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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:13:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:15:14 PM EDT
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Why didn't they help randy weaver? White family under attack by the government right in their backyard and they didn't do anything. I just finished watching "AMERICAN EXPERIENCE Ruby Ridge" on PBS 53:11Video duration: 53:11 Aired: 02/14/17 Expires: 03/13/17Rating: NRVideo has closed captioning. Drawing upon eyewitness accounts, including interviews with Weaver’s daughter, Sara, and federal agents involved in the confrontation, Ruby Ridge is a riveting account of the event that helped give rise to the modern American militia movement. Full video online here: http://www.pbs.org/video/2365956179/ go on. . . . . |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:16:46 PM EDT
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Huh?
What are you on about OP? |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:18:56 PM EDT
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Huh?
What are you on about OP? In the video it says he lived very close to several heavily armed white supremacist groups just wondering why they didn't offer to provide security or anything like that. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:20:53 PM EDT
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I was really busy that week.
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:21:23 PM EDT
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In the video it says he lived very close to several heavily armed white supremacist groups just wondering why they didn't offer to provide security or anything like that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Huh?
What are you on about OP? In the video it says he lived very close to several heavily armed white supremacist groups just wondering why they didn't offer to provide security or anything like that. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:21:46 PM EDT
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Boggle tournament week at the compound, probably.
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:23:44 PM EDT
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Why would a bunch of federal agents do that?
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:23:49 PM EDT
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Because the FBI was already there.
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:25:12 PM EDT
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Lol just saw the last thread. So what do you guys think of Timothy Mcveigh?
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:33:09 PM EDT
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Why didn't they help randy weaver? White family under attack by the government right in their backyard and they didn't do anything. I just finished watching "AMERICAN EXPERIENCE Ruby Ridge" on PBS Video duration: 53:11 Aired: 02/14/17 Expires: 03/13/17 Drawing upon eyewitness accounts, including interviews with Weaver’s daughter, Sara, and federal agents involved in the confrontation, Ruby Ridge is a riveting account of the event that helped give rise to the modern American militia movement. Full video online here: http://www.pbs.org/video/2365956179/ Because they knew what would happen. 
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:34:54 PM EDT
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Because they don't like killing low IQ inbred like fed LEO. Would be like shooting tards.
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:36:03 PM EDT
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1 in 3 militia members is a fed and the other 2 are informants
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:37:48 PM EDT
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Actually OP some did. A car load of them tried to get around the cordon to get to the Weaver family. They got stopped and I would assume loved tenderly.
If you scroll about 3 quarters of the way down this page there is a photo of the 88er's getting arrested by the JBT's. Ruby Ridge |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:39:50 PM EDT
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Actually OP some did. A car load of them tried to get around the cordon to get to the Weaver family. They got stopped and I would assume loved tenderly. Yep, that was actually discussed during the show (I watched it as well) |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:41:00 PM EDT
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1 in 3 militia members is a fed and the other 2 are informants This, white supremacist groups don't really exist to any real extent other than to keep some Feds busy. The whole white supremacist narrative is exaggerated and hysterical nonsense in order to fulfill a narrative and agenda. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:47:34 PM EDT
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I believe he classified himself as a white "separatist" words do mean things....post your sources...
American Experience NPR BS I watched the McVeigh piece last week and learned that the "Brady Bill" banned assault weapons 
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:48:17 PM EDT
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If you knew anything about him you would know he was attacked because he refused to be an informant against the skinhead types. He had checked them out, as neighbors are pretty scarce there, but didn't buy what they were selling. He had his own oddball beliefs, but they weren't rooted in white supremacy. They would not have viewed him as "one of them." LOTS of people showed up to protest but they were stopped far away and had no way to know the family was actually under attack. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What are you on about OP? In the video it says he lived very close to several heavily armed white supremacist groups just wondering why they didn't offer to provide security or anything like that. This, because his only REAL crime (he was acquitted by a jury or any crimes) was refusing to be an informant for the ATF. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:48:27 PM EDT
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This, white supremacist groups don't really exist to any real extent other than to keep some Feds busy. The whole white supremacist narrative is exaggerated and hysterical nonsense in order to fulfill a narrative and agenda. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1 in 3 militia members is a fed and the other 2 are informants This, white supremacist groups don't really exist to any real extent other than to keep some Feds busy. The whole white supremacist narrative is exaggerated and hysterical nonsense in order to fulfill a narrative and agenda. 
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:54:40 PM EDT
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If you knew anything about him you would know he was attacked because he refused to be an informant against the skinhead types. He had checked them out, as neighbors are pretty scarce there, but didn't buy what they were selling. He had his own oddball beliefs, but they weren't rooted in white supremacy. They would not have viewed him as "one of them." LOTS of people showed up to protest but they were stopped far away and had no way to know the family was actually under attack. Weaver referred to himself as a "white separatist"; he didn't believe in persecuting minorities, he just didn't want to mingle with them. He was a US army vet, and had no problem serving with minorities. he knew the white Aryan types, but didn't mingle with them either. and yes, the FBI ran a sting on Weaver to coerce him into being a mole with the skinheads for the Feds. I believe the feds actually tasked a satellite to get intel while those US Marshals were sneaking around on Weaver's land before they killed his 12 YO son. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:59:16 PM EDT
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Because they knew what would happen. http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/weaver/horiuchi.jpg http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/weaver/vickisurveiliso.JPG good old Lon Horiuchi. fucking murderer. i'm just surprised he only got Mom and missed the baby. I wonder where that piece of shit is hiding these days. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:01:18 PM EDT
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He was behind on his club dues...
