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Posted: 10/29/2013 5:33:32 AM EST
When watching the news reports of the cops going in to a house for anything, (domestic dispute, warrants, burglary investigation, illegal searches…etc) the first thing they look for are guns? If the gun is owned legally by a person in the house and not used in anyway related why would they seize the guns? …they don’t take the TV or DVR or car or the kitchen knife set. Why is law enforcement so infatuated with taking all the guns out of a house first thing?

Just asking...
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 5:34:53 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/29/2013 5:46:07 AM EST by GOBLIN1]
They want us dis-armed....that is their ultimate goal.


OH!....and to raise revenue , of course!
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 5:36:28 AM EST
oh I'm in on this one
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 5:39:28 AM EST
I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 5:42:06 AM EST
They think you will try to kill them.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 5:42:24 AM EST
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Originally Posted By EastWestKy:
I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call.
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thats seems awful logical of you.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 5:43:07 AM EST
IN!
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 5:43:47 AM EST
Power trips.
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Originally Posted By EastWestKy:
I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call.
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And how did you decide what was legal?
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 5:44:29 AM EST
If you watch CSI or Law & Order, they always look for semen first.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 5:44:33 AM EST
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Originally Posted By EastWestKy:
I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call.
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The gun that will hurt you, will never be disclosed.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 5:45:07 AM EST
They "secure" the guns.
I'd want to know where anything is that someone can use to kill me from a distance.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 5:52:53 AM EST
Don't do anything stupid and...........nm, forgot I was in GD
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 6:25:13 AM EST
As in all situations, it depends. If I there are guns within reach of the parties, especially in a domestic where tensions are already sky high, I'll ask the person to either move, or I'll grab the firearm, unload it, and place it away from them. I will ask who owns the firearms, but unless a crime occurs, or I have reason to believe the firearm was used in a crime, or is stolen, I leave them alone.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 6:28:21 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Shadow_Grey:
When watching the news reports of the cops going in to a house for anything, (domestic dispute, warrants, burglary investigation, illegal searches…etc) the first thing they look for are guns? If the gun is owned legally by a person in the house and not used in anyway related why would they seize the guns? …they don’t take the TV or DVR or car or the kitchen knife set. Why is law enforcement so infatuated with taking all the guns out of a house first thing?

Just asking...
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for just a contact? I make sure there are not any weapons that are accessable. nothing is "seized"
the only time your guns are seized is if it is by court order, or it is evidence in a crime.
so in answer to your question, they wouldnt. stop watching so much TV.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 6:30:33 AM EST
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Originally Posted By TontoGoldstein:


And how did you decide what was legal?
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Originally Posted By TontoGoldstein:
Originally Posted By EastWestKy:
I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call.


And how did you decide what was legal?

Link Posted: 10/29/2013 6:34:21 AM EST
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Originally Posted By mhall8811:
They "secure" the guns.
I'd want to know where anything is that someone can use to kill me from a distance.
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Yes, but often they "take" them outside the particularity of the probable cause. Because they can.

Getting "firearms" into any drug search warrant isn't a difficult PC stretch by any imagination. But white collar or child porn? Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the pederasts, but a firearm is not "contraband" in and of itself. And to say in a search warrant that a firearm is the fruit, instrumentality, or evidence of any criminal activity is a fallacy.


Link Posted: 10/29/2013 6:36:54 AM EST
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Guns look good on a table during the press conference and make it easier to get budget increases.

Also - the government is trying their best to reshape the image of firearms ownership in the USA, scaring the populace into thinking that by owning guns, they will be subject to criminal prosecution for ANY firearms related wrongdoing. The end result after years of this abuse of gun owners is many people will simply not want to own guns because of the potential for criminal investigation and prosecution for the slightest violation or suspicion. We are entering the new age of the War on Gun Owners, which will assist LE in obtaining more and more budget and resources.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 6:39:20 AM EST
It's one thing if they round them up so they know where they are and can control them. It's another and possibly illegal thing if they remove them from the premises.
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Originally Posted By EastWestKy:
I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call.
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What about when you conduct illegal searches like the OP noted???
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Originally Posted By EastWestKy:
I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call.
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You don't know where all the guns in your house are?
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Originally Posted By EastWestKy:
I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call.
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If it worries you that much, don't go into the house! Speak with the person outside! It's much safer especially if the person lies as to the whereabouts of said weapons!
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Originally Posted By EastWestKy:
I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call.
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What do you do with the kitchen knives, baseball bats, hammers, screwdrivers, lamps, candlesticks, etc?
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 6:44:51 AM EST
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Originally Posted By TontoGoldstein:
Power trips.
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There are close to 50 deaths so far this year of LEO's that have been shot during domestic disturbance calls.

