if any moslem "cleric" ever spouted off some shit like that in this town, you and me and a bunch of other AZ Arfcomers would hit the streets and tear that fucker out in no time!


Link Posted: 9/6/2004 5:57:26 AM EST

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:

Originally Posted By Sub-MOA:

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
Freedom of speach works both ways.
Where is the outrage from the British citizens ?
I don't mean that there is no outrage but where's the demonstrations, the marches, the demands to deport this pig ?
We're the same way here in the U.S.
The fucking socialists plan rallys and marches for every pet cause they have, why doesn't the other side do the same ?



Quite a bit of difference between rationalizing(soliciting?) the murder of children and a political rally. If you can't see it, you have some problems...



Huh



sorry, I was posting in another thread on anouther forum and this got cross posted after reading the first line in your post.

Believe it or not, some folks see this turkey as just another activist (like Mike Moore)
Link Posted: 9/6/2004 7:21:14 AM EST
But the British citizens have been disarmed.
Link Posted: 9/6/2004 7:25:27 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/6/2004 7:36:17 AM EST

Originally Posted By rn45:
I think that he is of more use to the British where they can observe him and see who associates with him.



Hypothetically, in another time and place:

me: "Why not just snatch that guy up?"

Other: "We can do that any time. And if he leaves the house we just might. But right now lets just ID everyone who goes in or out, follow them, and ID everyone they associate with."
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