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Posted: 6/2/2008 1:03:53 PM EDT
I am just curious why handguns are so expensive compared to rifles?  There is much less raw material involved, I would imagine the machining process are very similar (except more material to machine and manufacture with a rifle), etc.

What is it: supply and demand, more regulations, what?
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 1:05:46 PM EDT
I think sales volume has a lot to do with it. How many 870's are sold per year versus Colt 1911's?
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 1:07:03 PM EDT
A thread like this was started a few years back. It ended up turning into a Glock bashing thread.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 1:07:27 PM EDT
Maybe your buying the wrong stuff.
raven arms and lorcins are where iz at my shizzle
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 1:07:42 PM EDT
Smaller parts, higher precision required to make them work properly, etc.

Kharn
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 1:09:53 PM EDT
because you'll pay it.

start a business and undercut all those gouging manufacturers like Beretta, Sig, Glock, Colt and Springfield.  stick it to the man.  You'll be amazed when you find out just how cheap it is to make a quality handgun, and you can pass that price on to the consumer.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 1:11:59 PM EDT
Because you'll pay it.  Also there may be some sort of unholy pact between handgun makers and the Brady's to make handguns generally expensive.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 1:12:57 PM EDT

Quoted:
I am just curious why handguns are so expensive compared to rifles?  There is much less raw material involved, I would imagine the machining process are very similar (except more material to machine and manufacture with a rifle), etc.

What is it: supply and demand, more regulations, what?


Lawsuits.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 1:13:07 PM EDT

because you'll pay it.


Same reason gas prices are as high as they are.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 1:13:33 PM EDT
More regulation on handguns = more BS the manufacturers have to go through = costs passed on to us.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 1:14:20 PM EDT
tag for something epic
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 1:15:33 PM EDT
My high point was cheap.

Lifetime warranty too.

Really though, higher liability insurance.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 1:16:47 PM EDT
I can't think of many decent rifles I can buy for under $450.  I also can't think of many decent handguns I can buy for under $450.  A nice 1911 may cost $600-$1000, and an AR15 will run at least that.

Not seeing the disparity.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 1:18:18 PM EDT
Yeah, shotguns yeah.  Rifles, about on par, if not more expensive than handguns.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 1:18:22 PM EDT

Quoted:

because you'll pay it.


Same reason gas prices are as high as they are.


Handgun futures?  

Link Posted: 6/2/2008 1:23:26 PM EDT
i dont know...it depends on what kinda rifles vs pisolts you are comparing to

i know of a LOT of pistols that are cheap (lorcin, hi-point, jenkins, AMT, jennings, keltec, llama, RIA/Armscorp, taurus, charter arms, HR, rossi, intratec....sh*t, so many, i cant begin to name em all)

Link Posted: 6/2/2008 1:56:29 PM EDT
Make a reliable modern featured handgun and sell it for $200 watch how fast Uncle Sam comes after you.

Also factor in lawsuits, testing/R&D, warranty expenses, advertising, buying off gun rags for nuetral-to-favorable reviews, campaign contributions, etc.


Glock for instance might actually be able to produce a gun for <50 dollars but thats not the only cost.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 1:59:53 PM EDT

Quoted:
I can't think of many decent rifles I can buy for under $450.  I also can't think of many decent handguns I can buy for under $450.  A nice 1911 may cost $600-$1000, and an AR15 will run at least that.

Not seeing the disparity.


CZ
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 2:01:28 PM EDT
I could never figure out why any gun is as costly as it is. It's not exactly the complicated technology, either in design or manufacture, and materials are cheap. I think its like anything else, you're buying an image or a name.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 2:05:45 PM EDT

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i dont know...it depends on what kinda rifles vs pisolts you are comparing to

i know of a LOT of pistols that are cheap (lorcin, hi-point, jenkins, AMT, jennings, keltec, llama, RIA/Armscorp, taurus, charter arms, HR, rossi, intratec....sh*t, so many, i cant begin to name em all)



How dare you invoke the name of Jennings in this house of ARFCOM! I SMITE YOUR POSTINGS!!

