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Posted: 11/19/2008 7:10:49 PM EDT
OK I have read all the sky is falling threads.

I do believe the left wants to take our guns.

I do not believe a ban is unavoidable, the heller decision is pretty clear that seizure and prohibition is out.

I do believe the libs will tax bullets and rifles to the point they can only be purchased by the wealthy.

What I don't understand is why, there is no logic to the outright criminal actions of many leftist.

These are the same people that believe that the 1st amnedment is sacred, and that we have rights to abortion, medical care, and college educations none of which are spelled out in our constitution.

So why do they fear the 2nd Amendment?
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:13:02 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:13:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SD307:
OK I have read all the sky is falling threads.

I do believe the left wants to take our guns.

I do not believe a ban is unavoidable, the heller decision is pretty clear that seizure and prohibition is out.

I do believe the libs will tax bullets and rifles to the point they can only be purchased by the wealthy.

What I don't understand is why, there is no logic to the outright criminal actions of many leftist.

These are the same people that believe that the 1st amnedment is sacred, and that we have rights to abortion, medical care, and college educations none of which are spelled out in our constitution.

So why do they fear the 2nd Amendment?


Because they secretly want to legislate every tiny little thing in our lives, and they know we will want to shoot them for it.

Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:13:46 PM EDT
Criminals and Militia types...

Oh, and the arms industry making $$$...
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:14:54 PM EDT
They just want us disarmed so they can do as they please...
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:15:52 PM EDT
True liberals are hard core communists who know an armed people is a resistant people to their whims.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:15:52 PM EDT
Control. That is the number one reason they want us disarmed.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:16:27 PM EDT
Most of them think that only government employees (police, military) should have guns, that guns are too dangerous to be owned by members of the general public. The rest of them, those in authority, know that guns give us power and make us harder to rule.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:17:38 PM EDT
Why? That's simple. Control. The left wishes to control you. The armed man is independent. He is free. He needs no government to protect him, he will protect himself. He needs no government to provide for him, he will provide for himself. The armed man is not dependent on the crutch of socialism. He is not left begging for scraps. He cannot be forced into submission with the threat of withdrawing the government teat, he needs not suckle from it.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:18:08 PM EDT
Why do they want to rule over us, the goverment is meant to serve the people, a goverment with our interest in mind should not fear an armed citizenry.

So what is the goal once they ban the guns??????????????
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:21:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SD307:

So why do they fear the 2nd Amendment?


They don't. They fear YOU.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:22:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/19/2008 7:23:23 PM EDT by Kihn]
Originally Posted By SD307:
Why do they want to rule over us, the goverment is meant to serve the people, a goverment with our interest in mind should not fear an armed citizenry.

So what is the goal once they ban the guns??????????????


Probably answered your own question. What makes you think they have our interests in mind? Just think back to all of the info sent to our reps about not supporting the bailout. Averaged out to more than 20:1 against the bailout. Did they listen?

Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:23:18 PM EDT
so you have a harder time resisting the rest of the shit they have planned for you.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:24:28 PM EDT
An armed populace kind of throws a wrench in their plans for world domination.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:24:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/19/2008 7:25:49 PM EDT by sirensong]
the root issue is that the entire liberal platform is based on doing the "nice" thing.

quite simply, liberals want people to smile at them. very few of the planks of their platform are unexplainable by this phenomenon.

they want to be nice to poor people (with your money).

they want to be nice to crime victims, and be nice to criminals.

they want to be nice to any oppressed group, because that's the nicest thing to do. and since they always find the "redeeming" aspects of everyone, they can find any group to be oppressed.

liberals are the kinds of people who wish no one would ever die. death, to them, is not nice. starvation from overpopulation is ignored, because that's way off in the future and liberals don't have to look at it.

liberals want to give candy to babies so that the babies will smile at them. they don't think about tooth decay, obesity, diabetes, and death, because that stuff is way off in the future and they don't have to look at it. liberals want the smiles right now, because that makes them feel nice.

and ultimately, they won't countenance anything having to do with violence, because it's just not nice. since guns are not nice, the liberal position is that getting rid of them is nice.

Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:25:14 PM EDT
Fostering dependency and control. A gun is a symbol of independence and self sufficiency, that is counter to socialism.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:25:56 PM EDT
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Control. That is the number one reason they want us disarmed.


