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Posted: 10/10/2005 4:17:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/10/2005 4:27:11 PM EDT by FortyFiveAutomatic]
The other thread with the tubby kid got me thinking -- what's so bad about airsoft anyway?  It reminds me of the days when I used to play paintball, only it seems a lot more sophisticated and with realistic weapons.  It looks fun, and you can probably learn a lot about small-unit combat, not to mention mimic scenarios that you might encounter with your real-life weapons (force-on-force value).  For those non-military or militia types, it seems like airsoft could be a valuable training tool for learning how to deal with situations that might require the application of firearms and tactics.  And if not for the idea that you might get something like that out of it, I reiterate that it looks like fun.  Some people say that they prefer shooting their real guns, but you can't very well shoot your buddies in a game with them.  What say you?  Poll coming.

ETA: I am not against airsoft, but it seems to me that the general ARFCOM consensus is that it sucks.  I wanted to examine why.  If you don't hate it, simply vote Other.
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 4:21:54 PM EDT
Perhaps an "I don't." option would be good?
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 4:22:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/10/2005 4:24:28 PM EDT by FieroLoki]
I dont hate it. I play and I enjoy it. It's fun and gets me outside off this damn PC.

Edit: It's also good exercise, just dont have an option to play right now.

On your option "They are poseurs and should just enlist."  You do know alot of then are still in school right?
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 4:25:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FiveO:
Perhaps an "I don't." option would be good?



Big +1
I don't hate them at all.
I recognize them for what they are.
Toys.
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 4:25:50 PM EDT
I don't hate "airsoft" but I am annoyed at enthusiasts who insist it's some type of realistic training for war

If they just said they were "playing" it would be cool... hell, all big kids like toys!

But it's the constant barrage of ads in SGN, and the like that make me wanna
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 4:27:15 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 4:36:33 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 4:36:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FiveO:
Perhaps an "I don't." option would be good?



+1 don't care for rather than don't like, just like I don't care for country&western music
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 4:38:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By wganz:

Originally Posted By FiveO:
Perhaps an "I don't." option would be good?



+1 don't care for rather than don't like, just like I don't care for country&western music

+2
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 4:41:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FiveO:
Perhaps an "I don't." option would be good?



+1

Just fine for kids.

Perfectly acceptable as a goofing off option or even for limited training applications.

The posers are annoying but you can find them EVERYWHERE including the real gun crowd.

I don't completely understand $500+ airsoft rigs, but I also don't understand $5,000+ skeet guns completely either.

Bout the ONLY objection I can come up with is that it is filling the void in the declining firearms market. But I think we'd all resent whatever filled that void to some degree.
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 4:44:53 PM EDT
Because, airsoft is teh ghey.

Seriously, they pay just as much for that airsoft crap as we pay for the real thing. Why don't they get em some real big boy toys and sim rounds and have some real fun?

Airsofters have adult sized and priced toys with a 10 year old mentality.

Screw that crap! Get the real stuff. Hehe.

Link Posted: 10/10/2005 4:57:21 PM EDT
+1 on dont care.
Let em play. I played paint ball with my friends. I still remember having to pump my pistol for each shot. Last year I was in Cali and went and played with my nephew and his friends and those paint guns shoot real fast. I would almost say faster than real guns. They sting like shit too. I think of airsoft as paint ball of yesterday. (though its is pretty expensive)
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 4:58:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MilTrainInstructor:
(though its is pretty expensive)




I spent less on Airsoft than I did on paintball. And less mess.
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 5:00:41 PM EDT
I don't.
Unless they are annoying me, live and let live.
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 5:03:36 PM EDT
i don't think there is anything "bad" about them.

they are a tool.  nothing more.
i can't go to the range and shoot the real guns every day but i can dump a mag or two thru my airsoft.  not 100% but nothing short of force on force is.  
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 5:08:55 PM EDT
Its the 900 ACOG mounted on the $1000.00 air rifle that gets me?
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 5:09:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/10/2005 5:12:14 PM EDT by Triumph955i]
I don't.

however, i think the sport takes away from safe handling with real firearms.

i have known people that are into airsoft and belive they practice safety with firearms.....however, from my experiance, they are the most dangerous when taken to a range with a real gun.

