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Posted: 10/29/2013 6:34:53 AM EDT
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They want us dis-armed....that is their ultimate goal.
OH!....and to raise revenue , of course! |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 6:36:28 AM EDT
[#2]
oh I'm in on this one
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Posted: 10/29/2013 6:39:28 AM EDT
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I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call.
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Posted: 10/29/2013 6:42:06 AM EDT
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They think you will try to kill them.
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Posted: 10/29/2013 6:42:24 AM EDT
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I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call. thats seems awful logical of you. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 6:43:07 AM EDT
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IN!
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Posted: 10/29/2013 6:43:47 AM EDT
[#7]
Power trips.
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Posted: 10/29/2013 6:44:28 AM EDT
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I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call. And how did you decide what was legal? |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 6:44:29 AM EDT
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If you watch CSI or Law & Order, they always look for semen first.
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Posted: 10/29/2013 6:44:33 AM EDT
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I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call. The gun that will hurt you, will never be disclosed. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 6:45:07 AM EDT
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They "secure" the guns.
I'd want to know where anything is that someone can use to kill me from a distance. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 6:52:53 AM EDT
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Don't do anything stupid and...........nm, forgot I was in GD
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Posted: 10/29/2013 7:25:13 AM EDT
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As in all situations, it depends. If I there are guns within reach of the parties, especially in a domestic where tensions are already sky high, I'll ask the person to either move, or I'll grab the firearm, unload it, and place it away from them. I will ask who owns the firearms, but unless a crime occurs, or I have reason to believe the firearm was used in a crime, or is stolen, I leave them alone.
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Posted: 10/29/2013 7:28:21 AM EDT
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When watching the news reports of the cops going in to a house for anything, (domestic dispute, warrants, burglary investigation, illegal searches…etc) the first thing they look for are guns? If the gun is owned legally by a person in the house and not used in anyway related why would they seize the guns? …they don’t take the TV or DVR or car or the kitchen knife set. Why is law enforcement so infatuated with taking all the guns out of a house first thing? Just asking... for just a contact? I make sure there are not any weapons that are accessable. nothing is "seized" the only time your guns are seized is if it is by court order, or it is evidence in a crime. so in answer to your question, they wouldnt. stop watching so much TV. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 7:30:33 AM EDT
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And how did you decide what was legal? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call. And how did you decide what was legal? 
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Posted: 10/29/2013 7:34:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They "secure" the guns. I'd want to know where anything is that someone can use to kill me from a distance. Getting "firearms" into any drug search warrant isn't a difficult PC stretch by any imagination. But white collar or child porn? Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the pederasts, but a firearm is not "contraband" in and of itself. And to say in a search warrant that a firearm is the fruit, instrumentality, or evidence of any criminal activity is a fallacy. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 7:36:54 AM EDT
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Guns look good on a table during the press conference and make it easier to get budget increases.
Also - the government is trying their best to reshape the image of firearms ownership in the USA, scaring the populace into thinking that by owning guns, they will be subject to criminal prosecution for ANY firearms related wrongdoing. The end result after years of this abuse of gun owners is many people will simply not want to own guns because of the potential for criminal investigation and prosecution for the slightest violation or suspicion. We are entering the new age of the War on Gun Owners, which will assist LE in obtaining more and more budget and resources. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 7:39:20 AM EDT
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It's one thing if they round them up so they know where they are and can control them. It's another and possibly illegal thing if they remove them from the premises.
