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Posted: 12/14/2009 11:35:36 AM EDT
most are K-9's around here.
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Posted: 12/14/2009 11:37:02 AM EDT
K-9s and/or rough weather/terrain usage.
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Posted: 12/14/2009 11:39:08 AM EDT
What makes you think they give a shit about taxpayers' money? There's always more.
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Posted: 12/14/2009 11:39:12 AM EDT
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K-9s and/or rough weather/terrain usage. K-9 is understandable as is rough terrain. Something else I just thought about it that the SUVs are more heavy duty in their suspensions and tranny and may last a lot longer than a sedan. |
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Posted: 12/14/2009 11:40:18 AM EDT
In my town right now it's snow.
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Posted: 12/14/2009 11:40:31 AM EDT
Because they have more room for the officer and all of his gear.
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Posted: 12/14/2009 11:40:33 AM EDT
In ALOT of towns, the guys in the SUVs are carrying more gear that hopefully you can't see. TruckVault FTW here.
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Posted: 12/14/2009 11:42:01 AM EDT
because they aren't paying for the gas. You are.
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Posted: 12/14/2009 11:42:14 AM EDT
Quoted: What makes you think they give a shit about taxpayers' money? There's always more. This. They have budgets to use up. |
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Posted: 12/14/2009 11:42:40 AM EDT
The V-8 cars that are driven by most police are not really more fuel efficient than an SUV in most cases. I know my local PD did a recent study and chose to go with Chevy Tahoe's to replace their Crown Vics that were being phased out. The Tahoe get's the same milage as their Crown Vics. You have to remember, there is a lot of heavy equipment that goes into a police cruiser and that pulls the gas milage rating down a bit.
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Posted: 12/14/2009 11:42:46 AM EDT
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What makes you think they give a shit about taxpayers' money? There's always more. Smaller vehicles are just that smaller. You can barely put a person in the back seat. The officer is cramped in the front seat. The trunk areas are small and not enough room for all the gear an officer typically carries. |
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Posted: 12/14/2009 11:42:52 AM EDT
Maybe the firefighters can drive priuses because they are fuel efficient, too.
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Posted: 12/14/2009 11:42:53 AM EDT
Around here K9 and SWAT.
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Posted: 12/14/2009 11:43:45 AM EDT
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because they aren't paying for the gas. You are. I don't have taxes deducted from my check? |
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Posted: 12/14/2009 11:44:13 AM EDT
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What makes you think they give a shit about taxpayers' money? There's always more. This. They have budgets to use up. Yup. Use it or lose it! |
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Posted: 12/14/2009 11:44:14 AM EDT
Quoted: In ALOT of towns, the guys in the SUVs are carrying more gear that hopefully you can't see. TruckVault FTW here. If your town is small enough that your 'SWAT Team' and/or 'Bomb Squad' are a couple guys with extra training & extra gear in their car, who have to do 'normal cop' stuff every day unless they're called... Putting those dudes in an SUV (so they can have their 'go time' stuff locked up in the back of the truck) makes sense... |
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Posted: 12/14/2009 11:44:33 AM EDT
Normal patrol officers pack a Crown Vic to the limits, add on all the crap a SWAT guy needs and a Tahoe or Expedition's a very attractive choice.
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Posted: 12/14/2009 11:45:02 AM EDT
The Explorer actually gets about the same mileage as a Crown Vic or Maquis, so any departments that transitioned from those sedans to SUV's wouldn't have had much to debate about regarding mileage. Obviously not the case for Impalas etc.
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Posted: 12/14/2009 11:45:17 AM EDT
They also hold up better than small cars for cops. My impalla is teeny tiny in the drivers compartment and the suspects compartment. I wish i had more room to move around, store my gear ect.
Also, like somebody said, you get rough terrain even in the city. I drive over curbs all day to get my car out of the street and into the median on traffic accidents, to get through parks and fields so my car is close to multiple suspects that i may need to detain and not have to walk one at a time back to my car, ect. |
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Posted: 12/14/2009 11:46:13 AM EDT
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The Explorer actually gets about the same mileage as a Crown Vic or Maquis, so any departments that transitioned from those sedans to SUV's wouldn't have had much to debate about regarding mileage. Obviously not the case for Impalas etc. My Impala get's about 14 miles to the gallon. They suck for patrol use. |
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Posted: 12/14/2009 11:48:42 AM EDT
there are pros and cons to everything.
