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Posted: 12/27/2012 10:21:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/27/2012 10:23:59 AM EDT by Steven61]
I just don't get it. Israeli Jews seem conservative but American Jews seem so liberal.
I guess its because Israel is surrounded by people trying to kill them and American Jews aren't. But, most Jews still remember the holocost and I cant imagin they would want to be in the same situation.
You think they would have learned from the 1940s that an armed subject has a fighting chance and would rather resist with a firearm than walk into a gas chamber or oven.

I have a friend born and raised in Isreal then moved here to the US and even he thinks civilians shouldnt have "assault rifles."
He was also in the Isreali military.
Jews ... please chime in as to why your fellow Jews are so liberal.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:24:42 AM EDT
on another forum there is a conservative Jewish man that addressed the very issue. he said it comes down to two things for the most part. 1)some are put off because they feel like republicans try to shove christianity down peoples throats. 2)he said that, in general, the Jewish population settled in more urban(and otherwise liberal) areas, and since they tend to be very good at assimilating, they tend to fall in the political climates of their surrounding. how true these facts are, I dont know. but they make sense to me.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:27:00 AM EDT
I am a Jewish American and I've been trying to figure that out for decades. There's a Jewish Motto, " never forget" and I think many have. Stupid liberal ass holes.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:29:29 AM EDT
Here's an answer from the Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO).

http://jpfo.org/articles-assd02/why-jews-hate-guns.htm
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:29:50 AM EDT
Here we go again.

FWIW, I have never met an Israeli - and I have worked with several - that did not support gun control and think the US gun laws were too lax.

You need to break down and deconstruct your precepts, to include defining your labels better.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:31:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/27/2012 10:31:54 AM EDT by kelone]
Originally Posted By Pony151515:
on another forum there is a conservative Jewish man that addressed the very issue. he said it comes down to two things for the most part. 1)some are put off because they feel like republicans try to shove christianity down peoples throats. 2)he said that, in general, the Jewish population settled in more urban(and otherwise liberal) areas, and since they tend to be very good at assimilating, they tend to fall in the political climates of their surrounding. how true these facts are, I dont know. but they make sense to me.


And, to some extent, in 'liberal' areas they are less likely to face antisemitism, and so are discouraged from leaving those areas.
Which means they are less likely to be exposed to gun culture, which makes it a lot easier to see guns as something that only criminals and psychos have.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:32:19 AM EDT
Isreal has been fighting the same war for over 2000 years. They don't learn from the past, so why would the idea that no gun control preventing another holocoust be any different?
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:33:57 AM EDT
I though Jews were a close group of people...so why arent they educating their liberal friends about guns and taxes and government?
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:34:03 AM EDT
A lot of Jewish immigrants used social programs to gain a foothold in America.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:34:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Steven61:
I just don't get it. Israeli Jews seem conservative but American Jews seem so liberal.
I guess its because Israel is surrounded by people trying to kill them and American Jews aren't. But, most Jews still remember the holocost and I cant imagin they would want to be in the same situation.
You think they would have learned from the 1940s that an armed subject has a fighting chance and would rather resist with a firearm than walk into a gas chamber or oven.

I have a friend born and raised in Isreal then moved here to the US and even he thinks civilians shouldnt have "assault rifles."
He was also in the Isreali military.
Jews ... please chime in as to why your fellow Jews are so liberal.


It is not just Jews in America, but all over the world, even in Israel. Israel is very socialist like and has some of the strictest gun laws for a modern country. Probably worse than the UK.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:35:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By wilNva:
Isreal has been fighting the same war for over 2000 years. They don't learn from the past, so why would the idea that no gun control preventing another holocoust be any different?


isreal was only formed in the 50s wasnt it?
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:35:20 AM EDT
Just thinking out loud.

Jews have long been a separate culture within a larger community. A tradition of being persecuted and only being able to really rely on your ethnic group may have contributed to a more group-oriented political viewpoint.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:35:36 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Steven61:
I though Jews were a close group of people...so why arent they educating their liberal friends about guns and taxes and government?