I don't hate airsoft. i dislike the lack of safety with real firearms.

If you are playing with a toy, finger on the trigger and muzzle sweep are fine. but do that to me with a firearm....I'll poke you with a Real yugo 59\66 bayonet.
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 5:09:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/10/2005 5:10:11 PM EDT by USMC88-93]
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 5:20:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Triumph955i:
If you are playing with a toy, finger on the trigger and muzzle sweep are fine. but do that to me with a firearm....I'll poke you with a Real yugo 59\66 bayonet.



No, it's not fine, and I make that point to people I see doing it when I'm playing paintball.  People have lost eyes that way, and I got the everloving shit shot out of me at pointblank range by my friend's kid when he was attempting to put his paintball gun on safe.  The modern guns can fire damn fast, and have HAIR triggers, which is how they can attain 15+ shots a second semi-auto.  At a field I often play at, a doctor (supposed to be smart) shot his friend in the eye at pointblank range while horsing around in the parking lot.  Due to the general lack of safe handling procedures I've witnessed, I keep my goggles on even in the staging areas.
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 5:23:33 PM EDT
To the airsoft guys: What kind of range and accuracy do they really have?  I'm familiar with the accuracy of paintball guns. (shitty)

Also, how do you deal with cheating?  In paintball it's usually obvious when you're hit.  With airsoft, no mark is made, and geared up the way those guys are I wonder if they'd even feel it.
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 5:27:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
Because, airsoft is teh ghey.

Seriously, they pay just as much for that airsoft crap as we pay for the real thing. Why don't they get em some real big boy toys and sim rounds and have some real fun?

Airsofters have adult sized and priced toys with a 10 year old mentality.

Screw that crap! Get the real stuff. Hehe.




But if I'm not mistaken their rifles cost less.  Their accessories, knock-offs mostly, also cost less.

I understand your point, though, they do put in a lot of money.  The question I have for you is: Where can civilians get sim rounds?
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 5:37:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FieroLoki:
I dont hate it. I play and I enjoy it. It's fun and gets me outside off this damn PC.

Edit: It's also good exercise, just dont have an option to play right now.

On your option "They are poseurs and should just enlist."  You do know alot of then are still in school right?



+1, that, and not all of us can enlist for any number of reasons.  Half blind and with back and joint problems over here, which is why I'm not in.  With that said, I think some other airsofters get carried away with the gear, I like to keep it simple.  I wear a cheap copy of a standard M88 type vest with some woodland camo BDU's (my good old set I had back when I was in JROTC).  I don't usually carry a sidearm when I play (airsoft replica of a Sigma, which, ironically, is a very good gun, unlike the real Sigma) and I wear a replica of the standard GI Kevlar helmet, with a woodland camo cover.  I don't generally carry a knife because there isn't much point.  Basically, you need your BDU's, your weapon, and a means to carry extra mags, and a flashlight for night stuff.  For eye protection, I either wear safety sunglasses or goggles.  No need to get all high-strung on the gear, and most of that stuff will just slow you down anyway, esp holsters and things that strap to your thigh.  All I know is, when playing airsoft, beware of the guy who is wearing a minimum amount of gear, because he's probably faster and more stealthy than the other players.  
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 5:37:23 PM EDT
personly I dont give a shit.
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 5:42:27 PM EDT
I don't like..

Air
&
Soft

I like

Gunpowder
&
Hard

Taffy
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 5:43:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/10/2005 5:46:54 PM EDT by Bob1984]

Originally Posted By TheSneak:
To the airsoft guys: What kind of range and accuracy do they really have?  I'm familiar with the accuracy of paintball guns. (shitty)

Also, how do you deal with cheating?  In paintball it's usually obvious when you're hit.  With airsoft, no mark is made, and geared up the way those guys are I wonder if they'd even feel it.