SUV will sit higher and give better visibility and hold more gear. sedans are faster and handle better for high speed pursuits. and achieve a bit more "stealth" when on the road. as far as lasting longer, the SUV's are not that much more durable, they tend to get abused more because they are trucks. |
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Posted: 12/14/2009 11:49:59 AM EDT
Quoted: Quoted: The Explorer actually gets about the same mileage as a Crown Vic or Maquis, so any departments that transitioned from those sedans to SUV's wouldn't have had much to debate about regarding mileage. Obviously not the case for Impalas etc. My Impala get's about 14 miles to the gallon. They suck for patrol use. That won't stop the haters from bitching about switching to SUV's though.  Quoted: Maybe the firefighters can drive priuses because they are fuel efficient, too. I think my Truck gets 4-6 mpg depending on who's driving.  |
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Posted: 12/14/2009 11:51:18 AM EDT
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The Explorer actually gets about the same mileage as a Crown Vic or Maquis, so any departments that transitioned from those sedans to SUV's wouldn't have had much to debate about regarding mileage. Obviously not the case for Impalas etc. My Impala get's about 14 miles to the gallon. They suck for patrol use. Damn, I thought those got much better mileage. All that gear dragging down the MPG? |
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Posted: 12/14/2009 11:53:42 AM EDT
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Maybe the firefighters can drive priuses because they are fuel efficient, too. Scion Xbs for ambulances. |
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Posted: 12/14/2009 11:56:21 AM EDT
I got to ride in the back of one of those SUVs; there was no room. I had to sort of sit sideways.
I'd hate to be one of three or four guys locked up in the back of one. the front seat had no room, after the laptop &c was in there. |
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Posted: 12/14/2009 11:56:30 AM EDT
They're probably getting a deal from Ford/Chevy. For a while there they couldn't hardly give SUV's away.
That, and with all the gear they load their cars down with, the MPG probably isn't any worse between an SUV and a V-8 full sized car. Add in the ability to have 4WD for the northern climates or those depts whose territory covers a lot of dirt and gravel roads.....seems plausible. |
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Posted: 12/14/2009 11:58:10 AM EDT
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Around my town and others I am seeing more and more police officers using Ford Explorers, Yukons, etc. instead of Impalas, Chargers, and other more fuel efficient sedans. You are assuming the sedans are more fuel efficient. I love my Charger...but it gets 16 MPG in city driving. The big SUV's get the same mileage but have more room...and given that cops are issued ungodly amounts of gear that they are supposed to keep accessible in the vehicle more storage space is required. You also need to figure in some regs. In Virginia Governor Dimwit made a rule that all newly purchased state vehicles had to be capable of flex fuel or alternative fuels useage (with some exceptions)...which limited the number of options state agencies had to choose from to some SUV's that were flex-fuel capable. |
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Posted: 12/14/2009 12:00:14 PM EDT
so how are they in high speed chases? |
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Posted: 12/14/2009 12:03:11 PM EDT
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What makes you think they give a shit about taxpayers' money? There's always more. this!!!!!!!!!!!!1 
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Posted: 12/14/2009 12:04:16 PM EDT
My brother's agency did a study that showed in the long run through fuel and maintenance costs, the Tahoes were going to cost them a couple hundred bucks a year less to operate. Plus throw in the benefit of carrying all the extra shit like traffic cones, a box of flares, extra ammo, rain jacket, evidence kits, blah blah... The spare room is great.
