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Posted: 7/20/2008 7:54:38 AM EST
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 7:58:02 AM EST
They think they're smarter than everyone else and therefore they can put your money to better uses, like giving it to crackheads and welfare rats so they'll vote Democratic.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 7:59:37 AM EST
I'm guessing they are thinking of people like the Hiltons, Rockerfellers, etc, who inherit multi-generational wealth. Its the liberal perspective that these people are inheriting this money almost tax free, and paying no tax on the wealth as it compounds. I don't believe they see it as an issue that affects the average American. After all, every time the inheritance tax is mentioned in the media that I have seen, the articles invariably state that the first half million ( or whatever figure it is ) isn't taxed, so probably your average Liberal thinks that the only people hit by the tax are the massively wealthy.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:02:48 AM EST
I don't know but aside from me and my brother my three other siblings are pretty liberal. If they wish to not inherit anything from my parents estate, my brother and I would be willing to split it amongst ourselves.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:03:11 AM EST
Because in communist countries when you die, the state takes it all.

Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:04:23 AM EST
Guilt.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:04:44 AM EST
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:05:19 AM EST
They are jealous that you are going to get money and they are not !
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:08:37 AM EST
It's highly ironic since the majority of them get their money through inheritance and trust funds.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:10:10 AM EST
It isn't FAAAAAAAIRRRR to those who don't come from wealthy families.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:10:23 AM EST
Becaue they want the money.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:11:35 AM EST
They want your money. They don't care how they get it. They simply don't want to admit it.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:12:46 AM EST
Almost verbatim from a liberal friend's mouth-

Because one of the main goals of the liberal is wealth-redistribution, ensuring that all classes of society have the same shot at a successful life.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:13:33 AM EST
tagged so I can read all of the stupid posts by the commies of arfcom.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:14:21 AM EST
Because they believe that people should earn their position in life through hard work on their own individual merits, and not based on some handout.

Inheritances give children an excuse to not work hard to earn their own place in life.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:14:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By shotar:

Originally Posted By tc556guy:
I'm guessing they are thinking of people like the Hiltons, Rockerfellers, etc, who inherit multi-generational wealth. Its the liberal perspective that these people are inheriting this money almost tax free, and paying no tax on the wealth as it compounds. I don't believe they see it as an issue that affects the average American. After all, every time the inheritance tax is mentioned in the media that I have seen, the articles invariably state that the first half million ( or whatever figure it is ) isn't taxed, so probably your average Liberal thinks that the only people hit by the tax are the massively wealthy.


So it is a regressive tax as it has not kept pace with inflation? I mean the Green family is not what I would call cash wealthy, they are working farmers. It just happens that in the last 10 years, suburbia came out to meet them. Grampa ( the titled owner ) was getting up there and their accountant said they better do something or they could not afford to pass it on. I hear the same from many small to medium privately held companies. The ownercannot afford to pass it on to his kids without selling out.


The solution to THAT is to incorporate, IIRC...
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:16:41 AM EST

Originally Posted By mcornell:
Because they believe that people should earn their position in life through hard work on their own individual merits, and not based on some handout.

Inheritances give children an excuse to not work hard to earn their own place in life.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:17:00 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/20/2008 8:18:11 AM EST by usptac]

Originally Posted By Tolip:
Almost verbatim from a liberal friend's mouth-

Because one of the main goals of the liberal is wealth-redistribution, ensuring that all classes of society have the same shot at a successful life.


The path to failure. Ask your commie friend what the motivation is for those to strive and produce a lot, only to have it stolen and redistributed. An Idealist may work for the "common good" or "prosperity of the motherland" or what have you, but what percentage of the population will these idealist comprise? Enough to keep the commie dream alive? History says otherwise.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:17:55 AM EST
Because they are Nazis.



