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Posted: 1/20/2015 12:16:52 AM EST
I have primarily owned standard transmissions (lots of them) but I drive over fifty rentals a year on average and I don't remember the last rental standard transmission I have driven. I'm saying that I have driven lots and lots of different makes and models. The point being that as far as I know the shift knob or lever on the modern automobile is not mechanical at all, rather electric. My question is why bother having a knob or lever if there is no mechanical connection to the transmission? Why not have a button or whatever? I mean some beamers and benzs I drive are already like that. Seems like shift knobs on the center pedestal are wasted space.

Three caveats: I miss standard transmissions being standard, I make no claim to being an expert on how automatic transmissions work, and this hotel has an above average selection of single malt scotch.


RC
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Tradition...

Some are more sensible, and locate it on the dash. The Oddesy and Prius come to mind.
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Peak knob
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It would be cool if it were buttons to press like on the big buses and motor homes.
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I read an (I think it was on jalopnik) article recently about how that it was all Mercedes' fault that we had the console shifters for autos.
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He he...
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in the future, you will sit in your car and it will read your mind.
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1962 Dodge Dart

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I don't think they're all electronic. There's still a mechanical connection.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 12:23:47 AM EST
The prius is specifically why I have been asking myself this question for as long as that car has been a 'midsize' rental staple.




RC


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Originally Posted By midcap:
It would be cool if it were buttons to press like on the big buses and motor homes.
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my rig has buttons..


sometimes i wish it were the old days, with a company on the tailboard, and double clutching that fucking pig through town.
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Newer Dodge Ram shifter knob

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Originally Posted By pilatuspilot:
The prius is specifically why I have been asking myself this question for as long as that car has been a 'midsize' rental staple.

RC


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The Gen 3s (2010+) unfortunatly got a center console and the shifter was relocated to the top of it as a part of their 'conventionalizing' process.

Gen1 and 2 cars had it on the dash high and right of the steering column. I've got an '08 and it's best up there.
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I've driven cars with this setup. If I have to drive automatics this seems far more logical than most of the current offerings. Wasted space.



In the next thread I will discuss how I miss column mounted manual transmission shifters and bench seats in pickups.



RC


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my rig has buttons..


sometimes i wish it were the old days, with a company on the tailboard, and double clutching that fucking pig through town.
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Originally Posted By Shott8283:
Originally Posted By midcap:
It would be cool if it were buttons to press like on the big buses and motor homes.

my rig has buttons..


sometimes i wish it were the old days, with a company on the tailboard, and double clutching that fucking pig through town.


We don't have one that is a manual. And all the cabs are enclosed.

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I also hate electric transfer case selectors. My TJ is still manual, thank god, though I do have electric lockers. And of course my tacoma is electric, But still. Bring back manual Tcase and locking hubs.


RC
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Bring back manual Tcase and locking hubs.


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No!
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Ew.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 12:41:00 AM EST
Most of the ones with a knob are doing something mechanical. For example, if electricity to the transmission fails, you will still at least be able to get it in park. Some will even let you select one forward and one reverse range with no power to the transmission.

The all electric shifters are a blazingly stupid idea with zero redundancy. Run away.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 12:42:11 AM EST
Auto console shifters aren't just levers that go back and forth. They only move between certain positions if you've depressed a button. This is by design and it is an important safety feature.

Things like paddle shifters have applications in sports cars, obviously, but a lot of these weird-ass shifting setups are a seriously bad idea. I can tell you from personal experience that you do NOT want to be a passenger in one of those vehicles, have to get going in a hurry due to an emergency, and find out that the driver has totally vapor locked on how to even get the car in motion.
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Auto console shifters aren't just levers that go back and forth. They only move between certain positions if you've depressed a button. This is by design and it is an important safety feature.

Things like paddle shifters have applications in sports cars, obviously, but a lot of these weird-ass shifting setups are a seriously bad idea. I can tell you from personal experience that you do NOT want to be a passenger in one of those vehicles, have to get going in a hurry due to an emergency, and find out that the driver has totally vapor locked on how to even get the car in motion.
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Most garden variety rent cars that have paddle shifters also have regular shift knobs in my experience. Half the time I drive one that has paddle shifters I rarely even realize that they are so equipped.




RC
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XFML

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On a side note does anyone else miss bench seats that a console shifter prohibits?
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Yes. See my post above regarding column shifters on trucks. Three on the tree forever.



RC


ETA I also miss vinyl bench seats and rubber floors. I also miss my 1983 Ford F100 and 1978 CJ5. I may need to find another CJ.


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Bench seats were great. Especially before seatbelt laws.
Three in the front or having the sweetie cozy up next to you while driving or at the drive-in.
Link Posted: 1/20/2015 1:00:33 AM EST
As long as it's laid out in a logical manner and provides tactile feedback so that you can do it with one hand without having to look at it, I don't see why not.

That's the main advantage I see with the center console shifter, it's easy to get your hand on and operate without having to reach out of your way or look at it.
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I fucking hate that thing. One of our new patrol vehicles is a Dodge Ram. All I can say is, thank god they have an electronic lockout to prevent it from going into another gear while in motion.

I can't tell you have many times I've been cruising at 45mph and went to turn the radio down, but accidentally switched that knob into reverse or park.
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I know it's not a traditional bench seat, but my 2011 F-150 has a split bench seat that essentially does the same thing. I kind of like it.