Accuracy of a M4A1 AEG...I get 1/2 to 1 inch groups at 10 yards (30 feet),  ETA: my groups are from a standing position, and airsoft guns are acrually more accurate on auto than semi (up to 10 shot automatic bursts before you start drifting on paper). it is very possible to hit a person in the torso with a single aimed shot with an AEG or spring rifle from 100 feet.  I have actually heard some airsoft guns can reach up to 200-300 feet (100 yards), but I don't know if this is BS or not.  I've been able to hit things like squirrels (scaring them off because they were trashing my mom's plants) out to about 30-40 feet and it was fairly easy.  They're accurate enough and easier to shoot than your typical pellet gun.  As for cheating, you have to use the honor system.  If someone doesn't respond to being hit once, keep hitting them until they notice.  If they never notice, then you and your buddies let them know after the game and they'll either pay more attention next time or they can go play with somebody else.  Airsoft is way better than paintbaill.  Airsoft guns don't jam very much at all and are very easy to clear when they do, paintball guns are not, and airsoft guns are significantly more accurate and easier to shoot.  Better ergonomics, too.  I like it how paintball guns have recoil, but I also like things to be more realistic and I like to hit what I shoot at, and airsoft does that.  
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 5:43:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FiveO:
Perhaps an "I don't." option would be good?



+1

I dont hate them. I do think a lot of the pics are funny though.
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 5:46:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Taffy223:
I don't like..

Air
&
Soft

I like

Gunpowder
&
Hard

Taffy



Good answer.  Sig line material, even!
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 5:47:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FortyFiveAutomatic:

Originally Posted By Taffy223:
I don't like..

Air
&
Soft

I like

Gunpowder
&
Hard

Taffy



Good answer.  Sig line material, even!




That would be a tall sig line...
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 5:53:01 PM EDT
I have nothing against Airsoft, now some of the people who play it take it to far(Medals etc:) and I hate those that try to but into REAL gun conversation and talk about their "Toys" but it is just good fun IMO

Since I CANT have a G36 I plan on getting an Airsoft for 40 bucks to "Play" with in the backyard, Why NOT
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 5:58:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheTacticalSolution:
I've never played airsoft, but I played quite a bit of paintball when I was younger and had more time. I think airsoft would be a lot of fun and the guns are hella cooler than paintball guns. It's just a game and I think that people that hate it just one the basis of what it is have issues.

Those guys spend a lot of money on their toys and could easily buy a real gun without being out too much more cash, but you can't really shoot all of your buddies with a real M4.

I say, let em play!



+1

Haven't played paintball in years because it got too expensive.
Airsoft does look like fun.  
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 7:25:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/10/2005 7:32:10 PM EDT by EternalVigilance]

Originally Posted By NonConformist:
I have nothing against Airsoft, now some of the people who play it take it to far(Medals etc:) and I hate those that try to but into REAL gun conversation and talk about their "Toys" but it is just good fun IMO

Since I CANT have a G36 I plan on getting an Airsoft for 40 bucks to "Play" with in the backyard, Why NOT





Yeah I have a fat buddy at work who has been trying to get me to play airsoft with him.  He is always butting in on our gun conversations.  finally I agreed to look at his airsoft guns, man were they gay.  He says they are "mil-spec".    i told him that I would rather spend my money on real guns.  He says "we use real tactics and everything".  i don't see how you can use real tactics with guns that don't even have sights and probably can't hit shit out past 50 yards or so.  How exaxtly does suppressive fire work with an airsoft gun again?

 He says sarcastically to me something to the effect of "its good that you go shoot your guns, but you don't get the realistic tactics training that i get by playing airsoft."

I asked him if he had ever read FM 7-8.  
He looks at me like "huh?".