Who's tripping?

Link Posted: 10/29/2013 6:45:46 AM EST
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Originally Posted By swimshoot:


What do you do with the kitchen knives, baseball bats, hammers, screwdrivers, lamps, candlesticks, etc?
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Originally Posted By swimshoot:
Originally Posted By EastWestKy:
I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call.


What do you do with the kitchen knives, baseball bats, hammers, screwdrivers, lamps, candlesticks, etc?


Women, etc.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 6:45:49 AM EST
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Originally Posted By EastWestKy:
I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call.
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Do you also ask about knives, pitchforks, hammers and angry cats?
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Originally Posted By EastWestKy:
I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call.
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So, when you show up on a bogus "noise disturbance," do you ask if there are any guns present, or do you just assume everyone has one and want's to use it against you?
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 6:49:08 AM EST
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Originally Posted By chibajoe:


Do you also ask about knives, pitchforks, hammers and angry cats?
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Originally Posted By chibajoe:
Originally Posted By EastWestKy:
I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call.


Do you also ask about knives, pitchforks, hammers and angry cats?


hatchets, machetes, ice picks, screw drivers, etc
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Originally Posted By Chris_C:


There are close to 50 deaths so far this year of LEO's that have been shot during domestic disturbance calls.



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Cite your source. I find this hard to believe.
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Originally Posted By EastWestKy:
I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call.
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I proceed as if I'm walking into an armed camp every time. In these parts, that's a pretty safe bet. Can't say I've ever seen a gun taken into evidence or whatever unless it was an obvious problem. For instance if I find a firearm in a building that is unsecured for some reason, I'll secure that weapon until the owner can recover it. I once took a shotgun from a guy who was seriously considering suicide until his family intervened. He dad came by and got it the next day on his way home from taking his son to the hospital. We don't have enough space to store everything if we'd just go out and start grabbing everything we could find.


Link Posted: 10/29/2013 6:54:11 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:


I never interview women in the kitchen or the sewing room/area.
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Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:
Originally Posted By swimshoot:
What do you do with the kitchen knives, baseball bats, hammers, screwdrivers, lamps, candlesticks, etc?


Women, etc.


I never interview women in the kitchen or the sewing room/area.


Rofl. Smart man. I won't even argue with em in those areas anymore
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 6:55:35 AM EST
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Originally Posted By GOBLIN1:
They want us dis-armed....that is their ultimate goal.


OH!....and to raise revenue , of course!
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+100. You will have to spend more in attorneys fees than the gun is worth. They know this.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 6:55:36 AM EST
The guns aren't yours to take though. They're private property. I don't get it.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 6:57:51 AM EST
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Women, etc.
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Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:
Originally Posted By swimshoot:
Originally Posted By EastWestKy:
I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call.


What do you do with the kitchen knives, baseball bats, hammers, screwdrivers, lamps, candlesticks, etc?


Women, etc.




Hornet spray, golf clubs, rope, piano wire, etc.

ETA: and we know the dag is dead at first sight.....




Link Posted: 10/29/2013 7:00:28 AM EST
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Originally Posted By widerstehe:


Cite your source. I find this hard to believe.
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Originally Posted By widerstehe:
Originally Posted By Chris_C:


There are close to 50 deaths so far this year of LEO's that have been shot during domestic disturbance calls.





Cite your source. I find this hard to believe.




See This and This

I am going to correct the number. The link I got it from didn't differentiate from injuries or deaths..stand by.

When you look at the data that the FBI puts together, DD's are some of the most dangerous calls...I don't blame locals one bit for wanting to secure or at least know where the weapons are.

Don't want to tell me where the gun is, fine you are getting cuffed, patted down and sat down out side of the house.

Link Posted: 10/29/2013 7:01:45 AM EST
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They don't always take the guns. Or even most of the time. Or even frequently or with regularity.

The circumstances under which they are have already been covered by another poster.
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I never interview women in the kitchen or the sewing room/area.
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Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:
Originally Posted By swimshoot:
What do you do with the kitchen knives, baseball bats, hammers, screwdrivers, lamps, candlesticks, etc?


Women, etc.


I never interview women in the kitchen or the sewing room/area.


My ex was infamous for calling the law at every disagreement where I raised my voice.

Even tho she would point them out and even open the safe, never had a single officer touch or take any of my weapons. They simply moved us outside and sorted it out! Usually ending in her leaving and them telling me to divorce the nut job
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 7:02:44 AM EST
Because they can, and we can't do anything about it.