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Posted: 12/14/2009 12:05:12 PM EDT
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The V-8 cars that are driven by most police are not really more fuel efficient than an SUV in most cases. I know my local PD did a recent study and chose to go with Chevy Tahoe's to replace their Crown Vics that were being phased out. The Tahoe get's the same milage as their Crown Vics. You have to remember, there is a lot of heavy equipment that goes into a police cruiser and that pulls the gas milage rating down a bit. Yeah, a lead fucking foot. Look, sometimes I realize they simply have to go, right fucking now. but the whole cruise around town and floor it off the green light each and every time is clearly "well, it's not my gas". |
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Posted: 12/14/2009 12:07:19 PM EDT
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In ALOT of towns, the guys in the SUVs are carrying more gear that hopefully you can't see. TruckVault FTW here. If your town is small enough that your 'SWAT Team' and/or 'Bomb Squad' are a couple guys with extra training & extra gear in their car, who have to do 'normal cop' stuff every day unless they're called... Putting those dudes in an SUV (so they can have their 'go time' stuff locked up in the back of the truck) makes sense... or maybe ............ your town doesn't really need a SWAT team at all, except for ego building, etc. nah, that would save money, can't have that. |
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Posted: 12/14/2009 12:07:40 PM EDT
Many great responses guys!
I feel less inclined to be bitter when I see this occurring now as I didn't know all the stuff they have to carry to do their job.
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Posted: 12/14/2009 12:08:30 PM EDT
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Maybe the firefighters can drive priuses because they are fuel efficient, too. Scion Xbs for ambulances. Only if you represent the lollipop guild... |
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Posted: 12/14/2009 12:08:54 PM EDT
Better visibility - both for the officer and the public. I don't know about you, but I like seeing police cars. I don't like the discreet patrol cars that some agencies use (like the CHP, all white crown vics with light bars inside instead of on top) just so they can write more tickets more easily.
More cargo capacity 4x4 - it is winter after all Going up/down curbs is less destructive to the vehicle And Tahoes get pretty similar gas mileage to crown vics, from what I hear. |
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Posted: 12/14/2009 12:09:58 PM EDT
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Because they have more room for the officer and all of his gear. One cop doesn't need an suv to carry his gear that's ludicrous. The average street patrol cop does not need an suv. When my dad was a cop a crown vic could carry plenty. |
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Posted: 12/14/2009 12:10:08 PM EDT
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In ALOT of towns, the guys in the SUVs are carrying more gear that hopefully you can't see. TruckVault FTW here. If your town is small enough that your 'SWAT Team' and/or 'Bomb Squad' are a couple guys with extra training & extra gear in their car, who have to do 'normal cop' stuff every day unless they're called... Putting those dudes in an SUV (so they can have their 'go time' stuff locked up in the back of the truck) makes sense... or maybe ............ your town doesn't really need a SWAT team at all, except for ego building, etc. nah, that would save money, can't have that. Doesn't NEED swat? WTF are you smoking. Ever heard of John Joe Gray? |
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Posted: 12/14/2009 12:10:20 PM EDT
where I last worked they were for supervisors and sgts.
k9 got the oldest POS car |
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Posted: 12/14/2009 12:10:59 PM EDT
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Maybe the firefighters can drive priuses because they are fuel efficient, too. Scion Xbs for ambulances. Only if you represent the lollipop guild... wat u talkin bout willis? it's all ego brotha, they don't need those big fire trucks or ambulances. 
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Posted: 12/14/2009 12:11:34 PM EDT
Police on the island (Padre Island, Corpus Christi) here mostly drive Ford F150s.
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Posted: 12/14/2009 12:12:33 PM EDT
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eah, a lead fucking foot. Look, sometimes I realize they simply have to go, right fucking now. but the whole cruise around town and floor it off the green light each and every time is clearly "well, it's not my gas". I don't see that happening very often. |
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Posted: 12/14/2009 12:12:34 PM EDT
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Because they have more room for the officer and all of his gear. One cop doesn't need an suv to carry his gear that's ludicrous. The average street patrol cop does not need an suv. When my dad was a cop a crown vic could carry plenty. Cause it was how they did it 30 years ago that's how they should do it now? 
My Grandpa rode in a soft top Willy's jeep in WWII, and we won that war, so should we run those over in Iraq too? |
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Posted: 12/14/2009 12:14:34 PM EDT
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Because they have more room for the officer and all of his gear. One cop doesn't need an suv to carry his gear that's ludicrous. The average street patrol cop does not need an suv. When my dad was a cop a crown vic could carry plenty. Cause it was how they did it 30 years ago that's how they should do it now?
