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Posted: 11/1/2006 8:30:58 AM EST
It seems like assassination has essentially stopped in 1st world countries where it used to be much more common and is still very prevalent in 3rd world countries including places as close as Mexico and the rest of central and south America.

Is it due to the greater prosperity, fear of repercussions, what?

Is it just that the sophistication of security for high level elected officials prevents attacks?

Even though we see very few attacks on high level officials, do local officials including state representatives, judges, council members etc not have enough clout to be worth the bother/consequences for the assassin?

In SoCal, we see many of our brush fires set by people who have been "wronged" by the county/fire dept/officials/etc, but those are more indirect in nature.

Thoughts?
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 8:32:36 AM EST
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 8:32:54 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2006 8:53:22 AM EST by wpnmkr]
Because generally, we are a peaceful people.

ETA- post 223- WOOT!
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 8:32:58 AM EST
2 pages, lock, and banishment to a desert island.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 8:34:19 AM EST
because pistol grips and teh 50BMG are now banned in cali-kazakh-fornia-stan

lol


all jokes aside; the western world is where it is because we dont stoop to the degenerative level of the third world; where when a political entity does not have the intellectual or financial resources to present their own idea or criticze that of others, they assasinate
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 8:34:26 AM EST
Even among the basest members of society I feel that we have, in general, a higher respect for life here in the West.

Note that political assassinations have taken off again in mother Russia.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 8:34:29 AM EST

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
We at least have John Effing sKerry promoting the idea as recently as last week.


I thought that was yesterday?
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 8:35:14 AM EST

Originally Posted By wpnmkr:
Because generally, we are a peaceful people.


The world technically is a safer place statistically as opposed to 100 or 50 years ago, so maybe you are correct in that this is simply an extension of that.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 8:36:14 AM EST
I would think most people who would have the skill and/or means to pull it off have too much to lose, considering you'd probably get caught. Also most people are just not crazy enough to want to go take someone's life because of a political matter.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 8:37:05 AM EST
Because westerners believe that we can solve our problems and political differences through the democratic process.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 8:37:52 AM EST
Assassaination is nearly impossible to get away with in most western countries.

A sniper with some serious long range capability may pull it off. Maybe even a very lucky bomber.

Mostly though, it is a lack of willingness to carry out an assassaination. Hundreds here would be thrilled to see Feinstien, Schumer, or the Clintons killed, but none will pull the trigger.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 8:47:56 AM EST
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 8:48:50 AM EST
Because we're not filthy savages.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 8:50:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
Because westerners believe that we can solve our problems and political differences through the democratic process.


Exactly - democracy is a release valve - if you can bitch and moan about something without fear of recrimination, you aren't as likely to go whack a politician.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 8:55:29 AM EST
the lizzards tail will just grow back again.

or

because we have cable and air conditioning


take your pick
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 8:56:38 AM EST

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:

Originally Posted By joker581:
Assassaination is nearly impossible to get away with in most western countries.

A sniper with some serious long range capability may pull it off. Maybe even a very lucky bomber.

Mostly though, it is a lack of willingness to carry out an assassaination. Hundreds here would be thrilled to see Feinstien, Schumer, or the Clintons killed, but none will pull the trigger.


I think more would dance in the streets if GWB were killed. I am a much greater fan and supporter of his because of WHO hates him and the high degree of loathing they have for him. I hate the people who hate him, ergo . . .
I meant here on this board.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 9:01:45 AM EST
I believe it is a result of a number of things. People in the “west” live in societies that are culturally advanced; they are educated and the western culture values each individual as a person. But more than anything, western peoples’ basic needs (food, shelter, etc.) are being met by the society they live in far better than others like the Middle East.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 9:02:26 AM EST
Because it’s not a rational act.

In a dictatorship, a patriot might be willing to sacrifice his life to eliminate a tyrant. But in a democracy the tyrant is in power because of the will of the (obviously misinformed or stupid) people. Killing him (or her) is useless as the same people will elect someone just as bad. Instead, that patriot just devotes his energies to eliminating the tyrant through political means.

(Everyone always thinks they are a true patriot and their political enemies are tyrants.)

And, political assassinations make political martyrs. Despite how it backfired, think about what the Democrats tried to do with Paul Wellstone’s death. Imagine what they would have done had he been assassinated instead of dying in a plane crash. (Democrats even tried to get a political advantage by implying that Wellstone was assassinated.) Think about what a martyr Kennedy became, no one wants their political enemies to be immortalized like that.