+1

If we are unarmed, then we are defenseless to do anything when truly radical agendas are put forward...not that taking my guns isn't radical.[>:/]
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:27:02 PM EDT
I think a lot of it is simply class snobbery. The "narrative" of their lives is that people with guns are mouth-breathing troglodytes. And they don't have guns, so that makes them NOT mouth-breathing troglodytes. Trying to get other people to give up guns makes them even more enlightened, even if they have to disarm those other people at gun point.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:27:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SD307:
Why do they want to rule over us, the goverment is meant to serve the people, a goverment with our interest in mind should not fear an armed citizenry.

So what is the goal once they ban the guns??????????????



When Marxists and socialists get power, they usually kill many millions of their own citizens. It's harder to do that if your citizens can defend themselves.

Read through this article for a few examples: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:29:52 PM EDT
Well maybe you can answer me how the dems platform (as a party) is the opposite on pretty much every issue. You'd think there would be a lot of overlap. (Sometimes they aren't so up front with them so it SEEMS that way, but not the case)

I swear these parties arrive at some of their platform issues just by choosing the opposite as the other.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:34:20 PM EDT
They want to live in a world that is a child's version of happiness: everything is free, Daddy and Mommy (read the Government) love you and care for you and keep you safe, the bad men can't harm you because the police protect you and are your best friend. They have a skewed concept of causality: the dangerous tools of crime and violence are the cause of crime and violence: if these tools didn't exist there would be no crime or violence: remove the guns, remove the crimes in which guns are used.

GunLogic
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:34:43 PM EDT
1. Libs base everything off emotion. So dont apply logic.

2. Gun control isnt about guns, its about control.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:36:16 PM EDT
Libs want to regulate everyone down the same level of mediocrity.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:42:42 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Tony7189:
An armed populace kind of throws a wrench in their plans for world domination.

This is actually the real reason.


Guns may be TOP of Obama's agenda. Before the economy, before national security, before jobs.


1.) Obama was started by, and HEAVILY financed by George Soros.
Soros Anti gun activities
Funding anti-gun activities for years
Soros buying Obama Early

2) Soros manipulates the markets to cause economic harm and affect other policies
Soros manipulation of stock market

3) Soros is a globalist , and wants Americans to cede sovereignity to global governance organizations.
Globalist activites

4) Banning guns is the first and necessary step to implementing a global government.



They HAVE to ban our guns because without disarming us, they can not get us to surrender our sovereignity nor can they implement their extremely heavy tax policies.


trust me, it may be the single biggest reason soros wants him in office. he's going to push to disarm us. it's the guns he's after, and it's bigger than just a black guy winning the white house.



Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:43:48 PM EDT
It's not about guns.

It's about control.

Take the guns and they have complete control.

Savvy?
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:44:09 PM EDT
Libs are an interesting bread.

They are taking the steps now, for future libs? There's not a chance in hell Obama sees the disarming of America. Probably not even in his childrens lifetime with a ban in place. So basically, they're only setting up this utopia for future lib politicians. That's the part i don't get. I think it's a power thing, and a easier road to ultimate goals, but i don't see that happening even within 25 years let alone the next 4.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:44:51 PM EDT
World domination is not on the minds of the liberal in the street. Maybe on politician's minds but not the average left winger.

GL
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:44:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Bloencustoms:
Originally Posted By SD307:
OK I have read all the sky is falling threads.

I do believe the left wants to take our guns.

I do not believe a ban is unavoidable, the heller decision is pretty clear that seizure and prohibition is out.

I do believe the libs will tax bullets and rifles to the point they can only be purchased by the wealthy.

What I don't understand is why, there is no logic to the outright criminal actions of many leftist.

These are the same people that believe that the 1st amnedment is sacred, and that we have rights to abortion, medical care, and college educations none of which are spelled out in our constitution.

So why do they fear the 2nd Amendment?


Because they secretly want to legislate every tiny little thing in our lives, and they know we will want to shoot them for it.




Pretty much says it all. I wonder what will happen with the CoC if that times comes.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:46:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By swingset:
Originally Posted By SD307:

So why do they fear the 2nd Amendment?


They don't. They fear YOU.


