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Posted: 6/14/2009 7:12:21 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/14/2009 7:13:41 PM EST by Slimjim]
I need to know how to get consulted for these TV shows. Im watching 1000 ways to die, and they are talking about a guy being killed by a falling bullet, The "expert" Says the bullet is comming out at about 2000 FPS. They show a 1911 being fired into the air, and the animation is of a .45 ACP bullet.

Link Posted: 6/14/2009 7:12:56 PM EST
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 7:13:33 PM EST
There was a kid in Baton Rouge years ago killed on New Years from a falling bullet...

It happens... maybe not 2000fps from a 1911...
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 7:14:09 PM EST
Did you know that American GI's used to drop Garand clips onto the ground so Germans would pop their heads up and then the GI's would shoot them?

I think telling people that all the time qualifies you to be a TV gun expert!
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 7:14:27 PM EST
Originally Posted By buckmaw:
There was a kid in Baton Rouge years ago killed on New Years from a falling bullet...

It happens... maybe not 2000fps from a 1911...


Yeah, i know it happens, But there seems to be a lack of communication here as to what they were gonna show in the recreation, and what their expert should have been talking about.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 7:22:43 PM EST
There's a difference between firing straight up into the air and sending a bullet on a 40* ballistic arc-straight up, it runs out of go and then accellerates to terminal velocity (around 120mph). Ballistic arc allows the round to continue in a spin stabilized flight path as well as carrying a good bit of velocity. Get hit with a FALLING round, and you'll probably just end up with a knot. Get hit with a bullet travelling in a ballistic arc and you're gonna need an ambulance at best, a hearse at worst.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 7:29:14 PM EST
Originally Posted By Gravity_Tester:
There's a difference between firing straight up into the air and sending a bullet on a 40* ballistic arc-straight up, it runs out of go and then accellerates to terminal velocity (around 120mph). Ballistic arc allows the round to continue in a spin stabilized flight path as well as carrying a good bit of velocity. Get hit with a FALLING round, and you'll probably just end up with a knot. Get hit with a bullet travelling in a ballistic arc and you're gonna need an ambulance at best, a hearse at worst.


+1

This was on mythbusters, same conclusion.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 7:30:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By Slimjim:
Originally Posted By buckmaw:
There was a kid in Baton Rouge years ago killed on New Years from a falling bullet...

It happens... maybe not 2000fps from a 1911...


Yeah, i know it happens, But there seems to be a lack of communication here as to what they were gonna show in the recreation, and what their expert should have been talking about.

I think this is mostly the problem.

The expert will be talking... Maybe even showing something.

They guy editing it wants to make it more interesting by showing other things while the audio plays... But doesn't comprehend what the expert is saying well enough to match it up with video.

Except Future Weapons... Baldy the wunder SEAL is just a moron.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 7:35:35 PM EST
Originally Posted By Kalahnikid:
Originally Posted By Gravity_Tester:
There's a difference between firing straight up into the air and sending a bullet on a 40* ballistic arc-straight up, it runs out of go and then accellerates to terminal velocity (around 120mph). Ballistic arc allows the round to continue in a spin stabilized flight path as well as carrying a good bit of velocity. Get hit with a FALLING round, and you'll probably just end up with a knot. Get hit with a bullet travelling in a ballistic arc and you're gonna need an ambulance at best, a hearse at worst.


+1

This was on mythbusters, same conclusion.


Simple ballistics. A bullet fired near 90* vertical will run out of gas and then start falling-rifle bullets will fall base first due to weight distribution and aerodynamics, pistol bullets will tumble due to the same.

It's like being hit by a tennis ball dropped from a building vs. being shot with a tennis ball from down the street. Neither will be pleasant, but only one will result in you having a logo stamped into your hide.

Link Posted: 6/14/2009 7:36:43 PM EST
Remeber that show (not Tales of the Gun) on the history channel about the M-16 where they had that dumbass cop out of NV that said he would rather hasve a m1 thompson then the AR becuase of "knock down power". I think the same guy also said that a beta mag holds 200 rounds on that "High Impact" show.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 7:46:59 PM EST
the San Fran police guy from myth busters posts here
he claims its just like talking to any other media they edit it to fit what they want and the producers on many of those shows are fucking idiots
but yes some of the "experts" they dig up are retarded
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 8:34:37 PM EST
the same reason there are hostage experts on every news channel at the television station while an actual hostage event is happening instead of being at the site helping the situation. Plus you can't effectively explain subjects based on research and actual facts when your audience knowledge base is already preconditioned by movies, video games and CNN.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:50:41 PM EST
Originally Posted By Gravity_Tester:
There's a difference between firing straight up into the air and sending a bullet on a 40* ballistic arc-straight up, it runs out of go and then accellerates to terminal velocity (around 120mph). Ballistic arc allows the round to continue in a spin stabilized flight path as well as carrying a good bit of velocity. Get hit with a FALLING round, and you'll probably just end up with a knot. Get hit with a bullet travelling in a ballistic arc and you're gonna need an ambulance at best, a hearse at worst.


Terminal velocity varies depending on the mass of the object falling, the drag area of the object and the fluid it falls through. A human in a spread-eagle position has a terminal velocity around 120 mph. A human in a streamlined position has much more than that. If you're falling through the upper atmosphere, you can break the sound barrier in freefall. There were bunkerbuster bombs in WW2 that had terminal velocities in excess of 2,400 mph.

But yeah, if the bullet's not spin stabilized, it won't fall very fast.
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