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Posted: 10/29/2013 7:39:49 AM EDT
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When watching the news reports of the cops going in to a house for anything, (domestic dispute, warrants, burglary investigation, illegal searches…etc) the first thing they look for are guns? If the gun is owned legally by a person in the house and not used in anyway related why would they seize the guns? …they don’t take the TV or DVR or car or the kitchen knife set. Why is law enforcement so infatuated with taking all the guns out of a house first thing? Just asking... Uhhhh, yeah. Going in on a DV call, warrant service etc...it's dangerous. I want to know who is in the house, where in the house and if there are any weapons. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 7:40:27 AM EDT
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I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call. What about when you conduct illegal searches like the OP noted??? |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 7:42:28 AM EDT
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I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call. You don't know where all the guns in your house are? |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 7:42:40 AM EDT
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I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call. If it worries you that much, don't go into the house! Speak with the person outside! It's much safer especially if the person lies as to the whereabouts of said weapons! |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 7:43:16 AM EDT
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I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call. What do you do with the kitchen knives, baseball bats, hammers, screwdrivers, lamps, candlesticks, etc? |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 7:44:51 AM EDT
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Power trips. There are close to 50 deaths so far this year of LEO's that have been shot during domestic disturbance calls. Who's tripping? |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 7:45:46 AM EDT
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What do you do with the kitchen knives, baseball bats, hammers, screwdrivers, lamps, candlesticks, etc? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call. What do you do with the kitchen knives, baseball bats, hammers, screwdrivers, lamps, candlesticks, etc? Women, etc. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 7:45:49 AM EDT
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I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call. Do you also ask about knives, pitchforks, hammers and angry cats? |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 7:47:25 AM EDT
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I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call. So, when you show up on a bogus "noise disturbance," do you ask if there are any guns present, or do you just assume everyone has one and want's to use it against you? |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 7:49:08 AM EDT
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Do you also ask about knives, pitchforks, hammers and angry cats? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call. Do you also ask about knives, pitchforks, hammers and angry cats? hatchets, machetes, ice picks, screw drivers, etc |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 7:49:29 AM EDT
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There are close to 50 deaths so far this year of LEO's that have been shot during domestic disturbance calls. Cite your source. I find this hard to believe. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 7:51:20 AM EDT
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Meh. I remember the cops telling my stepfather to leave after I called them about him beating up my mom. They let him load up all of his guns and most(if not all) of my guns and then drive out of there drunk with a warning not to come back. Fortunately he didn't decide to come back and kill us later.
I can certainly see why cops would take guns in certain situations. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 7:52:54 AM EDT
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Women, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What do you do with the kitchen knives, baseball bats, hammers, screwdrivers, lamps, candlesticks, etc? Women, etc. I never interview women in the kitchen or the sewing room/area. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 7:53:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 7:54:11 AM EDT
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I never interview women in the kitchen or the sewing room/area. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What do you do with the kitchen knives, baseball bats, hammers, screwdrivers, lamps, candlesticks, etc? Women, etc. I never interview women in the kitchen or the sewing room/area. Rofl. Smart man. I won't even argue with em in those areas anymore 
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Posted: 10/29/2013 7:55:35 AM EDT
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They want us dis-armed....that is their ultimate goal. OH!....and to raise revenue , of course! +100. You will have to spend more in attorneys fees than the gun is worth. They know this. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 7:55:36 AM EDT
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The guns aren't yours to take though. They're private property. I don't get it.
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Posted: 10/29/2013 7:57:51 AM EDT
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Women, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have never once seized a gun that was legal. I do however want to know where the guns in the house are when I roll up to a call. From my own experience it's an officer safety thing. I want to know where the things that can hurt me are and where everybody is when I'm at a call. What do you do with the kitchen knives, baseball bats, hammers, screwdrivers, lamps, candlesticks, etc? Women, etc. Hornet spray, golf clubs, rope, piano wire, etc. ETA: and we know the dag is dead at first sight..... |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:00:28 AM EDT
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Cite your source. I find this hard to believe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There are close to 50 deaths so far this year of LEO's that have been shot during domestic disturbance calls. Cite your source. I find this hard to believe. See This and This I am going to correct the number. The link I got it from didn't differentiate from injuries or deaths..stand by. When you look at the data that the FBI puts together, DD's are some of the most dangerous calls...I don't blame locals one bit for wanting to secure or at least know where the weapons are. Don't want to tell me where the gun is, fine you are getting cuffed, patted down and sat down out side of the house. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:01:45 AM EDT
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They don't always take the guns. Or even most of the time. Or even frequently or with regularity.
The circumstances under which they are have already been covered by another poster. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:02:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I never interview women in the kitchen or the sewing room/area. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What do you do with the kitchen knives, baseball bats, hammers, screwdrivers, lamps, candlesticks, etc? Women, etc. I never interview women in the kitchen or the sewing room/area.  My ex was infamous for calling the law at every disagreement where I raised my voice. Even tho she would point them out and even open the safe, never had a single officer touch or take any of my weapons. They simply moved us outside and sorted it out! Usually ending in her leaving and them telling me to divorce the nut job  |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:02:44 AM EDT
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Because they can, and we can't do anything about it.