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:05:09 PM EDT
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good old Lon Horiuchi. fucking murderer. i'm just surprised he only got Mom and missed the baby. I wonder where that piece of shit is hiding these days. Hanging around at Troy Industries HQ I bet. 
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:10:37 PM EDT
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Everyone wants to fight the government until it's time to do government fighting shit...
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:17:46 PM EDT
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Actually OP some did. A car load of them tried to get around the cordon to get to the Weaver family. They got stopped and I would assume loved tenderly. If you scroll about 3 quarters of the way down this page there is a photo of the 88er's getting arrested by the JBT's. Ruby Ridge This is what I remember as well. Plus, skinheads & members of WAR probably didn't have the infantry type skills to break though the governments cordon. Much less the hardware / firepower. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:21:01 PM EDT
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Hanging around at Troy Industries HQ I bet. or H-S Precision, sucking cocks. Horiuchi at H-S Precision |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:24:13 PM EDT
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This, white supremacist groups don't really exist to any real extent other than to keep some Feds busy. The whole white supremacist narrative is exaggerated and hysterical nonsense in order to fulfill a narrative and agenda. I totally agree. I was watching a show that was telling about a guy who was getting out of prison.(not a movie, but real life). He said he joined a white supremacy group while in prison so that the black gangs and other gangs would not gang bang him all the time. He did it for self preservation. Then he found out that they would not let him out of the group. The show said that most white supremacists were in prison. Not sure about the validity of the whole thing. It was on the ID channel. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:27:18 PM EDT
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Why didn't they help randy weaver? White family under attack by the government right in their backyard and they didn't do anything. I just finished watching "AMERICAN EXPERIENCE Ruby Ridge" on PBS Video duration: 53:11 Aired: 02/14/17 Expires: 03/13/17 Drawing upon eyewitness accounts, including interviews with Weaver’s daughter, Sara, and federal agents involved in the confrontation, Ruby Ridge is a riveting account of the event that helped give rise to the modern American militia movement. Full video online here: http://www.pbs.org/video/2365956179/
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:38:41 PM EDT
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Because the FBI was already there. 
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:41:49 PM EDT
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This, white supremacist groups don't really exist to any real extent other than to keep some Feds busy. The whole white supremacist narrative is exaggerated and hysterical nonsense in order to fulfill a narrative and agenda. 
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Posted: 2/16/2017 11:03:50 PM EDT
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Just watched it. Thanks OP.
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Posted: 2/16/2017 11:17:58 PM EDT
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IIRC the Feds had roadblocks set up on the roads approaching Ruby Ridge.
Skinheads were detained or sent packing |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 11:19:27 PM EDT
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Why didn't they help randy weaver? White family under attack by the government right in their backyard and they didn't do anything. I just finished watching "AMERICAN EXPERIENCE Ruby Ridge" on PBS Video duration: 53:11 Aired: 02/14/17 Expires: 03/13/17 Drawing upon eyewitness accounts, including interviews with Weaver’s daughter, Sara, and federal agents involved in the confrontation, Ruby Ridge is a riveting account of the event that helped give rise to the modern American militia movement. Full video online here: http://www.pbs.org/video/2365956179/ Ever notice how you can tell just from the wording that someone is ignorant and knows nothing of what they speak? LC |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 11:21:56 PM EDT
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There were plenty of guns at the protest at the bridge, both locals and out of town 88ers. A local guy I knew from work was present at the protests and he said he thought the day they announced Vicki Weaver had been killed there would be a gunfight so he camped down the road instead of his normal spot. The 88er's who got around the roadblock and were arrested got something like misdemeanor charges for trespassing or something silly, no serious charges. I lived in the area a few years afterwards and there were still bitter feelings about the whole ordeal by locals towards the Feds.
Weaver wasn't necessarily a good guy, he'd fucked some locals over on a land deal a few years earlier where he was a Trustee on a piece of timber property held in a Trust and either cashed out or logged the property. I don't think that warranted what he got , but he wasn't well liked by everyone in Boundary County. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 11:39:18 PM EDT
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For the same reason that others wouldn't come to your aid should the feds come to your door and take your guns, and/or your neighbor's guns.
They didn't want to get involved Not too many are willing to risk life and freedom for someone else, especially those with something to lose. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 11:42:47 PM EDT
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I was really busy that week. 