I thought Catholics were a close group of people...so why aren't they educating their liberal friends about guns, taxes, and government?
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:35:43 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Flogger23m:
Originally Posted By Steven61:
I just don't get it. Israeli Jews seem conservative but American Jews seem so liberal.
I guess its because Israel is surrounded by people trying to kill them and American Jews aren't. But, most Jews still remember the holocost and I cant imagin they would want to be in the same situation.
You think they would have learned from the 1940s that an armed subject has a fighting chance and would rather resist with a firearm than walk into a gas chamber or oven.

I have a friend born and raised in Isreal then moved here to the US and even he thinks civilians shouldnt have "assault rifles."
He was also in the Isreali military.
Jews ... please chime in as to why your fellow Jews are so liberal.


It is not just Jews in America, but all over the world, even in Israel. Israel is very socialist like and has some of the strictest gun laws for a modern country. Probably worse than the UK.


I though everyone in Israel had guns
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:35:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Steven61:
Originally Posted By wilNva:
Isreal has been fighting the same war for over 2000 years. They don't learn from the past, so why would the idea that no gun control preventing another holocoust be any different?


isreal was only formed in the 50s wasnt it?


1948
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:36:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/27/2012 10:36:48 AM EDT by Snips]
Originally Posted By Steven61:
Originally Posted By Flogger23m:
Originally Posted By Steven61:
I just don't get it. Israeli Jews seem conservative but American Jews seem so liberal.
I guess its because Israel is surrounded by people trying to kill them and American Jews aren't. But, most Jews still remember the holocost and I cant imagin they would want to be in the same situation.
You think they would have learned from the 1940s that an armed subject has a fighting chance and would rather resist with a firearm than walk into a gas chamber or oven.

I have a friend born and raised in Isreal then moved here to the US and even he thinks civilians shouldnt have "assault rifles."
He was also in the Isreali military.
Jews ... please chime in as to why your fellow Jews are so liberal.


It is not just Jews in America, but all over the world, even in Israel. Israel is very socialist like and has some of the strictest gun laws for a modern country. Probably worse than the UK.


I though everyone in Israel had guns


No. Only cops and mil. Even then, it's only active duty. There is very limited firearm ownership for civilians.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:36:35 AM EDT
Originally Posted By w15ly:
A lot of Jewish immigrants used social programs to gain a foothold in America.


which is OK, because within a generation, no doubt they were independent and successful. i would think they wouldn't have a tolerance for freeloading peoples
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:37:00 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Steven61:
Originally Posted By Flogger23m:
Originally Posted By Steven61:
I just don't get it. Israeli Jews seem conservative but American Jews seem so liberal.
I guess its because Israel is surrounded by people trying to kill them and American Jews aren't. But, most Jews still remember the holocost and I cant imagin they would want to be in the same situation.
You think they would have learned from the 1940s that an armed subject has a fighting chance and would rather resist with a firearm than walk into a gas chamber or oven.

I have a friend born and raised in Isreal then moved here to the US and even he thinks civilians shouldnt have "assault rifles."
He was also in the Isreali military.
Jews ... please chime in as to why your fellow Jews are so liberal.


It is not just Jews in America, but all over the world, even in Israel. Israel is very socialist like and has some of the strictest gun laws for a modern country. Probably worse than the UK.


I though everyone in Israel had guns


Almost no one does. It is very difficult to get a firearms license, and even then, you are not able to get semi auto rifles and similar.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:37:21 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Snips:
Just thinking out loud.

Jews have long been a separate culture within a larger community. A tradition of being persecuted and only being able to really rely on your ethnic group may have contributed to a more group-oriented political viewpoint.


That's actually a lot of it. Thousands of years of oppression tend to leave a group able to only trust themselves. I will say that the Jewish communities in the South (excluding larger cities) is a bit different than in the Northeast.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:37:39 AM EDT
The Jews were also a major part of the formation of the Communist party and the overthrow of Czarist Russia. It has been guessed that the Communist Party at the time of the Russian Revolution consisted of a large number of Jews, about 20% of the total party membership, much larger than the Jewish percentage of the Russian population.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:37:44 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Steven61:
I though everyone in Israel had guns



LOL no. Duty weapons maybe. Once you're out of active service the rules change quite a bit.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:38:44 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Steven61:
I just don't get it. Israeli Jews seem conservative but American Jews seem so liberal.
I guess its because Israel is surrounded by people trying to kill them and American Jews aren't. But, most Jews still remember the holocost and I cant imagin they would want to be in the same situation.
You think they would have learned from the 1940s that an armed subject has a fighting chance and would rather resist with a firearm than walk into a gas chamber or oven.