My Grandpa rode in a soft top Willy's jeep in WWII, and we won that war, so should we run those over in Iraq too?  +1
some people live in their own little goofy world..... |
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Posted: 12/14/2009 12:15:17 PM EDT
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In ALOT of towns, the guys in the SUVs are carrying more gear that hopefully you can't see. TruckVault FTW here. If your town is small enough that your 'SWAT Team' and/or 'Bomb Squad' are a couple guys with extra training & extra gear in their car, who have to do 'normal cop' stuff every day unless they're called... Putting those dudes in an SUV (so they can have their 'go time' stuff locked up in the back of the truck) makes sense... or maybe ............ your town doesn't really need a SWAT team at all, except for ego building, etc. nah, that would save money, can't have that. When it's your kid in the school that's being held hostage, would you rather have a professional SWAT team or a Officer Joe Blow who barely knows what end the bullet comes out of handling the situation? You want them showing up on scene without the right gear cause it wouldn't fit in the car? Or a clusterfuck of a trunk full of gear where they can't find what they need quickly? |
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Posted: 12/14/2009 12:16:21 PM EDT
Here in NYC, they have very strict rules about vehicle pursuits. (Basically, they're a no-go.)
With that in mind, the city should just see about a sweet-heart deal for a Prius fleet. Shit... the traffic guys already use them.
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Posted: 12/14/2009 12:16:52 PM EDT
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In ALOT of towns, the guys in the SUVs are carrying more gear that hopefully you can't see. TruckVault FTW here. If your town is small enough that your 'SWAT Team' and/or 'Bomb Squad' are a couple guys with extra training & extra gear in their car, who have to do 'normal cop' stuff every day unless they're called... Putting those dudes in an SUV (so they can have their 'go time' stuff locked up in the back of the truck) makes sense... or maybe ............ your town doesn't really need a SWAT team at all, except for ego building, etc. nah, that would save money, can't have that. Much as I am usually on the other side I must say I'd rather a town have some swat trained officers and never need them in that roll than they not have them and we need them. As long as they are not sitting on their asses all day collecting a check they don't cost much more than a regular officer and the extra capacity is welcome. |
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Posted: 12/14/2009 12:20:19 PM EDT
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there are pros and cons to everything. SUV will sit higher and give better visibility and hold more gear. sedans are faster and handle better for high speed pursuits. and achieve a bit more "stealth" when on the road. as far as lasting longer, the SUV's are not that much more durable, they tend to get abused more because they are trucks. PPV Tahoes are faster, and will go through the curvy stuff better than a CVPI |
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Posted: 12/14/2009 12:25:35 PM EDT
Less chance of injury to the officer when they wad their patrol vehicle up. I heard from a sergeant that one department in my area assumes an officer is going to have an accident that causes some significant damage to the car every 7 years or so if he's driving most of the shift.
Let's say you're a police officer and you get a call that Dr. Major Hasan has just shot up the army base in your town and is roaring up the interstate towards you in a Ford Escalade, firing his pistol out the window at everyone he passes.You want to try to stop him in an Impala? |
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Posted: 12/14/2009 12:27:02 PM EDT
How much time is spent idling these fuckers btw? Two idling V8's, I believe, get the same gas mileage.
I can understand more room, but for what exactly. I just don't see the need for traffic use. There is a local town here called Dalworthington Gardens in the middle of Arlington, TX. These fuckers have a huge tax base due to being in the middle of some very nice homes/properties. THAT and they have a hell of a deal on a stretch of four lane road, with a middle turn, that was mainly paid for by Arlington, that generates a shit ton of money. Even has a school zone in it. Also, they have small two lane roads they refuse to upgrade and only have 35mph limits on them. Needless to say they generate a ton of revenue. Well, they have Tahoes, and even a 6.0GTO for traffic duty. They have no freeways, or any roads that even remotely need a GTO. Oh, and no off roading needed. |
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Posted: 12/14/2009 12:28:49 PM EDT
My area is very nice and VERY VERY LOW crime, and every cop has a new 2006 and newer large V8 SUV.
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