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Posted: 2/16/2017 11:47:17 PM EDT
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This, white supremacist groups don't really exist to any real extent other than to keep some Feds busy. The whole white supremacist narrative is exaggerated and hysterical nonsense in order to fulfill a narrative and agenda. They're a minority. I'm suprised the Democrats haven't tried to exploit them as one yet. Especially since Democrats are the originators of the white pointy hats... |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 2:46:25 AM EDT
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I believe he classified himself as a white "separatist" words do mean things.... Yeah that's the first thing that comes to mind seeing the thread title pop up. |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 2:51:40 AM EDT
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Why didn't they help randy weaver? White family under attack by the government right in their backyard and they didn't do anything. I just finished watching "AMERICAN EXPERIENCE Ruby Ridge" on PBS Video duration: 53:11 Aired: 02/14/17 Expires: 03/13/17 Drawing upon eyewitness accounts, including interviews with Weaver’s daughter, Sara, and federal agents involved in the confrontation, Ruby Ridge is a riveting account of the event that helped give rise to the modern American militia movement. Full video online here: http://www.pbs.org/video/2365956179/ |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 3:16:33 AM EDT
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There really aren't many "White supremacists" out there in the real world. The media likes to say there are, but.....
And back then, there wasn't the internet like there is today. So they were probably too drunk or high to pay attention to the evening news. |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 3:20:41 AM EDT
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For the same reason that others wouldn't come to your aid should the feds come to your door and take your guns, and/or your neighbor's guns. They didn't want to get involved Not too many are willing to risk life and freedom for someone else, especially those with something to lose. That is why we won't ever see another civil war. |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 3:34:23 AM EDT
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good old Lon Horiuchi. fucking murderer. i'm just surprised he only got Mom and missed the baby. I wonder where that piece of shit is hiding these days. He was a spokesman for HS Precision a little while back. |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 5:32:00 AM EDT
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I just watched the PBS documentry about the incident, it was defiantly pro Weavers side. I didnt really know much about it before, and I will say I was totally shocked at how the feds handled that whole thing. Very sad and awful with the killing of that boy amd mother, they were even wrong to shoot the dog. Did the sniper not confirm a kill after shooting the mother? That part i just dont understamd either. The other thing I cant belive, but i am happy about, was they were found not guilty. I mean fuck, he was kind a victim of entrapment in the first place. Its like each agency fucked up and passed the buck up causing more confusion. I can understand why people like my dad were so upset by this. I hope that the kids grew up without long term effects.
A Crazy story. 
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Posted: 2/17/2017 7:02:00 AM EDT
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Maybe because he was a dumbass that got his family killed.
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Posted: 2/17/2017 12:43:51 PM EDT
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If you knew anything about him you would know he was attacked because he refused to be an informant against the skinhead types. He had checked them out, as neighbors are pretty scarce there, but didn't buy what they were selling. He had his own oddball beliefs, but they weren't rooted in white supremacy. They would not have viewed him as "one of them." LOTS of people showed up to protest but they were stopped far away and had no way to know the family was actually under attack. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Huh?
What are you on about OP? In the video it says he lived very close to several heavily armed white supremacist groups just wondering why they didn't offer to provide security or anything like that. Him sawing off a shotgun barrel really short at the urging of some undercover feds did not help his case much either. |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 12:47:51 PM EDT
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Him sawing off a shotgun barrel really short at the urging of some undercover feds did not help his case much either. .25" could have simply been a measurement error. And he was acquitted of it. |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 12:49:14 PM EDT
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1 in 3 militia members is a fed and the other 2 are informants Sounds about right. |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 12:57:31 PM EDT
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There were plenty of guns at the protest at the bridge, both locals and out of town 88ers. A local guy I knew from work was present at the protests and he said he thought the day they announced Vicki Weaver had been killed there would be a gunfight so he camped down the road instead of his normal spot. The 88er's who got around the roadblock and were arrested got something like misdemeanor charges for trespassing or something silly, no serious charges. I lived in the area a few years afterwards and there were still bitter feelings about the whole ordeal by locals towards the Feds. Weaver wasn't necessarily a good guy, he'd fucked some locals over on a land deal a few years earlier where he was a Trustee on a piece of timber property held in a Trust and either cashed out or logged the property. I don't think that warranted what he got , but he wasn't well liked by everyone in Boundary County. Specially since he didn't get it, his wife and son did. But someone who would react to the feds the way he did is pretty hard, someone who wouldn't be inclined to deal easy with a neighbor just to get along. |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 12:59:33 PM EDT
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This, white supremacist groups don't really exist to any real extent other than to keep some Feds busy. The whole white supremacist narrative is exaggerated and hysterical nonsense in order to fulfill a narrative and agenda. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1 in 3 militia members is a fed and the other 2 are informants This, white supremacist groups don't really exist to any real extent other than to keep some Feds busy. The whole white supremacist narrative is exaggerated and hysterical nonsense in order to fulfill a narrative and agenda. This, it's 90% made up boogy men pushed by those masters of virtue at the SPLC; the rest is high functioning retards(actual white supremacist) and federal agents all from different agencies and none of them know the others are Feds |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 1:00:15 PM EDT
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.25" could have simply been a measurement error. And he was acquitted of it. What is the point of an SBS that is only 0.25" under legal? |
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