I have a friend born and raised in Isreal then moved here to the US and even he thinks civilians shouldnt have "assault rifles."
He was also in the Isreali military.
Jews ... please chime in as to why your fellow Jews are so liberal.


I cant understand why and also why a ton of catholics are sooooo libtarded!
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:39:28 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
Here we go again.

FWIW, I have never met an Israeli - and I have worked with several - that did not support gun control and think the US gun laws were too lax.

You need to break down and deconstruct your precepts, to include defining your labels better.


You dont know enough Israelis.

Plenty are very pro gun and I know a lot more than you. Hell, there are some here that dont fit into your view.

As for the "why" there are a lot of reasons, but there is a perception that at lot of people on the right simply dont understand. The right puts out a pretty strong "love it or leave it"...."You need Jesus"..."Its all the queers fault"... (moral issues and religion dont appeal to a lot of people, duh!!! )

The right simply has to lable and hate everything. Folks, I have to tell you, if you are not a white Christian male, even if you are "pro" a lot of things on the right, the left can be seen as a better choice. Now, you can continue to just call everyone who disagrees with you an idiot who needs to see your obvious truth or you can realize that some components of your side might be driving people away (and it does)

Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:39:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/27/2012 10:40:08 AM EDT by TimeTraveler]
Originally Posted By walt_l:
I am a Jewish American and I've been trying to figure that out for decades. There's a Jewish Motto, " never forget" and I think many have. Stupid liberal ass holes.


Thank you for your input. I would think this would leave open another forced walk at gunpoint into boxcars. I was born after WWII. I'm not Jewish, but I totally understand the saying, "never again".

Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:40:21 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:40:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By w15ly:
Originally Posted By Steven61:
I though Jews were a close group of people...so why arent they educating their liberal friends about guns and taxes and government?


I thought Catholics were a close group of people...so why aren't they educating their liberal friends about guns, taxes, and government?


Im catholic and the catholic group is a much larger group. also we werent recently gased and thrown in ovens. we had our fair share of pain but not as recent
and catholic people tend to be more conservative
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:40:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/27/2012 10:42:33 AM EDT by w15ly]
Originally Posted By LibertarianYankee:
Originally Posted By w15ly:
A lot of Jewish immigrants used social programs to gain a foothold in America.


which is OK, because within a generation, no doubt they were independent and successful. i would think they wouldn't have a tolerance for freeloading peoples



My Grandparents came here from Poland and my Grandfather immediately joined the Marines and served during WW2. He's always voted conservative, and my family was raised that way.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:42:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/27/2012 10:45:21 AM EDT by The_Evil_One]
I'm conservative as fuck so I don't know what your talking about.

Also my brother and dad are conservative as fuck too.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:43:28 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Snips:
Originally Posted By Steven61:
Originally Posted By Flogger23m:
Originally Posted By Steven61:
I just don't get it. Israeli Jews seem conservative but American Jews seem so liberal.
I guess its because Israel is surrounded by people trying to kill them and American Jews aren't. But, most Jews still remember the holocost and I cant imagin they would want to be in the same situation.
You think they would have learned from the 1940s that an armed subject has a fighting chance and would rather resist with a firearm than walk into a gas chamber or oven.

I have a friend born and raised in Isreal then moved here to the US and even he thinks civilians shouldnt have "assault rifles."
He was also in the Isreali military.
Jews ... please chime in as to why your fellow Jews are so liberal.


It is not just Jews in America, but all over the world, even in Israel. Israel is very socialist like and has some of the strictest gun laws for a modern country. Probably worse than the UK.


I though everyone in Israel had guns


No. Only cops and mil. Even then, it's only active duty. There is very limited firearm ownership for civilians.