Also, there is an ever-present, implicit threat of deadly force. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:03:23 AM EDT
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where i come from, they usually take them to pin them on some other punk for intel, lest they catch an unlawful possession charge. but thats just the cops in Chicago. thats why i keep mine in a safe in a locked room. then they need a warrant..
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:05:16 AM EDT
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When watching the news reports of the cops going in to a house for anything, (domestic dispute, warrants, burglary investigation, illegal searches…etc) the first thing they look for are guns? If the gun is owned legally by a person in the house and not used in anyway related why would they seize the guns? …they don’t take the TV or DVR or car or the kitchen knife set. Why is law enforcement so infatuated with taking all the guns out of a house first thing? Just asking... So they can sell them on EE. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:05:17 AM EDT
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is there a reason to be padded down AND cuffed? See This and This I am going to correct the number. The link I got it from didn't differentiate from injuries or deaths..stand by. When you look at the data that the FBI puts together, DD's are some of the most dangerous calls...I don't blame locals one bit for wanting to secure or at least know where the weapons are. Don't want to tell me where the gun is, fine you are getting cuffed, patted down and sat down out side of the house. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There are close to 50 deaths so far this year of LEO's that have been shot during domestic disturbance calls. Cite your source. I find this hard to believe. is there a reason to be padded down AND cuffed? See This and This I am going to correct the number. The link I got it from didn't differentiate from injuries or deaths..stand by. When you look at the data that the FBI puts together, DD's are some of the most dangerous calls...I don't blame locals one bit for wanting to secure or at least know where the weapons are. Don't want to tell me where the gun is, fine you are getting cuffed, patted down and sat down out side of the house. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:09:54 AM EDT
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There are close to 50 deaths so far this year of LEO's that have been shot during domestic disturbance calls. Who's tripping? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Power trips. There are close to 50 deaths so far this year of LEO's that have been shot during domestic disturbance calls. Who's tripping? Got the figure for number of dogs shot by LEOs?
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:13:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh. I remember the cops telling my stepfather to leave after I called them about him beating up my mom. They let him load up all of his guns and most(if not all) of my guns and then drive out of there drunk with a warning not to come back. Fortunately he didn't decide to come back and kill us later. I can certainly see why cops would take guns in certain situations. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:14:50 AM EDT
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Because they can, and we can't do anything about it. Also, there is an ever-present, implicit threat of deadly force. I'm sure that's what the antis feel about OCers and CCWers. |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:16:18 AM EDT
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Hey....cut them some slack....They can't afford to BUY their throw-downs!!!!!
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:19:26 AM EDT
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Uhhhh, yeah. Going in on a DV call, warrant service etc...it's dangerous. I want to know who is in the house, where in the house and if there are any weapons. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When watching the news reports of the cops going in to a house for anything, (domestic dispute, warrants, burglary investigation, illegal searches…etc) the first thing they look for are guns? If the gun is owned legally by a person in the house and not used in anyway related why would they seize the guns? …they don’t take the TV or DVR or car or the kitchen knife set. Why is law enforcement so infatuated with taking all the guns out of a house first thing? Just asking... Uhhhh, yeah. Going in on a DV call, warrant service etc...it's dangerous. I want to know who is in the house, where in the house and if there are any weapons. I've never seen them seize kitchen knives, scissors, hammers, cleavers, axes, wasp spray, or any of the myriad of other 'weapons' that are in most houses. It seems odd to claim you are interested in weapons, but, only one specific type. I have no doubt it is dangerous to go to a DV call, but it seems to be a gaping hole in the 'find any weapons' policy when you are only inspecting guns. TRG |
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:19:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hey....cut them some slack....They can't afford to BUY their throw-downs!!!!! So a lot of them have the mindset of "that could be ours" when deciding to take guns away. Unfortunately too many cops have a jealousy complex.
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:20:18 AM EDT
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I never interview women in the kitchen or the sewing room/area. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What do you do with the kitchen knives, baseball bats, hammers, screwdrivers, lamps, candlesticks, etc? Women, etc. I never interview women in the kitchen or the sewing room/area. Let me just say, if she spent more time in either of those two places, you wouldn't be there in the first place... TRG |
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