I think some bad craftmanship rubbed off on me just be reading that word. I need to go fondle an XD-9 and get a good 9mm back in my brain. Trying to kill me or something...??
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 2:06:33 PM EDT
The M1 Carbine was about half the cost of the M1911 to make.  Lots of broaching operations make for an expensive pistol.

Every machining change required a setup, done by hand.

With CNC, the cost has gone down.  But like petroleum, it isn't the cost of production, it is what the market will bear.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 2:07:42 PM EDT

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Make a reliable modern featured handgun and sell it for $200 watch how fast Uncle Sam


Kel-Tec?  Bersa?  Taurus?  Rossi?  Granted these aren't the best of the handgun world, but neither is Mossberg.  There are options out there... hell, it's a lot harder to find a usable $200 centerfire semi-auto rifle than a centerfire semi-auto pistol... unless you count surplus.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 2:09:06 PM EDT

Quoted:

Quoted:
I am just curious why handguns are so expensive compared to rifles?  There is much less raw material involved, I would imagine the machining process are very similar (except more material to machine and manufacture with a rifle), etc.

What is it: supply and demand, more regulations, what?


Lawsuits.

yep.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 2:12:22 PM EDT
Heck, why is a 16 inch barrel more expensive than a 20 inch barrel? There's less metal!
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 2:13:28 PM EDT

Quoted:
I can't think of many decent rifles I can buy for under $450.  I also can't think of many decent handguns I can buy for under $450.  A nice 1911 may cost $600-$1000, and an AR15 will run at least that.

Not seeing the disparity.


AR15 = 7 pounds of Al, Fe, and plastics
1911 = 2 pounds of Fe

7-2 = 5

That is the disparity. Not that it matters to me.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 2:13:38 PM EDT
Because Glock sucks?
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 2:14:28 PM EDT
What will really blow your mind is why are companies charging the same prices on pistols that are made with cost-cutting measures?*

*Cost cutting measures that often produce a gun of inferior quality.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 2:14:58 PM EDT

Quoted:

Quoted:
I can't think of many decent rifles I can buy for under $450.  I also can't think of many decent handguns I can buy for under $450.  A nice 1911 may cost $600-$1000, and an AR15 will run at least that.

Not seeing the disparity.


CZ


Yup.

CZ-75B: The only other handgun with more clones is the 1911.

The CZ-82 runs for about $200 and those are pretty sweet little handguns too.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 2:15:24 PM EDT

Quoted:
Because Glock sucks?


+1
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 2:15:36 PM EDT

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Heck, why is a 16 inch barrel more expensive than a 20 inch barrel? There's less metal!


Serious answer - standard barrel blanks are 20", so shorter barrels means more machining, and thus, higher costs.
I finally get to use that tidbit of info!

ETA: And I bet you can also charge another $50 for the cool factor that carbines have.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 2:15:47 PM EDT
Apples and oranges ARE both fruits...........
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 2:21:33 PM EDT

Quoted:

Quoted:
Because Glock sucks?


+1


+2
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 3:22:56 PM EDT

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Smaller parts, higher precision required to make them work properly, etc.

Kharn


+1.

Also, rifle recoil mechanisms are longer, distribute recoil forces over a larger surface area, etc. By contrast, handguns usually either have NO buffer recoil mechanisms (e.g. revolvers, derringers, break-opens) or very limited recoil mechanisms (closed bolt handguns like the 1911s, CZs, etc.) These recoil stresses require handgun receivers to be much more stoutly manufactured than rifle counterparts. All this adds up to cost...

Plus, it always costs more to put comparable function into a smaller package. Back in days you used to be able buy wind-up mechanical alarm clocks like the Baby Bens, they cost a LOT LESS than a wind-up wrist watch of similar accuracy...

Link Posted: 6/2/2008 3:35:11 PM EDT
Hey, if someone is going to pay 2700 bucks for a 1911. Sucker born every minute and the industry will support this type of spending. I think its for tacticoolness factor.Or maybe that 1911 already has dead haji claimed to it. Kinda like seeking training as long as the instructor has killed before, in ARFCOM that is the requirements for seeking good training. I duno but for the moist part, standard pistols, still cheaper than rifles.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 3:36:19 PM EDT

Quoted:

Quoted: I am just curious why handguns are so expensive compared to rifles?  There is much less raw material involved, I would imagine the machining process are very similar (except more material to machine and manufacture with a rifle), etc. What is it: supply and demand, more regulations, what?
Lawsuits.
BINGO!
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 3:58:45 PM EDT

Quoted:

Quoted:
Heck, why is a 16 inch barrel more expensive than a 20 inch barrel? There's less metal!