I'm no fucking rambo, but I garauntee you that, considering the fact that he doesnt own and use REAL weapons, I don't see how the fuck his little airsoft shit is going to help him.  


It is much more likely that you will need to use your firearms, if ever, against common criminals.  i don't see where squad level infantry tactics comes in there.  If you want to learn that shit, great.  Me, I'll stick with IPSC, IDPA, etc.  Eventually I will go to some schools and be taught some basics by professionals.  Training is all fine and good.  I just don't see how learning squad level infantry stuff from people who don't know what the fuck they are doing, by playing with airsoft guns, when you don't even know how to use a real fucking firearm and are a fat piece of shit, is going to do you any good.

Link Posted: 10/10/2005 7:31:01 PM EDT
How about "because they refer to firearms as 'real steel'"?

Honestly I wouldn't say "hate" at all, but it is easy to laugh at a lot of hose pictures.
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 7:37:08 PM EDT
Many Airsofters like to think their stuff is the real thing, essentially.


They will often misportray themselves on this board, talking about how good a piece of gear is - just to find out they are talking about airsoft.


Think about RC car model guys talking about suspension settings and shock oils on a real car racing board, only to find out many posts later they are talking about toys.  
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 7:40:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Taffy223:
I don't like..

Air
&
Soft

I like

Gunpowder
&
Hard

Taffy



Heheh, yeah.  I can't fathom buying an airgun that shoots these little plastic pellets that costs nearly as much as the real deal.  Not my bag, but I don't care if it's yours.

I still crack up when I see the picture of the 'Airsoft Special Ops' kids kneeling to 'mourn their fallen comrade'.  Wow.  It's stuff like that that makes them laughable (although I can't really hate them, not legitimately).
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 7:42:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Doucheatron3000:


I still crack up when I see the picture of the 'Airsoft Special Ops' kids kneeling to 'mourn their fallen comrade'.  Wow.  It's stuff like that that makes them laughable (although I can't really hate them, not legitimately).




Don't forget their "knife kills"   and their "fallen comrade" ceremonials
Link Posted: 10/10/2005 8:07:21 PM EDT
I don't hate them ....
<­BR>

Link Posted: 10/10/2005 8:09:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By EternalVigilance:

Originally Posted By NonConformist:
I have nothing against Airsoft, now some of the people who play it take it to far(Medals etc:) and I hate those that try to but into REAL gun conversation and talk about their "Toys" but it is just good fun IMO

Since I CANT have a G36 I plan on getting an Airsoft for 40 bucks to "Play" with in the backyard, Why NOT





Yeah I have a fat buddy at work who has been trying to get me to play airsoft with him.  He is always butting in on our gun conversations.  finally I agreed to look at his airsoft guns, man were they gay.  He says they are "mil-spec".    i told him that I would rather spend my money on real guns.  He says "we use real tactics and everything".  i don't see how you can use real tactics with guns that don't even have sights and probably can't hit shit out past 50 yards or so.  How exaxtly does suppressive fire work with an airsoft gun again?

 He says sarcastically to me something to the effect of "its good that you go shoot your guns, but you don't get the realistic tactics training that i get by playing airsoft."

I asked him if he had ever read FM 7-8.  
He looks at me like "huh?".

I'm no fucking rambo, but I garauntee you that, considering the fact that he doesnt own and use REAL weapons, I don't see how the fuck his little airsoft shit is going to help him.  


It is much more likely that you will need to use your firearms, if ever, against common criminals.  i don't see where squad level infantry tactics comes in there.  If you want to learn that shit, great.  Me, I'll stick with IPSC, IDPA, etc.  Eventually I will go to some schools and be taught some basics by professionals.  Training is all fine and good.  I just don't see how learning squad level infantry stuff from people who don't know what the fuck they are doing, by playing with airsoft guns, when you don't even know how to use a real fucking firearm and are a fat piece of shit, is going to do you any good.




that's what I believe right there whole heartedly, +1
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