We demand the unification of all Germans in the Greater Germany on the basis of the right of self-determination of people.
We demand equality of rights for the German people in respect to the other nations; abrogation of the peace treaties of Versailles and St. Germain.
We demand land and territory (colonies) for the sustenance of our people, and colonization for our surplus population.
Only a member of the race can be a citizen. A member of the race can only be one who is of German blood, without consideration of creed. Consequently no Jew can be a member of the race.
Whoever has no citizenship is to be able to live in Germany only as a guest, and must be under the authority of legislation for foreigners.
The right to determine matters concerning administration and law belongs only to the citizen. Therefore we demand that every public office, of any sort whatsoever, whether in the Reich, the county or municipality, be filled only by citizens. We combat the corrupting parliamentary economy, office-holding only according to party inclinations without consideration of character or abilities.
We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich.
Any further immigration of non-citizens is to be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans, who have immigrated to Germany since the [2 August 1914], be forced immediately to leave the Reich.
All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.
The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all Consequently we demand:
Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of rent-slavery.
In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality. We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.

We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land. We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, Schieber and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.
We demand substitution of a German common law in place of the Roman Law serving a materialistic world-order.
The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbuergerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.
The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.
We demand abolition of the mercenary troops and formation of a national army.
We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press. In order to enable the provision of a German press, we demand, that: a. All writers and employees of the newspapers appearing in the German language be members of the race: b. Non-German newspapers be required to have the express permission of the State to be published. They may not be printed in the German language: c. Non-Germans are forbidden by law any financial interest in German publications, or any influence on them, and as punishment for violations the closing of such a publication as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-German concerned. Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden. We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life, and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands.
We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: The good of the state before the good of the individual.[10]
For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power in the Reich. Unlimited authority of the central parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in general. The forming of state and profession chambers for the execution of the laws made by the Reich within the various states of the confederation. The leaders of the Party promise, if necessary by sacrificing their own lives, to support by the execution of the points set forth above without consideration.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:18:14 AM EST

Originally Posted By mcornell:
Because they believe that people should earn their position in life through hard work on their own individual merits, and not based on some handout.


are you serious?
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:19:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By Sylvan:>snip<
But, but right wingers are suppose to be the fascists!
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:20:02 AM EST

Originally Posted By Houstons_Problem:
Because in communist countries when you die, the state takes it all.



Yup, one of the tenants of communism is abolition of the family - preventing any kind of inheritance facilitates this.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:20:50 AM EST
Read George Orwell's book "Animal Farm" and see where you fit in.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:21:01 AM EST



Do I think that Paris Hilton deserves the money that she has?

Nope.

Do I think that I have the right to take her money?

Nope.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:21:44 AM EST
Liberals are against traditionalists being able to leave an inheritance to their traditionalist-raised middle-America offspring.

They are NOT against their own elite living generation after generation off of trust funds and doing things like going off to the family business Board of Directors conference on global warming in Tahiti.

That's entirely different... somehow.

Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:23:40 AM EST

Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:

Originally Posted By Sylvan:>snip<
But, but right wingers are suppose to be the fascists!


the Democrats really get pissed off when I inform them that they have the same policies as the nazis, minus the jew killing part.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:25:26 AM EST

Originally Posted By Lefthandpath:

Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:

Originally Posted By Sylvan:>snip<
But, but right wingers are suppose to be the fascists!


the Democrats really get pissed off when I inform them that they have the same policies as the nazis, minus the jew white killing part.

It gets closer all the time...
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:27:54 AM EST
Because LIBTARDS, think any money derived by any source but being doled out by them "to each according to their need" is evil.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:28:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By Lefthandpath:

Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:

Originally Posted By Sylvan:>snip<
But, but right wingers are suppose to be the fascists!


the Democrats really get pissed off when I inform them that they have the same policies as the nazis, minus the jew killing part.



You are correct sir! Nazi meant the national socialist party, today's Democrats are more liberal about seizing everyone's assets.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:33:45 AM EST
It is a means by which socialist/ liberals can confiscate property and wealth after death from those they could not confiscate it from while alive. "You can't take it with you anyway so we are the ones best able to decide what to do with it." is their mantra.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:34:27 AM EST

Originally Posted By mcornell:
Because they believe that people should earn their position in life through hard work on their own individual merits, and not based on some handout.

Inheritances give children an excuse to not work hard to earn their own place in life.


