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Posted: 9/1/2005 10:08:31 AM EDT
It seems that most of the problems that are occuring in the region are due to the lack of food, and water.
It has been three days since the hurricaine went through. If supplies were dropped in with enough frequency, it might ease the problem.

OTOH, It could be Mogadishu, and only a few have the supplies for themselves....

What do you all think?
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 10:09:18 AM EDT
Where are you going to drop them? In the water?
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 10:09:44 AM EDT
Try and drop them perfectly into one of the few dry spots and hope they don't go splash.
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 10:12:19 AM EDT
The USAF is or just about to start flying stuff into Keesler. The Naval Air Station in NO is underwater, I know for a fact that AFRC's tenant unit there is underwater, we have to rebuild their mail servers here as all the computer equipment is toast.
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 10:18:03 AM EDT
1-800-LAW-SUIT
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 10:53:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/1/2005 10:54:41 AM EDT by archer2]

Originally Posted By twonami:
1-800-LAW-SUIT



Yeah, thats what will happen if food and water doesn't get there.......


Imagine a slow painful death due to dehydration and lack of food.........................


...........................................or.........................................


The possibility of being crushed instantly by falling boxes of food and water............................................

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm............................................................



Link Posted: 9/1/2005 2:17:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/1/2005 2:18:58 PM EDT by Max_Mike]

Originally Posted By mjohn3006:
Try and drop them perfectly into one of the few dry spots and hope they don't go splash.



Not an effective delivery method in this situation air drop just are not that accurate.

2nd with the situation in NO until there is some protection of the people from the gangs that are running rampant the supplies are not likely not going to get to those that need them but be sucked up by the gangs.

In a situation like this you will have to set up secure distribution areas.

Some ain’t going to like it but if a situation ever warranted martial law this one now does. The President needs to declare a national emergency federalize the LA and MS National Guard, use force and get this situation under control quick. It is clear the local and state authorities are in over their heads.

That city needs to emptied fast or there are going to be epidemics that could kill thousands.


Link Posted: 9/1/2005 2:20:09 PM EDT
So, right now people are breaking into the supplies that are on hand, and someone thinks dropping them in an unsecured area is a good idea?

Look at what's going on. If you just drop them in to where anybody can get them, people will haul them off with no regard to anyone else. Truck them in and let the authorities hand them out.

If the people down there would exercise a little discipline and stop playing the victim, things would go better.
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 2:21:17 PM EDT
Want to see chaos???

Drop of pallet of food/water into a crowd of 1,000's of hungry, thristy, desperate people. They will tear their neighbor limbs off if it means survival for their family.

You need armed soldiers to hand it out, only way to keep them from rioting...

EPOCH
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 2:22:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mjohn3006:
Try and drop them perfectly into one of the few dry spots and hope they don't go splash.



On the dry ground where the survivors are hanging out.

Talk about SQUISH! 1000-3000 lbs of supplies travelling at 40mph....
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 2:22:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/1/2005 2:48:35 PM EDT by dport]

Originally Posted By archer2:
It seems that most of the problems that are occuring in the region are due to the lack of food, and water.
It has been three days since the hurricaine went through. If supplies were dropped in with enough frequency, it might ease the problem.

OTOH, It could be Mogadishu, and only a few have the supplies for themselves....

What do you all think?


Actually, it has been just over 48 hours since the hurricane passed throughlevees broke, not three days.

Jeez people, I know we live in a microwave/ get your pizza in 30 minutes or less society, but when you have a disaster that strikes hundreds of square miles shit doesn't get fixed at the drop of a hat. Patience. Don't let the 24hour news media spin your expectations.
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 2:23:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By EPOCH96:
Want to see chaos???

Drop of pallet of food/water into a crowd of 1,000's of hungry, thristy, desperate people. They will tear their neighbor limbs off if it means survival for their family.



Only the ones that survived the drop... Might as well drop a cement block on the people below - effect will be the same.
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 2:23:39 PM EDT
That's a pretty good idea. Air drop some supplies into a looter controlled area. Then some of the tougher ones can play Warlord and hoarde the food and kill more people.

Hey, this place is looking lke Mogadishu.
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 2:24:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By eodtech2000:
The USAF is or just about to start flying stuff into Keesler. The Naval Air Station in NO is underwater, I know for a fact that AFRC's tenant unit there is underwater, we have to rebuild their mail servers here as all the computer equipment is toast.


I heard FEMA say that Louis Armstrong is just getting to the point of being able to conduct ops, Gulfport/Biloxi will be online tomorrow, and Keesler is operational.
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 2:24:37 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 2:24:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:

Originally Posted By mjohn3006:
Try and drop them perfectly into one of the few dry spots and hope they don't go splash.



Not an effective delivery method in this situation air drop just are not that accurate.

2nd with the situation in NO until there is some protection of the people from the gangs that are running rampant the supplies are not likely not going to get to those that need them but be sucked up by the gangs.

In a situation like this you will have to set up secure distribution areas.

Some ain’t going to like it but if a situation ever warranted martial law this one now does. The President needs to declare a national emergency federalize the LA and MS National Guard, use force and get this situation under control quick. It is clear the local and state authorities are in over their heads.

That city needs to emptied fast or there are going to be epidemics that could kill thousands.