Well if you don't count settlers in the occupied territories and anyone on a farm near the border and that nearly everyone of a certain age is in the military and while they might not be loaded the are carrying m16s into town for ice cream. when off duty. You will see plenty of ARs and M16 out in public.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:43:41 AM EDT
Originally Posted By neshomamench:
Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
Here we go again.

FWIW, I have never met an Israeli - and I have worked with several - that did not support gun control and think the US gun laws were too lax.

You need to break down and deconstruct your precepts, to include defining your labels better.


You dont know enough Israelis.

Plenty are very pro gun and I know a lot more than you. Hell, there are some here that dont fit into your view.

As for the "why" there are a lot of reasons, but there is a perception that at lot of people on the right simply dont understand. The right puts out a pretty strong "love it or leave it"...."You need Jesus"..."Its all the queers fault"... (moral issues and religion dont appeal to a lot of people, duh!!! )

The right simply has to lable and hate everything. Folks, I have to tell you, if you are not a white Christian male, even if you are "pro" a lot of things on the right, the left can be seen as a better choice. Now, you can continue to just call everyone who disagrees with you an idiot who needs to see your obvious truth or you can realize that some components of your side might be driving people away (and it does)



Something I didn't think about. Country Club Republicans, who the northern Jews would have been exposed to, historically haven't been very friendly towards Jews.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:43:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/27/2012 10:44:59 AM EDT by w15ly]
Originally Posted By Steven61:
Originally Posted By w15ly:
Originally Posted By Steven61:
I though Jews were a close group of people...so why arent they educating their liberal friends about guns and taxes and government?


I thought Catholics were a close group of people...so why aren't they educating their liberal friends about guns, taxes, and government?


Im catholic and the catholic group is a much larger group. also we werent recently gased and thrown in ovens. we had our fair share of pain but not as recent
and catholic people tend to be more conservative


http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/08/us-usa-campaign-religion-idUSBRE8A71M420121108

Although I think the point I was trying to make was lost on you.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:45:28 AM EDT
Originally Posted By VA-gunnut:
What made you think Israel was "conservative", because they kill terrorists?


i thought everyone inlcuding women had to join the armyI also though they carry their weapon with them

thats even worse that they are liberal there when they are surrounded by people that want to kill them....kinda stupid not to have every Jew armed in Israel ...dont you think?

Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:45:41 AM EDT
Originally Posted By w15ly:
Originally Posted By Steven61:
I though Jews were a close group of people...so why arent they educating their liberal friends about guns and taxes and government?


I thought Catholics were a close group of people...so why aren't they educating their liberal friends about guns, taxes, and government?


Most of the "Catholics" I know go twice a year, support abortion, and are merely using the "Catholic" label to identify themselves as a group.

I've had "catholics" tell me things about our beliefs, get angry when I tell them they're wrong, and don't even know what the Catechism is when I use it as a source. In other words, there's a lot of people that really need to be excomm'd and told to either straighten up or get out. Because they aren't really Catholic.

I figure it's similar in Judaism. My wife knows a few folks who are very very proud to be "Jewish" while not doing a single religious thing at all.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:46:57 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ztug:
Originally Posted By Snips:
Originally Posted By Steven61:
Originally Posted By Flogger23m:
Originally Posted By Steven61:
I just don't get it. Israeli Jews seem conservative but American Jews seem so liberal.
I guess its because Israel is surrounded by people trying to kill them and American Jews aren't. But, most Jews still remember the holocost and I cant imagin they would want to be in the same situation.
You think they would have learned from the 1940s that an armed subject has a fighting chance and would rather resist with a firearm than walk into a gas chamber or oven.

I have a friend born and raised in Isreal then moved here to the US and even he thinks civilians shouldnt have "assault rifles."
He was also in the Isreali military.
Jews ... please chime in as to why your fellow Jews are so liberal.


It is not just Jews in America, but all over the world, even in Israel. Israel is very socialist like and has some of the strictest gun laws for a modern country. Probably worse than the UK.


I though everyone in Israel had guns


No. Only cops and mil. Even then, it's only active duty. There is very limited firearm ownership for civilians.