Uh, No. The only acceptable way to become wealthy is to sue some big EVIL coporation for the money.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:37:02 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/20/2008 8:42:01 AM EST by Rabon]
The brightest folks don't always produce the brightest offspring. When looking at some of Americas politically entrenched families, I do find the thought of a two generation 100% inheritance tax somewhat intriguing.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:41:16 AM EST

Originally Posted By Rabon:
The brightest folks don't always produce the brightest offspring. When looking at some of Americas politically entrenched families, I do find the thought of a two generation 100% inheritance tax somewhat intriguing.

Don't need it.
Eventually they breed themselves into stupidity and they lose their money.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:42:59 AM EST

Originally Posted By Sylvan:

Originally Posted By Rabon:
The brightest folks don't always produce the brightest offspring. When looking at some of Americas politically entrenched families, I do find the thought of a two generation 100% inheritance tax somewhat intriguing.

Don't need it.
Eventually they breed themselves into stupidity and they lose their money.
Yup, when you dump your life savings into booze, expensive hotel rooms, hookers and parties it won't take long for that money to dwindle down and recycle through the economy.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 8:48:17 AM EST

Originally Posted By shotar:
I've seen this mentioned numerous times in numerous publications and forums without explanation. It usually starts with discussion of corporate and estate taxes. My usual retort is that I should not have to earn twice the salary I really need in order to support those who will not work at all, even though they could.

This usually devolves to them confessing that they don't like income taxes much either, but that estate taxes should never be lowered and people who inherited money are evil and don't deserve it. I point out the family farm, many of which are owned from one generation to the next, with estate taxes being paid on the value of the land. Now some of those farms are in areas where the value has increased exponentially and families are left with having to sell to pay the taxes. A local farm sold some of their land to Walmart for $3mm so they would have enough to pay the estate taxes on the rest.

So, why this idea of the estate tax being owed???? I mean this is money or land or business that has already had taxes paid on it. That is being taxed on money that is already taxes as it passes from one generation to the next. Why is it evil to want to leave my life's work to my children to continue it? Why is it evil for them to continue what I or my father or grandfather started?

What is the mindset going on here? I've asked them and the only answer I get is that it's " complicated "


Quite simply, it's jealousy.
They don't like to see anyone get a head start in lfe. They feel as if your children don't deserve to inherit your wealth any more than they do.

Nobody left them any inheiritance (because their parents didn't save any $$$ either), and they don't like the idea that they will have to work much harder to acheive the same standard of living. Your kids won't have to work as hard, because you were smart enough to amass some wealth and property.

If they can use taxes to "make it fair" by reducing your children's inheiritance, it makes them feel better about their position in life.

Link Posted: 7/20/2008 9:03:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:

Originally Posted By Sylvan:

Originally Posted By Rabon:
The brightest folks don't always produce the brightest offspring. When looking at some of Americas politically entrenched families, I do find the thought of a two generation 100% inheritance tax somewhat intriguing.

Don't need it.
Eventually they breed themselves into stupidity and they lose their money.
Yup, when you dump your life savings into booze, expensive hotel rooms, hookers and parties it won't take long for that money to dwindle down and recycle through the economy.
Yup,I never even had an inheritance but I have done my part in "supporting"the economy.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 9:17:14 AM EST

Originally Posted By psyops4fun:
Liberals are against traditionalists being able to leave an inheritance to their traditionalist-raised middle-America offspring.

They are NOT against their own elite living generation after generation off of trust funds and doing things like going off to the family business Board of Directors conference on global warming in Tahiti.

That's entirely different... somehow.



That's ridiculous! Name me ONE, just one Liberal family like that?

*cough*Kennedy's*cough*

H­ere on Arfcom if you ever bring up whether parents should pay for college, you get some posters who say that 'they should work their way through college like I did.'

Gee, I thought the whole reason I'm saving for my kid's college education was to make it easier for him so he can focus on his schoolwork. Silly me.