Many political assassinations in the third world are actually coordinated by government leaders. But most Western countries are far too open for this to be even considered. No leader is going to risk his freedom, his fortune, and his career to remove one rival. Conspiracies don’t pay when there is a free press to dig up the truth. (Instead it makes more sense to publicize farfetched conspiracy theories implicating your opponent in accidental deaths.)

So, there’s nothing to gain and everything to lose by assassinating a political rival. Character assassinations are an exception and this is a major part of Western (or at least American) politics.

The only ones who might consider political assassinations are nutjobs, who are usually too irrational to carry out a complex plot, and terrorists, who don’t have to worry about public opinion and elections.

Link Posted: 11/1/2006 9:11:37 AM EST
Less corruption, better investigations.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 11:26:18 AM EST
Lack of commitment.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 11:32:24 AM EST
because we are lazy and don't have the balls anymore.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 11:33:50 AM EST
even the political coups in the bananna republic have slowed in the past few years....
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 11:38:42 AM EST
I see two main reasons:

1) Killing people and getting away with it is hard.

2) People today are not very interested in political affairs. Assassination is a tool of extremists and crazy people. One needs to be both deeply involved politics and crazy enough to do something like that. It is rare to come across a lunatic that cares enough about politics to kill someone.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 11:48:00 AM EST
Rational people realize that killing the top dog will result in his junior apprentice, or widow being immediately elevated to his place, maintaining all policies as they were, or increasing them x2...so it's counterproductive.

Anyone who hates GWB, fears a president Cheney. Anyone who fears a Hillary, hates the prospect of the MSM retaliating for any violence against the queen with an avalanch of hagiographia (saint making) ensuring dozens of Hillary clones are elected, Mount Rushmore modified, Federal holiday's established and her 'legacy' being greater than the Impeached one.

All of which is entirely plausible - hence, no RATIONAL actor would dare do it.

Irrational people are, by the very nature of the beast, stupid and so get caught. (And thank God for that!)

The last thing we need is assassinations - they spawn civil war more often than not and that's about as bad a thing as can befall a country.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 11:54:12 AM EST

Originally Posted By LOW2000: Why aren't there more assassinations in the Western World?


I've done some quick investigation, called a retired "company man" that is a friend and after running a google, lexis and other checks to verify earlier information - I can tell you with 100% certainty that the reason why aren't there more assassinations in the Western World is.......

IT'S BUSH'S FAULT!!!!


President George W. Bush has not ordered any assassinations. Not a single one. So, you see... the lack of assassinations is President Bush's fault. Sure, he could change this by having a couple of nut-job leaders "whacked" - but he hasn't. Why?? I don't know... but I suspect he's a decent man and things like this wouldn't be part of his being.

On the otherhand.... Senator John "F'ing" Kerry did say.... um... nevermind.
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 11:55:50 AM EST

Originally Posted By Apostrophe:
I see two main reasons:

1) Killing people and getting away with it is hard.

2) People today are not very interested in political affairs. Assassination is a tool of extremists and crazy people. One needs to be both deeply involved politics and crazy enough to do something like that. It is rare to come across a lunatic that cares enough about politics to kill someone.




This pretty much sums it up. The level of security around the POTUS and his peers is pretty tight.

Most nutcases that would be willing to attempt it, for whatever reason, usually have neither the ability to think it out without coming to the attention of the public, who will recognize that this particular nutcase needs to be reported.

Those that can think it out run into a problem that in the past wasn't there. The POTUS's movements are very rarely telegraphed to the world anymore. The days of the well publicized open top motorcade in every visited city are gone. You very seldomly get enough information in time to get in to position. And in those areas where it is possible to put the information together , the security will almost certainly be there before you.

Those that that have the ability theoretically think it out, plan it out and then have the wherewithall to attempt it, generally don't have the political motivation to do it.

Your lone sniper/lone bomber just isn't going to be able to overcome the security in almost all cases.

Now if you go to smaller countries or lower levels of our government, the security isn't there, so Chiefs or State/Government can get whacked. Senators, Congressmen, Cabinet Secretaries are relatively vulnerable, but what cachet is there in whacking the 3rd Assistant Secretary to Director of the Potomac Restoration Department??
Link Posted: 11/1/2006 12:00:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2006 12:07:20 PM EST by BangStick1]
Here in KY we had a guy running for sheriff in '02, he had the sitting sheriff assasinated. Also a judge was recently assasinated in a western state. don't remember the details.
Linky


So, it is still happening.


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