Well if you don't count settlers in the occupied territories and anyone on a farm near the border and that nearly everyone of a certain age is in the military and while they might not be loaded the are carrying m16s into town for ice cream. when off duty. You will see plenty of ARs and M16 out in public.


Yes, those conscripts are carrying weapons for the few years they are in. Then when they become civilians, they're weaponless again. There are some exemptions, but for the most part weapons are off limits for civilians. That's what limited firearm ownership means. Even those who can own are very limited in what they can have.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:49:27 AM EDT
It's a freakin paradox also that they tend to have higher incomes yet swing to the left
http://haha.xxx/images/adri017n.jpg
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:50:58 AM EDT
Originally Posted By gunwild87:
It's a freakin paradox also that they tend to have higher incomes yet swing to the left
http://haha.xxx/images/adri017n.jpg


Liberals in the US have a higher average education level and income as well. Not very paradoxical.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:51:44 AM EDT
They think all of us right-wing rednecks could easily turn into goose-stepping thugs.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:52:16 AM EDT
Old habits die slowly.

More and more Jews are becoming conservative. However, conservatism has always been associated with the Republican party and the Republican party, until recently, has not been a welcoming place for Jews.

I do hate these questions though. But for what it is worth........ religious Jews are very conservative. Just like ANY religion......the non-religious members lean left.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:52:45 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Spade:
Originally Posted By w15ly:
Originally Posted By Steven61:
I though Jews were a close group of people...so why arent they educating their liberal friends about guns and taxes and government?


I thought Catholics were a close group of people...so why aren't they educating their liberal friends about guns, taxes, and government?


Most of the "Catholics" I know go twice a year, support abortion, and are merely using the "Catholic" label to identify themselves as a group.

I've had "catholics" tell me things about our beliefs, get angry when I tell them they're wrong, and don't even know what the Catechism is when I use it as a source. In other words, there's a lot of people that really need to be excomm'd and told to either straighten up or get out. Because they aren't really Catholic.

I figure it's similar in Judaism. My wife knows a few folks who are very very proud to be "Jewish" while not doing a single religious thing at all.





That's exactly right, and I'm guilty of it as well.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:55:32 AM EDT
I heart Jews. Esp. the girl kind.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:56:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/27/2012 10:56:39 AM EDT by Will]
Because they can afford to be. We protect their right to be communist sympathizers.....
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:58:24 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Steven61:
I just don't get it. Israeli Jews seem conservative but American Jews seem so liberal.
I guess its because Israel is surrounded by people trying to kill them and American Jews aren't. But, most Jews still remember the holocost and I cant imagin they would want to be in the same situation.
You think they would have learned from the 1940s that an armed subject has a fighting chance and would rather resist with a firearm than walk into a gas chamber or oven.

I have a friend born and raised in Isreal then moved here to the US and even he thinks civilians shouldnt have "assault rifles."
He was also in the Isreali military.
Jews ... please chime in as to why your fellow Jews are so liberal.


The truth: Because American Jews generally associate liberalism with philanthropy, and believe that liberal ideals are more beneficial to those poor unfortunate minorities.

In short, it's that disgusting aspect of liberalism that preaches, "I'm an advocate for the less fortunate - and I know exactly what THEY need".
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 11:05:31 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Snips:
Originally Posted By Steven61:
Originally Posted By Flogger23m:
Originally Posted By Steven61:
I just don't get it. Israeli Jews seem conservative but American Jews seem so liberal.
I guess its because Israel is surrounded by people trying to kill them and American Jews aren't. But, most Jews still remember the holocost and I cant imagin they would want to be in the same situation.
You think they would have learned from the 1940s that an armed subject has a fighting chance and would rather resist with a firearm than walk into a gas chamber or oven.

I have a friend born and raised in Isreal then moved here to the US and even he thinks civilians shouldnt have "assault rifles."
He was also in the Isreali military.
Jews ... please chime in as to why your fellow Jews are so liberal.


It is not just Jews in America, but all over the world, even in Israel. Israel is very socialist like and has some of the strictest gun laws for a modern country. Probably worse than the UK.


I though everyone in Israel had guns


No. Only cops and mil. Even then, it's only active duty. There is very limited firearm ownership for civilians.