If you take that mentality to the extreme, we should abolish Arfcom and burn down the libraries so that people can 'earn' all that knowledge themselves.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 9:18:38 AM EST
I wonder if they think the United States should return to being a British colony. After all, why should we benefit from the hard work of our forefathers?
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 9:41:29 AM EST
what's funny is that many of them are rich due to inheritance. Ed the drunk for one
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 9:45:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By mcornell:
Because they believe that people should earn their position in life through hard work on their own individual merits, and not based on some handout.

Inheritances give children an excuse to not work hard to earn their own place in life.


Wow, just wow.

You didn't happen to live in MA at one time?
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 9:49:00 AM EST

Originally Posted By mcornell:
Because they believe that people should earn their position in life through hard work on their own individual merits, and not based on some handout.

Inheritances give children an excuse to not work hard to earn their own place in life.




You forgot to do the little sarcasm on/off thingy or something.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 9:51:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By shotar:

So it is a regressive tax as it has not kept pace with inflation?

I don't know if the dollar amount has gone up or not. Personally I am in favor of doing away with the inheritance tax. That money has already been taxed, and if the family business is anything like the ones I've known, the kids inheriting the business have their own sweat equity in what they are inheriting, even if the business wasn't in their name up to that point.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 9:56:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By shootemup:

Originally Posted By mcornell:
Because they believe that people should earn their position in life through hard work on their own individual merits, and not based on some handout.

Inheritances give children an excuse to not work hard to earn their own place in life.


Wow, just wow.

You didn't happen to live in MA at one time?


Was that a bit dry for you?
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 10:02:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By mcornell:
Because they believe that people should earn their position in life through hard work on their own individual merits, and not based on some handout.

Inheritances give children an excuse to not work hard to earn their own place in life.


You were serious?
It's wealth redistibution, nothing more, the Govt did nothing to earn it yet wants a large percentage of ALREADY taxed earned income, property or funds.

It's a money grab, pure and simple, if the deceased wants to place restrictions on income, how it can be distributed, or any other requirement HE can do so, it is not the govt domain to have a say. [it shouldn't be anyways]

I'd love to see any Senator, President, or Rep. be required to first give up all his property or ownings to be able to serve personally and all earnings afterward that have anything to do with anything govt related be taxes at 3X the normal rate. I'd like it just for the uproar it would create in the elitist ranks. [That goes for spousal income also, no playing shell games like Pelosi does]



Link Posted: 7/20/2008 10:03:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By mcornell:

Originally Posted By shootemup:

Originally Posted By mcornell:
Because they believe that people should earn their position in life through hard work on their own individual merits, and not based on some handout.

Inheritances give children an excuse to not work hard to earn their own place in life.


Wow, just wow.

You didn't happen to live in MA at one time?


Was that a bit dry for you?


Some of the most successful people in the country have used inheritances as a spring board to more wealth. Donald Trump ring a bell?

The taxes have already been pain in most cases in inheritances and estates. Whst do you propose should be done? What's you position? a)tax the inheritance again., or b) Inheritances should be the property of the state.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 10:07:21 AM EST

Originally Posted By scully:

Originally Posted By mcornell:
Because they believe that people should earn their position in life through hard work on their own individual merits, and not based on some handout.

Inheritances give children an excuse to not work hard to earn their own place in life.




You forgot to do the little sarcasm on/off thingy or something.


The second part of my statement was meant to be dead serious. Have you ever meet any trust fund hippies? People whose parents left them a fortune (often locked in a trust where they only get a check every month) and the kids never amount to anything?

The first part of my statement was meant very tung-in-check. Considering that the Republican party has put forth the Horatio Alger myth as one of its tenants, you would think that they would be opposed to the large transfers of wealth to those who had not earned it.

Neither the Republican or Democratic party have an monopoly of rich elites who are interested in telling us how to live our lives or what to do with our money. They both share a common theme: Hypocrisy.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 10:16:35 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/20/2008 10:17:34 AM EST by EternalVigilance]
Because collectivists believe the state is your real family. That right there explains 80% of their bullshit.


My money will be set on fire when I die if I so choose. ITS MINE. Its nobodies fucking business what I give to my children. Its mine to give.