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The all electric shifters are a blazingly stupid idea with zero redundancy. Run away.
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Whats even worse is electronic shifters on a hybrid with the stop-start bs where the engine shuts off. Some cars might be better, but a truck I drove with that crap took a good 2-3 seconds to start back up and shift back into drive after being stopped at a light.
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Originally Posted By CaverX:
As long as it's laid out in a logical manner and provides tactile feedback so that you can do it with one hand without having to look at it, I don't see why not.

That's the main advantage I see with the center console shifter, it's easy to get your hand on and operate without having to reach out of your way or look at it.
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As a diehard standard/manual transmission guy I would agree. But during day-to-day driving of any light automobile why do you need to have your hands on the shifter in an automatic? Even during the completely retarded toyota/lexus "uncommanded acceleration" wrecks it was determined that simply standing on the brakes would have stopped the cars. (though I would have also shifted to neutral.)

RC
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Whats even worse is electronic shifters on a hybrid with the stop-start bs where the engine shuts off. Some cars might be better, but a truck I drove with that crap took a good 2-3 seconds to start back up and shift back into drive after being stopped at a light.
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The all electric shifters are a blazingly stupid idea with zero redundancy. Run away.



Whats even worse is electronic shifters on a hybrid with the stop-start bs where the engine shuts off. Some cars might be better, but a truck I drove with that crap took a good 2-3 seconds to start back up and shift back into drive after being stopped at a light.





First time I drove a car that did that at a light I thought that the engine had died. I switched it off and restarted. Pulled over in a gas station just across the intersection and called the rent company to come bring me another car. They said that was normal. C series benz too. sigh
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First time I drove a car that did that at a light I thought that the engine had died. I switched it off and restarted. Pulled over in a gas station just across the intersection and called the rent company to come bring me another car. They said that was normal. C series benz too. sigh
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Originally Posted By pilatuspilot:
Originally Posted By JohnT83:
Originally Posted By Mossberg:
The all electric shifters are a blazingly stupid idea with zero redundancy. Run away.



Whats even worse is electronic shifters on a hybrid with the stop-start bs where the engine shuts off. Some cars might be better, but a truck I drove with that crap took a good 2-3 seconds to start back up and shift back into drive after being stopped at a light.





First time I drove a car that did that at a light I thought that the engine had died. I switched it off and restarted. Pulled over in a gas station just across the intersection and called the rent company to come bring me another car. They said that was normal. C series benz too. sigh


I have been wondering with all the electric shift knobs why not get rid of the console and make room for an extra person like the good ole days.
On a side note my airport car is a 5 speed and since I am not driving in traffic I love it.

Pilatus Pilot-PM me next time your at KEFD. It might be better timing
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Shift dials suck a fat one with heavy gloves on.

Shifter in the center console is the way it should be. (same goes for floor mounted gas pedals, hanging ones are blah)
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I'm picturing more stupid people accidentally backing up or going forward when they mean the opposite.

Just pushing a button vs the act of shifting presents more opportunity for "fail" IMHO.
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Redtube has your answer.


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I like the shift nob on my G37x... I can shift up and down as I wish (unless the computer says no ) or put it in automatic. It's fun to do on the bendy roads.
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High School the drive in and a 1969 Calais Cadillac. Yeah i miss them.



That seat would lay back till it was a V from the side. One night it got stuck.Bitch to drive home.
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I'm not saying you said knob. But you said knob.
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Oh holy hell that would suck to plow snow with!
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Yes. See my post above regarding column shifters on trucks. Three on the tree forever.



RC


ETA I also miss vinyl bench seats and rubber floors. I also miss my 1983 Ford F100 and 1978 CJ5. I may need to find another CJ.


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Originally Posted By pilatuspilot:
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On a side note does anyone else miss bench seats that a console shifter prohibits?



Yes. See my post above regarding column shifters on trucks. Three on the tree forever.



RC


ETA I also miss vinyl bench seats and rubber floors. I also miss my 1983 Ford F100 and 1978 CJ5. I may need to find another CJ.




Toyota coaster busses came with a column shift five speed. Not too awkward after you got used to it...

Link Posted: 1/20/2015 6:25:28 AM EST
the new tlx v6 has buttons that shift the transmission. the 4 cylinder still has a shift knob.
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The worst are the pickups with the shifter taking up the center of the front seat.

My Dad had a car in the 60's, Plymouth maybe, that had push buttons on the dash, but I'm sure it was mechanical.
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So Dodge doesn't see any need for low gear with their trucks?

Kharn
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I wish they'd go back to putting the fuel filler behind the back license plate like it used to be. No worries about which side of pump to pull up on, and smoother lines.

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I miss my '68 Cougar.




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So Dodge doesn't see any need for low gear with their trucks?

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So Dodge doesn't see any need for low gear with their trucks?

Kharn


4WD low?
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DODGE fails again!


Seriously, that is stupid for a pickup.


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The worst are the pickups with the shifter taking up the center of the front seat.

My Dad had a car in the 60's, Plymouth maybe, that had push buttons on the dash, but I'm sure it was mechanical.
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I ordered my 2012 F150 with the center console shifter because I like it best. I hate column shifters.
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