If the NG is federalized they then become title 10 forces and are subject to Posse Comitatus (sp?). That was the big 9-11 dilemma - NY wanted NG for LE work, but was having trouble footing the bill. If the troops were federalized, USG pays the bills, but forces now subject to Title X.
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 2:25:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Forest:

Originally Posted By mjohn3006:
Try and drop them perfectly into one of the few dry spots and hope they don't go splash.



On the dry ground where the survivors are hanging out.

Talk about SQUISH! 1000-3000 lbs of supplies travelling at 40mph....



And the stuff that does not hit people is going to end up in water, on roofs, in power lines and poles. End result more people hurt and no real help... air drops would not be helpful.
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 2:25:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/1/2005 2:26:25 PM EDT by ZitiForBreakfast]

Imagine a slow painful death due to dehydration and lack of food.........................


They got away with it doing it toTeri Schiavo....

Link Posted: 9/1/2005 2:27:25 PM EDT
www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/

More than 100 supply points in the city as of this afternoon. All stocked.
Cops are not taking peoples guns. (Although it looks like ammo is in pretty short supply)
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 2:29:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dport:

Originally Posted By eodtech2000:
The USAF is or just about to start flying stuff into Keesler. The Naval Air Station in NO is underwater, I know for a fact that AFRC's tenant unit there is underwater, we have to rebuild their mail servers here as all the computer equipment is toast.


I heard FEMA say that Louis Armstrong is just getting to the point of being able to conduct ops, Gulfport/Biloxi will be online tomorrow, and Keesler is operational.



We (AFRC) have birds at Gulfport and Keesler at the moment. I haven't heard anything new from 926 FW/10 AF in NO on the status of NAS New Orleans.
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 2:29:26 PM EDT
People in the dome are getting 2 mre's a day plus water.

They are not dieing.
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 2:31:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
People in the dome are getting 2 mre's a day plus water.

They are not dieing.



Ther a lot of people who are not at the dome who are going to die if this situation is not gotten in hand in a couple of days.
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 2:31:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ZitiForBreakfast:

Imagine a slow painful death due to dehydration and lack of food.........................


They got away with it doing it toTeri Schiavo....




Link Posted: 9/1/2005 2:31:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DigDug:
199.165.217.2/chopperdrop.jpg



I noticed the chopper crew wisely decided not to land...

EPOCH
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 2:34:54 PM EDT
That water is going to make a dent when it drops.
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 2:36:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
People in the dome are getting 2 mre's a day plus water.

They are not dieing.



Yea, especially when each MRE they get gives them an extra 3500 calories to burn.
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 2:36:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By H46Driver:

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:

Originally Posted By mjohn3006:
Try and drop them perfectly into one of the few dry spots and hope they don't go splash.



Not an effective delivery method in this situation air drop just are not that accurate.

2nd with the situation in NO until there is some protection of the people from the gangs that are running rampant the supplies are not likely not going to get to those that need them but be sucked up by the gangs.

In a situation like this you will have to set up secure distribution areas.

Some ain’t going to like it but if a situation ever warranted martial law this one now does. The President needs to declare a national emergency federalize the LA and MS National Guard, use force and get this situation under control quick. It is clear the local and state authorities are in over their heads.

That city needs to emptied fast or there are going to be epidemics that could kill thousands.





If the NG is federalized they then become title 10 forces and are subject to Posse Comitatus (sp?). That was the big 9-11 dilemma - NY wanted NG for LE work, but was having trouble footing the bill. If the troops were federalized, USG pays the bills, but forces now subject to Title X.



So if anyone raises a stink, we can finally see that relic of the Civil War declared unconstitutional...

If Washington himself federalized the militia to stop a tax revolt, then WTH not do it to the NG restore order to N.O.?

Put boots on the ground, with associated hardware to match - nothing says 'NO LOOTING' like a Bradley 25mm...
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 2:36:39 PM EDT
Your typical Nwew Orleans resident is unlikely to starve any time soon. Isnt it one of the fattest citys in america?

As for water, anyone with half a brain and 4 days warning could have stored enough water to ride this out for weeks at least, if not months.
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 2:37:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
People in the dome are getting 2 mre's a day plus water.

They are not dieing.



Ther a lot of people who are not at the dome who are going to die if this situation is not gotten in hand in a couple of days.



Should have got on the bus Saturday.
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 2:37:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By H46Driver:

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:

Originally Posted By mjohn3006:
Try and drop them perfectly into one of the few dry spots and hope they don't go splash.



Not an effective delivery method in this situation air drop just are not that accurate.

2nd with the situation in NO until there is some protection of the people from the gangs that are running rampant the supplies are not likely not going to get to those that need them but be sucked up by the gangs.

In a situation like this you will have to set up secure distribution areas.

Some ain’t going to like it but if a situation ever warranted martial law this one now does. The President needs to declare a national emergency federalize the LA and MS National Guard, use force and get this situation under control quick. It is clear the local and state authorities are in over their heads.

That city needs to emptied fast or there are going to be epidemics that could kill thousands.





If the NG is federalized they then become title 10 forces and are subject to Posse Comitatus (sp?). That was the big 9-11 dilemma - NY wanted NG for LE work, but was having trouble footing the bill. If the troops were federalized, USG pays the bills, but forces now subject to Title X.



So if anyone raises a stink, we can finally see that relic of the Civil War declared unconstitutional...

If Washington himself federalized the militia to stop a tax revolt, then WTH not do it to the NG restore order to N.O.?

Put boots on the ground, with associated hardware to match - nothing says 'NO LOOTING' like a Bradley 25mm...
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