Also, there is an ever-present, implicit threat of deadly force.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 7:03:23 AM EST
where i come from, they usually take them to pin them on some other punk for intel, lest they catch an unlawful possession charge. but thats just the cops in Chicago. thats why i keep mine in a safe in a locked room. then they need a warrant..
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 7:05:16 AM EST
Originally Posted By Shadow_Grey:
When watching the news reports of the cops going in to a house for anything, (domestic dispute, warrants, burglary investigation, illegal searches…etc) the first thing they look for are guns? If the gun is owned legally by a person in the house and not used in anyway related why would they seize the guns? …they don’t take the TV or DVR or car or the kitchen knife set. Why is law enforcement so infatuated with taking all the guns out of a house first thing?

Just asking...
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So they can sell them on EE.
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Originally Posted By Chris_C:

is there a reason to be padded down AND cuffed?


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I am going to correct the number. The link I got it from didn't differentiate from injuries or deaths..stand by.

When you look at the data that the FBI puts together, DD's are some of the most dangerous calls...I don't blame locals one bit for wanting to secure or at least know where the weapons are.

Don't want to tell me where the gun is, fine you are getting cuffed, patted down and sat down out side of the house.

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Originally Posted By Chris_C:
Originally Posted By widerstehe:
Originally Posted By Chris_C:


There are close to 50 deaths so far this year of LEO's that have been shot during domestic disturbance calls.





Cite your source. I find this hard to believe.

is there a reason to be padded down AND cuffed?


See This and This

I am going to correct the number. The link I got it from didn't differentiate from injuries or deaths..stand by.

When you look at the data that the FBI puts together, DD's are some of the most dangerous calls...I don't blame locals one bit for wanting to secure or at least know where the weapons are.

Don't want to tell me where the gun is, fine you are getting cuffed, patted down and sat down out side of the house.


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There are close to 50 deaths so far this year of LEO's that have been shot during domestic disturbance calls.

Who's tripping?

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Originally Posted By TontoGoldstein:
Power trips.



There are close to 50 deaths so far this year of LEO's that have been shot during domestic disturbance calls.

Who's tripping?



Got the figure for number of dogs shot by LEOs?
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Originally Posted By joker581:
Meh. I remember the cops telling my stepfather to leave after I called them about him beating up my mom. They let him load up all of his guns and most(if not all) of my guns and then drive out of there drunk with a warning not to come back. Fortunately he didn't decide to come back and kill us later.

I can certainly see why cops would take guns in certain situations.
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It varies state to state. Some areas like in liberal states cops will literally lie and exaggerate shit about people or an incident just to have an excuse to take guns and not give them back. Some cops also like to pretend they rule the world wherever they go, and in domestic cases it probably isn't the smartest idea to walk into someone else's house and act like you own the place with a cocky attitude, but they do.
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Because they can, and we can't do anything about it.

Also, there is an ever-present, implicit threat of deadly force.
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I'm sure that's what the antis feel about OCers and CCWers.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 7:16:18 AM EST
Hey....cut them some slack....They can't afford to BUY their throw-downs!!!!!
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Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:


Uhhhh, yeah. Going in on a DV call, warrant service etc...it's dangerous.

I want to know who is in the house, where in the house and if there are any weapons.
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Originally Posted By Shadow_Grey:
When watching the news reports of the cops going in to a house for anything, (domestic dispute, warrants, burglary investigation, illegal searches…etc) the first thing they look for are guns? If the gun is owned legally by a person in the house and not used in anyway related why would they seize the guns? …they don’t take the TV or DVR or car or the kitchen knife set. Why is law enforcement so infatuated with taking all the guns out of a house first thing?

Just asking...


Uhhhh, yeah. Going in on a DV call, warrant service etc...it's dangerous.

I want to know who is in the house, where in the house and if there are any weapons.



I've never seen them seize kitchen knives, scissors, hammers, cleavers, axes, wasp spray, or any of the myriad of other 'weapons' that are in most houses.

It seems odd to claim you are interested in weapons, but, only one specific type.

I have no doubt it is dangerous to go to a DV call, but it seems to be a gaping hole in the 'find any weapons' policy when you are only inspecting guns.

TRG
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Hey....cut them some slack....They can't afford to BUY their throw-downs!!!!!
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You know not all the guns they seize and come up with an excuse to keep.. are not "being destroyed."

So a lot of them have the mindset of "that could be ours" when deciding to take guns away.

Unfortunately too many cops have a jealousy complex.
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I never interview women in the kitchen or the sewing room/area.
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Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:
Originally Posted By swimshoot:
What do you do with the kitchen knives, baseball bats, hammers, screwdrivers, lamps, candlesticks, etc?


Women, etc.


I never interview women in the kitchen or the sewing room/area.


Let me just say, if she spent more time in either of those two places, you wouldn't be there in the first place...

TRG
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