Serious answer - standard barrel blanks are 20", so shorter barrels means more machining, and thus, higher costs.
I finally get to use that tidbit of info!

ETA: And I bet you can also charge another $50 for the cool factor that carbines have.


My theory was the cool factor, rather than machining.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 4:09:33 PM EDT

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What will really blow your mind is why are companies charging the same prices on pistols that are made with cost-cutting measures?*

*Cost cutting measures that often produce a gun of inferior quality.


Depends.  CNC?  That cuts cost and increases quality.

Link Posted: 6/2/2008 4:13:06 PM EDT

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Because Glock sucks?


+1


+2


Always the right answer.
Link Posted: 6/2/2008 4:54:13 PM EDT

Quoted:

Quoted:
What will really blow your mind is why are companies charging the same prices on pistols that are made with cost-cutting measures?*

*Cost cutting measures that often produce a gun of inferior quality.


Depends.  CNC?  That cuts cost and increases quality.


Agreed on CNC - it also allows manufactuers to create limited runs of weapons with minimal cost to them.

I was more thinking of pinned barrels on S&W revolvers and MIM parts in 1911s.
Link Posted: 6/4/2008 9:21:33 AM EDT
Not if you are looking at H&K's. The rifles are more expensive than most of the pistols.

Of course, most of the rifles are banned from importation.
Link Posted: 6/4/2008 9:30:51 AM EDT
My Benelli SuperSport is by far more expensive than anything I have and it doesn't have one piece of wood on it.  Kevlar for the win
Link Posted: 6/4/2008 9:34:26 AM EDT
During Obama's second Term/Administration (All Semi-Automatic Weapons including all  handguns will be banned)
Link Posted: 6/4/2008 9:40:50 AM EDT

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Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Because Glock sucks?


+1


+2


Always the right answer.


+3
Link Posted: 6/4/2008 9:44:57 AM EDT

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
What will really blow your mind is why are companies charging the same prices on pistols that are made with cost-cutting measures?*

*Cost cutting measures that often produce a gun of inferior quality.


Depends.  CNC?  That cuts cost and increases quality.


Agreed on CNC - it also allows manufactuers to create limited runs of weapons with minimal cost to them.

I was more thinking of pinned barrels on S&W revolvers and MIM parts in 1911s.


You've never worked in manufacturing, have you?
Link Posted: 6/4/2008 9:45:46 AM EDT

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A thread like this was started a few years back. It ended up turning into a Glock bashing thread.


There can never be too many Glock bashing threads!

I have 6 handguns and not one glock amongst them!

KABOOM!!!!!  
Link Posted: 6/4/2008 9:48:37 AM EDT
You have to pay extra for their evilness
Link Posted: 6/4/2008 9:49:30 AM EDT
All pricing is supply vs demand. Handguns are the same way.

I suspect that the cost of raw materials is a small part of the cost involved in making firearms. Note that the investment cast steel process and the use of plastics is mostly to reduce labor costs.

But the cost to produce the item only influences the supply, it doesn't directly set the price.
Link Posted: 6/4/2008 9:51:10 AM EDT
yea you can never have to many glock bashing threads because it brings out a whole world of ignorance we wouldn't normally get to see
Link Posted: 6/4/2008 9:52:42 AM EDT

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yea you can never have to many glock bashing threads because it brings out a whole world of ignorance we wouldn't normally get to see


Glock owners are an interesting mix of towering arrogance and wiffling insecurity. 'Tis odd.
Link Posted: 6/4/2008 9:54:47 AM EDT
Glocks did it.
Link Posted: 6/4/2008 9:56:23 AM EDT

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Because Glock sucks?


You found the universal answer! I think it will create a black hole!
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