Hell, my family is my only real motivation to become successful, to work hard, etc. They are exactly why I want to amass wealth. If any hippie communist fuck doesn't like it, they can suck my dick.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 10:16:41 AM EST

Originally Posted By shootemup:

Originally Posted By mcornell:

Originally Posted By shootemup:

Originally Posted By mcornell:
Because they believe that people should earn their position in life through hard work on their own individual merits, and not based on some handout.

Inheritances give children an excuse to not work hard to earn their own place in life.


Wow, just wow.

You didn't happen to live in MA at one time?


Was that a bit dry for you?


Some of the most successful people in the country have used inheritances as a spring board to more wealth. Donald Trump ring a bell?

The taxes have already been pain in most cases in inheritances and estates. Whst do you propose should be done? What's you position? a)tax the inheritance again., or b) Inheritances should be the property of the state.


An inheritance tax is like any other tax. In its most recent incarnation, it just happened to effect a very small minority of Americans. The .gov needs/wants revenue and has the power to tax to obtain that revenue. If it does not tax inheritances, it will tax something else (like beer, income, investments, property or pokeman cards). The benefit of the inheritance tax is I am likely to not be effected by it. As a philosophical matter, those who are effected have the least to complain about, since the property being taxed was not theirs, but some dead relative/friend.

I do firmly believe that leaving large inheritances to children can often take away an incentive to earn their way in the world through hard work. I have had a number of friends who this was true for. Maybe they would have been lazy bums if dear old dad had not set up a trust for them, but the existence of the trust certainly did not motivate them to work hard.

I am also bothered by those who believe that they have a right to inherit money or property from their parents. The owner of the property has a right to do with the property as they please.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 10:16:44 AM EST
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 10:20:01 AM EST
Liberals believe that allowing huge sums of wealth to be handed down from generation to generation, growing exponentially as it did so would create a class of plutocratic aristocrats whose power and influence would be disproportionate in relation to their small numbers, and thus would corrupt and threaten American democracy and the voice of the common man.

This has already happened, of course with special interests of the environmentalists, trial lawyers, corn farmers, sugar planters, and the AARP special interests basically dictating Congress to spend and make laws for what's good for them and to hell with everyone else. And all these estate taxes are avoided by complex trusts drafted up by lawyers and accountants (you don't think the Kennedy family earns any of the money they live off of, do you? It's still all the money made by Joseph Kennedy hidden and protected from all the taxes they have voted to raise)

The estate tax doesn't even bring in a lot of money, since the superrich can easily evade it. So why even have this tax? The usual reasons, it makes Liberals feel good and they think it's the right thing with good intentions, despite the fact the outcomes show it's absolutely ineffective. But like that ever convinces them of anything.

Link Posted: 7/20/2008 10:20:19 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/20/2008 10:20:43 AM EST by EternalVigilance]

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:

Originally Posted By mcornell:

Originally Posted By scully:

Originally Posted By mcornell:
Because they believe that people should earn their position in life through hard work on their own individual merits, and not based on some handout.

Inheritances give children an excuse to not work hard to earn their own place in life.




You forgot to do the little sarcasm on/off thingy or something.


The second part of my statement was meant to be dead serious. Have you ever meet any trust fund hippies? People whose parents left them a fortune (often locked in a trust where they only get a check every month) and the kids never amount to anything?

The first part of my statement was meant very tung-in-check. Considering that the Republican party has put forth the Horatio Alger myth as one of its tenants, you would think that they would be opposed to the large transfers of wealth to those who had not earned it.

Neither the Republican or Democratic party have an monopoly of rich elites who are interested in telling us how to live our lives or what to do with our money. They both share a common theme: Hypocrisy.


You don't have a clue.

Whose money is it that we are talking about?

Yours? Mine? The Gooberment's?

Nope. It belongs to the person that made it. If he wants to leave it to his stupid brats, then he is perfectly free to do so.

Why? Because it's his money, and he can do whatever he wants to with it.

It's not your, nor the Gooberment's business what he does with it. It's his.

That concept is called "Freedom". Read about it.



+1

I really fucking hate socialists.
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