IIRC Retired NCO's can own one rifle. Retired Officers canown one rifle and one handgun. Private security is very common and very open, which gives the perception everyone has a gun.

Historical irony, one of the reasons Hitler got so far on appeasement? Many government employees wore military style uniforms (many included dress daggers) which gave the impression Germany was an odd camp. yet when Germany invaded Poland they only had enough supplies on hand for approximately three weeks of operations, and at times were using concrete bombs with dynamite in the nose.

Link Posted: 12/27/2012 11:08:36 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Hater:
They think all of us right-wing rednecks could easily turn into goose-stepping thugs.


There is a sliver of truth to this.

If you are a Jew. That means you dont believe in Jesus, you dont want Jesus, and you get sick of people who want to ram Jesus into everything..... You may be fiscally conservative, you may be pro gun even. But you simply dont care much for government being in the morality business.

Now, you are looking at the world.

You see one side, the Left. They are pretty wide open and real happy to have you. They are not real interested in moral issues. They have been an agent of change for breaking down social problems. Yeah, they might suck with the money, yeah they might be anti gun (which gun people need to realize, a lot of people simply dont care about the gun issue, that doesnt make them anti gun, they just dont care and are not interested in learning about the issue either) The people who are the stereotypes of the left are smelly hippys, educated people, the famous, the save the planet types and the like.

On the other side you have the "Right." They seem to manage the money a little better but they are the party of Jesus and "queers are the problem"....and they seem to be pretty white Christian male. They are also some educated people, but the elite white's only country club type. They are aslo the "redneck southers racist" and the like.

Now, you are a Jew, (or a black or any minorit) Who are you going to pick?


Again, Gun people tend to think people care about our issue. (just like Religious people or environmental people or whatever) Folks, if someone doesnt care, they dont care. You calling them a "liberal idiot" pretty much turns the "on the fence" person against you.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 11:09:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Steven61:
I just don't get it. Israeli Jews seem conservative but American Jews seem so liberal.

Israel was founded by Communists and its most prominent citizens grew up in and participated in communes. I don't know where this mythology of a "conservative" Israel comes from.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 11:10:08 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Tod-13:
Here's an answer from the Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO).

http://jpfo.org/articles-assd02/why-jews-hate-guns.htm


That's a phenomenal article. As an American, a Jew, and a Libertarian, that rabbi speaks so directly to me.

Sadly, I know very few Jews who feel the same except for the few that live away from the hoplophobic cities like New York and LA. Almost all of my conservative Jewish friends here in Nevada are pro-gun... A stark clash from those I grew up with in New York.

I waste my breath endlessly trying to argue with some of my libtarded family and in-laws why we NEED guns, many of the very points made in that article. However, the truly hoplophobic self hating Jews will never come around to our side. Liberalism, it would seem, is a hard to treat mental disease.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 11:16:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Flogger23m:
Originally Posted By Steven61:
Originally Posted By Flogger23m:
Originally Posted By Steven61:
I just don't get it. Israeli Jews seem conservative but American Jews seem so liberal.
I guess its because Israel is surrounded by people trying to kill them and American Jews aren't. But, most Jews still remember the holocost and I cant imagin they would want to be in the same situation.
You think they would have learned from the 1940s that an armed subject has a fighting chance and would rather resist with a firearm than walk into a gas chamber or oven.

I have a friend born and raised in Isreal then moved here to the US and even he thinks civilians shouldnt have "assault rifles."
He was also in the Isreali military.
Jews ... please chime in as to why your fellow Jews are so liberal.


It is not just Jews in America, but all over the world, even in Israel. Israel is very socialist like and has some of the strictest gun laws for a modern country. Probably worse than the UK.


I though everyone in Israel had guns


Almost no one does. It is very difficult to get a firearms license, and even then, you are not able to get semi auto rifles and similar.


Well how about that. I learn something every day around here.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 11:17:01 AM EDT
It's a secret.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 11:22:58 AM EDT
i guess you've never heard of these folks -> http://jpfo.org/
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 11:23:28 AM EDT
fucking troll
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 11:24:19 AM EDT
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