"The Second Amendment is not about hunting ducks and leaving Huey, Dewey, and Lewie without an uncle. It's about hunting politicians." Thomas Dodd, author of the GCA of 1968
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:47:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/19/2008 7:48:29 PM EDT by Dave_A]
Originally Posted By SD307:
OK I have read all the sky is falling threads.

I do believe the left wants to take our guns.

I do not believe a ban is unavoidable, the heller decision is pretty clear that seizure and prohibition is out.

I do believe the libs will tax bullets and rifles to the point they can only be purchased by the wealthy.

What I don't understand is why, there is no logic to the outright criminal actions of many leftist.

These are the same people that believe that the 1st amnedment is sacred, and that we have rights to abortion, medical care, and college educations none of which are spelled out in our constitution.

So why do they fear the 2nd Amendment?


They don't fear the 2nd...

The truth is that libs believe that everything in life can be made better through regulation - that if they make all the 'bad' or 'icky' things in life illegal, the true good in people will be able to come out...

In short:

Liberals believe that people are good, but corrupted by malign objects and entities, which can be eliminated through social pressure and government regulation...

Libertarians believe that people are good, and will be good if evil 'force' is removed from their lives by allowing almost anything to be legal...

Conservatives know people are evil, and that only through checks and balances can an approximation of good/civilization be achieved....
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:49:29 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Tony7189:
An armed populace kind of throws a wrench in their plans for world domination.



Exactly!
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:51:25 PM EDT
So far it seems most of us feel that the left feels they could rule the world if they took away guns from those pesky redneck Americans.........


I don't buy it


For those who believe they want the regs for the sake of regs.....Where does the need to control come from, I have no desire to control other people, why do they have a need to try to control me?
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:53:27 PM EDT
It's all about control. Besides just the guns themselves not being able to be used against a tyrannical government, they think that if they can some how stop violence (HA!) that a happy unassuming populace thinking that they are safe, will be easier to milk for money.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:55:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Kuraki:
Why? That's simple. Control. The left wishes to control you. The armed man is independent. He is free. He needs no government to protect him, he will protect himself. He needs no government to provide for him, he will provide for himself. The armed man is not dependent on the crutch of socialism. He is not left begging for scraps. He cannot be forced into submission with the threat of withdrawing the government teat, he needs not suckle from it.


Now THAT is a post with some substance!

Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:57:02 PM EDT
Mattl got it precisely. The entire belief system of liberalism is the group to the exclusion of the individual. The reason this country is and was hated by the 60's "Better Red than dead" crowd is that this country was living proof of the moral, economic, intellectual, and emotional bankruptcy of communism and socialism. If this country could only fail...
But we didn't fail, thanks to folks like President Ronald Reagan, despite the efforts of libs world wide. However, communism did fail massively in the U.S.S.R. and many other places, and continues to fail miserably. The Russians and Chinese are doing their best to use capitalism somehow, in their dictatorships but the jury is out on those strange efforts.
Meanwhile the old hippies in this country have nothing to show for their life's beliefs.
If we all lived in communes, shared our homes, wives, husbands, kids, food, cars, ..., hell better yet if we all just lived without cars or money, just ate, slept, and fucked, no work (it's magic!) the world would be wonderful. No competition, no winners, no losers, and most of all, no one who didn't go along with the program. Let the government take care of all of us, do everything for us, we all can live exactly alike, that way there is no greed, no competition, no right, no wrong, just the group.
But, conservatives won't go along with this crap. Conservatives only want to be left alone to do what they like as long as it doesn't hurt someone else. Get rich, don't get rich, live in the country off the land, live in the city and work their asses off, whatever, conservatives say great, reach for your stars.
Libs say reach for the group, don't excel, don't achieve, just establish "common goals" and don't ever have an independent thought. Worst of all, never even think of being self sufficient. If we are self sufficient, independent, truly free, then the group is not important. End of liberalism.
Guns are both a huge symbol and a critical tool to the person who wants to live his life as self sufficiently and independently as possible.
Guns scare the hell out of liberals.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 8:02:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SD307:
So far it seems most of us feel that the left feels they could rule the world if they took away guns from those pesky redneck Americans.........


I don't buy it


For those who believe they want the regs for the sake of regs.....Where does the need to control come from, I have no desire to control other people, why do they have a need to try to control me?


Type A personalities?
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