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Posted: 10/30/2004 9:53:51 PM EDT
Like it says. Why do you personally think we're in Iraq?
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 9:59:47 PM EDT
because afganistian was tooooo easy
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 10:02:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/30/2004 10:03:09 PM EDT by Thor21]
To set up a base of opperations because Saudi Arabia has gone to shit. After the Royal Family is overthrown by terrorists we just take back Saudi Arabia by force.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 10:02:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
Like it says. Why do you personally think we're in Iraq?

How 'bout you tell us what YOU think about it, first. I'll put as much effort into it as you do.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 10:05:08 PM EDT
This is EASY.
Afghanistan is on the OTHER side of IRAN!

When I told my Wife that, she thought I was a military genius.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 10:06:08 PM EDT
WELL AFTER BEING BANNED FOR SO LONG. TO WIN THE HEARTS AND MINDS OF THE PEOPLE..
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 10:06:49 PM EDT
KERRY MADE ME SAY IT ALONG WITH THE MODS.....BS
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 10:07:02 PM EDT
1) It gives us a base of operations where we can attack wherever, however and whomever we wish in the region.
2) Serve as a magnet to attract and concentrate terrorists from around the world.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 10:07:28 PM EDT
^
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 10:09:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By rayra:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
Like it says. Why do you personally think we're in Iraq?

How 'bout you tell us what YOU think about it, first. I'll put as much effort into it as you do.



Fair enough.
To remove a hostile, dangerous dictator who posed a serious threat to the safety of America due to invovlement with terrorist organizations and a military which could provide weapons of war to these terrorist organizations.
Your turn.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 10:10:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Thor21:
^



I know your not referring to me....
Sooo, whos the troll? Tell me tell me!!
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 10:11:04 PM EDT
because bush wanted to beat his dad.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 10:13:20 PM EDT
I truely believe there are two reasons that we are in Iraq. Both cannot be said publicly either for PC reasons or its best left to "actions or stronger than words".

1) While the whole world watched AND MORE IMPORTANTLY while the Muslim world watched we quickly dispatched the one of the reigon's most powerful standing armies as well as captured a Arab tyrant and killed his sons. We are powerful and will focus that power directly at our enemies.

2) It is important that we have a "beach head" for the War on Terror where we have no restrictions but just as important is the location. Iraq is the ideal location.

LB
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 10:14:05 PM EDT
Saddam was spitting in our face for thirteen years. So we put an end to it. And to give ourselves a military presence over there to tell everyone else not to fuck with us.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 10:17:10 PM EDT
I never thought about establishing a presence through Iraq. Didnt we assure ourselves a "presence" (Or at least a base of operations) with Kuwait? Also, wouldnt Isreal be friendly with us if we needed a base of operations, such that we could use their facilities?
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 10:23:33 PM EDT
NO
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 10:28:20 PM EDT
1.) To bring freedom to a country that has been oppressed by a tyrannical menace.
2.) To prevent said menace from attempting, again, to gain control of a third of the world's oil supply.
3.) To prevent said menace from using existing weapons of mass destruction.
4.) To prevent said menace from acquiring/developing further weapons of mass destruction.
5.) To prevent said menace from harboring terrorists and sponsoring terrorist activities.
6.) To establish a model to the Middle East states that shows democracy has its place in the region.
7.) Because no other government had the means or initiative to do it without us.

These are onbly seven reasons that I believe support our country's commitment, and are not meant to be displayed here in any priority.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 10:30:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By Thor21:
^



I know your not referring to me....
Sooo, whos the troll? Tell me tell me!!



Find a mirror.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 10:30:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
Like it says. Why do you personally think we're in Iraq?



It's a grand scheme to cut off the supply of terror recruits by liberating & democratizing the middle east...

Think 'domino theory', but we're the ones knocking over the first domino this time, instead of trying to prop it up like we were in Vietnam.

The objective is a 'free' Middle East, where the political and economic conditions are such that 'Blame America & Israel' is not the response to every social & economic problem, and where people have better things to do (like make money) than attack the USA...

I feel that unlike many members of this board, the leaders of this nation have (fortunately) managed to avoid seeing Islam as 'the problem', and recognize that the religeon itself is not the threat, and that if we reform the governments of ME countries, that the Western & Muslim worlds can go back to coexisting as they did prior to the rise of the PLO & global Arab/Islamic terrorisim.

If we stay the course, Iraq will become a political & economic example to the rest of the region, and the power of freedom & capitalisim will do the rest...

This is a war we win by re-shaping the world in our image - the more countries we can release from tyranny, the more places become hostile to the ideology that Al Queda & friends are peddling, and terrorisim will fade away like Communisim or Nazisim - all we have to do is 'poison the well' and our culture (the 'poison') will defeat the terrorist ideology...

Much easier than answering OBL's call for 'holy war' with a 'holy war' of our own (force them to fight on our terms), or playing the Scary Kerry route & treating it as a LE problem (eg running away scared - all that does is help the problem grow)....
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 10:31:19 PM EDT
because Babylon must be rebuilt, become a great commercial/financial city and then be destroyed in one hour.

Link Posted: 10/30/2004 10:33:07 PM EDT
Because it personally scares me when a Man can take Dictator ship in a country that is so inriched in what the world wants! And I'm not talking Noriago or Cocaine,or just oil,we are also talking the Poppy fields that were soon to be his also! But just in the oil for money(he deals with the world gets the money) supposed to be food for oil?

All the money went to the Dictator whom has connections to the Libians,Sadis,Japan,Germany,France whom really knows how many conections to the World powers for pipelines of oil!


His and what he wanted to steal from Kawait! But we are talking the work up of a World leader in Terror and death that makes Hitler seam quite novel! Plus by the total control of the Earths supply of oil to forieng counties like Japan,Europe and such he would make himself a World Power!


We can open up all the capped wells in Pennsyvania,Tulsa,Texas and with the Alaska Pipeline provide enough oil for us!!! But thats not the whole problem the Whole world must have oil not just us!

And in providing the rest of the World with oil,Sadam would cut us off again!


We would become isonationalist again! Hell we had to get bombed to get out of that feeling! Hey everything is great here lets don't get our nose over there!


So this Dictator has these under ground bunkers with gas suits generators,thousands of beds ,water purifing units ready(ready for what)!

George Bush one was wise not to follow him into Bagdad in 1991,as he had and was ready to start a Nuke or gas war with us!


But he brutilized his people and his family! We shut his ass down before he could brutilize the World!!

We were fucked when we didn't go right off the git go, cause he hauled all his WMD and explosives right across the border to Syria(guess what thats Bin Ladins home)!

So we will see them again,or the people of that country will!


So if we stop this asshole now over there it will be a starting place!

The muslams are 90 percent for us! WHAHOO well dude there are 2 billion of them so with just a ten percent of them being radical thats 200 million that we are going to have to fight!!!


So we can do it here and there,or we can do it here!


And be aware this is not just about Iraq this is Affgan,Syria,Eguipt!!!


Where ever muslams feel that they must assimalate us!!!


Bob
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 10:35:08 PM EDT
to finish what the UN started but was to chicken shit to go all the way
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 10:37:31 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 10:42:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bastiat:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By Thor21:
^



I know your not referring to me....
Sooo, whos the troll? Tell me tell me!!



Find a mirror.



I always thought the trolls were the guys who cant answer a simple question. Its sad you dont have the depth of character to give an answer. Scared?
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 10:42:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By llanero:
1) It gives us a base of operations where we can attack wherever, however and whomever we wish in the region.
2) Serve as a magnet to attract and concentrate terrorists from around the world.



+1 Why is it so hard for people to understand?
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 10:46:08 PM EDT
A base for operations against Iran & Syria down the road. Iraq is also the 2nd largest oil supply behind Saudi Arabia. It'll make a good gas station once we get it stabilized.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 10:46:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By bastiat:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By Thor21:
^



I know your not referring to me....
Sooo, whos the troll? Tell me tell me!!



Find a mirror.



I always thought the trolls were the guys who cant answer a simple question. Its sad you dont have the depth of character to give an answer. Scared?



No, I just don't stoop to playing the troll's game.

Link Posted: 10/30/2004 10:47:17 PM EDT
The Bush Dynasty has a lot of vested interest in midlle easter oil.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 10:48:50 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 10:50:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bastiat:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By bastiat:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By Thor21:
^



I know your not referring to me....
Sooo, whos the troll? Tell me tell me!!



Find a mirror.



I always thought the trolls were the guys who cant answer a simple question. Its sad you dont have the depth of character to give an answer. Scared?



No, I just don't stoop to playing the troll's game.




Fair enough. Your scared. You dont have to dance around, just come out and say
"I have no balls, and I'm afraid of the question"
If you took as much time trying to look intelligent as you did trying to be a badass, you'd see I've not flamed one person for there response, and have only offered my response when asked why i felt that.
So really, YOUR the troll since you cant answer a simple question and are trying to look cool.
Your such a badass e-thug. I'm jealous. Course, I'm damned glad I dont have your amazing powers of speech and logic, because if I did I couldnt answer simple questions......
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 11:03:12 PM EDT
i just hate to think it might cost Bush the election
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 11:22:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By rogerdodger:
i just hate to think it might cost Bush the election



Roger is Bush loses this election it will be just as it should be! In by saying that I have lived through many years with a Dem at the wheel! Ive have been a registered Democrat since 1968 and have never voted a party ticket!


I have waisted a Vote for George Wallace,George Mc Govern,and Would have Voted for Adila Stevenson! But when BJClinton(no kidding his name William Jefferson Clinton) ran I have voted Rep from then on!

And I will survive if Kerry wins! I just will have too adjust!

But God help us mybe GWB will get elected!! Believe me I am not happy with MANY things he has done!


And if anyone at all were running against him he would be toast!!


But we must live with that what we cannot change!!


Bob
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 11:28:41 PM EDT
i hear ya

voter turnout seems to be the key

experts seem to be saying a big turnout will help Kerry.

what do the experts know?
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 9:20:11 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 9:38:51 AM EDT
Bush wanted to establish his place in history as "defending the U.S. from terror". He needs a war to do that. Afghanistan was running dry, so he went after the man who threatened to kill his father (Bush made reference to this aspect at least once while defending the Iraq invasion) and created a new war to shift the focus. Bush now wants to keep his job to maintain power and attempt to complete the establishment of his name in history. If we pull out of Iraq, Bush has a good chance of going down as a failure. If we win, Bush will be a hero for all time. Image is everything in D.C.
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 9:40:55 AM EDT
BIIIIIIIG OIIIIIIIL!!!
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 9:41:59 AM EDT
Iraq is a jump off point. It will be the base of operations for Iran and Syria.
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 10:52:20 AM EDT
So Cheneys buddies at Halliburton can get rich.



Jeez, don't you guys read the papers?
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 11:58:48 AM EDT
To maintain a dominant presence in the middle east, thereby ensuring peace and security amongst countries where our nation's oil production interests are at stake, as well as the safety of Israel.

Link Posted: 10/31/2004 12:00:01 PM EDT
To make us safer (LOL). Yeah that worked.
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 12:10:24 PM EDT
So Bush could settle his personal family score, and he's using taxpayer money to do it.

Link Posted: 10/31/2004 12:11:34 PM EDT
For the cheap oil! See it worked!

right?
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 5:43:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By rayra:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
Like it says. Why do you personally think we're in Iraq?

How 'bout you tell us what YOU think about it, first. I'll put as much effort into it as you do.



Fair enough.
To remove a hostile, dangerous dictator who posed a serious threat to the safety of America due to invovlement with terrorist organizations and a military which could provide weapons of war to these terrorist organizations.
Your turn.

You said it just fine. I agree completely. And the added benefits of freeing 25 million people, destroying half of the Ba'ath Socialist Party and Saddam's Stalinist regime, and plopping a nascent Democracy right smack dab in the middle of a half-dozen Islamofascist Dictatorships are all a Plus as well.
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 6:50:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Phil_A_Steen:
To make us safer (LOL). Yeah that worked.



Yeah, it has. It's worked brilliantly, as a matter of fact.

All the terrorist shitheads have gone to iraq like roaches to a roach motel.

That's where our guys have machine guns and body armor.

Instead of them going to one of our schools like they did in beslan. Or a mall. Or any other one of the millions of soft targets in the USA.

Where would you rather fight them? Or would you rather stick your head in the sand and not fight them at all?
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 6:52:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Specop_007:


Fair enough. Your scared. You dont have to dance around, just come out and say
"I have no balls, and I'm afraid of the question"
If you took as much time trying to look intelligent as you did trying to be a badass, you'd see I've not flamed one person for there response, and have only offered my response when asked why i felt that.
So really, YOUR the troll since you cant answer a simple question and are trying to look cool.
Your such a badass e-thug. I'm jealous. Course, I'm damned glad I dont have your amazing powers of speech and logic, because if I did I couldnt answer simple questions......



My scared what?

Simply, you're a troll. The quality of your posts indicates it. You want attention. You won't see logical arguments clearly and engage in a debate. You'll just blather on and on in order to get more attention. Shit, you've been here two months and you have more posts than people who have been here two years. Go to a movie or get a girlfiend.
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 7:46:49 PM EDT
Because we did not have a good reason to invade Turkmenistan, Pakistan, or Turkey....
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 7:53:25 PM EDT
1) Remove a known terrorist supporter with a track record of WMD usage.

2) Implant ourselves in an area that allows the US to draw wahhabis & other extremists into the killzone from Saudi Arabia and surrounding areas.
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 7:55:25 PM EDT
To essablish a strong military presence in the Mid_east which will help protect our economy and prtect our safety.

SGat1r5
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 8:11:40 PM EDT
So we don't have to fight it HERE.
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 8:20:19 PM EDT
We are fighting the 'war' in Iraq to stablize or at least slow down the devaluation of the Federal Reserve Note.

When the majority of 'baby boomers' retire, and expect the benefits that the Gov't allowed to be put into legislation, the value of the dollar will plummet as they print more to fill the hole.

Babylon has already been built again, we are watching it fall now.

The unrighteous mammon always falls.
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 8:21:10 PM EDT
I would say that there are a lot of good reasons to do it.
But I hardly see anyone doing it just for the oil!
I would say because it needed to be done.
Although why would the religious fanatics travel to the USA, when they can go to Iraq and fight in a third world country where some people will support you rather than being a stranger in a strange land.
Who would you rather they fight our military or us.
Although some would help them here too.


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