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Posted: 4/20/2016 9:20:13 PM EDT
Ford allegedly dropped $199,950 on a Founders Series white Model X last month. Bloomberg says they’ve got vehicle registration paperwork proving that the car is VIN number 64, and that it was purchased by Ford from Corporate Auto of Auburn Hills, Michigan. The news site also says the Tesla has been seen driving around the Detroit area with manufacturer’s plates.
http://jalopnik.com/why-would-ford-spend-200-000-on-an-early-build-tesla-m-1772067062
Drop in the bucket...why not
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 9:21:40 PM EDT
To size up future competition.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 9:22:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By flash556:
Ford allegedly dropped $199,950 on a Founders Series white Model X last month. Bloomberg says they’ve got vehicle registration paperwork proving that the car is VIN number 64, and that it was purchased by Ford from Corporate Auto of Auburn Hills, Michigan. The news site also says the Tesla has been seen driving around the Detroit area with manufacturer’s plates.
http://jalopnik.com/why-would-ford-spend-200-000-on-an-early-build-tesla-m-1772067062
Drop in the bucket...why not
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OEM's typically own competative product for performance benchmarking
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 9:22:01 PM EDT
Because tesla bout to get paid
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Originally Posted By HKUSP9v1:
To size up future competition.
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And to reverse engineer.
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Originally Posted By mizzarley:

And to reverse engineer.
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Originally Posted By mizzarley:
Originally Posted By HKUSP9v1:
To size up future competition.

And to reverse engineer.


Correct, it's what any successful business would do.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 9:24:16 PM EDT
This is common for all car companies.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 9:34:27 PM EDT
Yep, they'll drive it around, measure it's performance and dynamics. And then completely disassemble it, take notes, measurements, etc. Then put it back together and stick it in a warehouse somewhere.
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And to reverse engineer.
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Originally Posted By mizzarley:
Originally Posted By HKUSP9v1:
To size up future competition.

And to reverse engineer.
True in many cases, in this particular case a ton of the patents and design stuff was made open source.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 9:46:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Amped:


Correct, it's what any successful business would do.
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Originally Posted By Amped:
Originally Posted By mizzarley:
Originally Posted By HKUSP9v1:
To size up future competition.

And to reverse engineer.


Correct, it's what any successful business would do.


Yeah except it's tesla one of their main things is they openly share their technology
There is no need to reverse engineer it is all easily available.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 9:51:22 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bjohnson425:


Yeah except it's tesla one of their main things is they openly share their technology
There is no need to reverse engineer it is all easily available.
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Originally Posted By bjohnson425:
Originally Posted By Amped:
Originally Posted By mizzarley:
Originally Posted By HKUSP9v1:
To size up future competition.

And to reverse engineer.


Correct, it's what any successful business would do.


Yeah except it's tesla one of their main things is they openly share their technology
There is no need to reverse engineer it is all easily available.


There's a big difference between being able to get a pile of papers with the tech specs and getting an example of the finished product for evaluation.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 10:06:47 PM EDT
They're going to reverse engineer it like the chinese govt does with our tech.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 2:56:48 AM EDT
They paid waaaayyy too much. I saw five of them, today, driving around the Silicon Valley area town for which I work.
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Originally Posted By vojta:
They paid waaaayyy too much. I saw five of them, today, driving around the Silicon Valley area town for which I work.
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I live in central Ohio and I've seen two of them.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 3:42:41 AM EDT
so their lawyers can look it over for potential patent infringements
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Originally Posted By gaspain:
so their lawyers can look it over for potential patent infringements
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What infringement, Telsa gives the tech away for free...

edit: oh you mean stolen from Ford
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 3:54:06 AM EDT
There are hundreds of reasons for one manufacturer to buy anothers' vehicle. How is this even a question?
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And to reverse engineer.
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Originally Posted By mizzarley:
Originally Posted By HKUSP9v1:
To size up future competition.

And to reverse engineer.

This and this.

The engineers are learning from other engineers.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 4:02:29 AM EDT
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I live in central Ohio and I've seen two of them.
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Originally Posted By vojta:
They paid waaaayyy too much. I saw five of them, today, driving around the Silicon Valley area town for which I work.


I live in central Ohio and I've seen two of them.


I'm near KC and there's a Tesla service center over near the Chiefs and Royals stadiums. It's actually in a bit of a shitty old industrial area. I have a feeling that the sort of person with the money to buy one of those cars will not feel comfortable in that part of town.
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Correct, it's what any successful business would do.
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Originally Posted By mizzarley:
Originally Posted By HKUSP9v1:
To size up future competition.

And to reverse engineer.


Correct, it's what any successful business would do.



I'm pretty sure that's standard practice for nearly all manufacturing companies - from microwaves to TVs to cars.

Does anyone really believe Sony, LG, and Samsung all independently develop the new technologies and designs?

The real sneaky shit is when they get design info before a release, or actual internal engineering documents.
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I'm near KC and there's a Tesla service center over near the Chiefs and Royals stadiums. It's actually in a bit of a shitty old industrial area. I have a feeling that the sort of person with the money to buy one of those cars will not feel comfortable in that part of town.
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I may be misremembering, but I think Tesla people will pick up and deliver your car if it needs any work.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 7:18:51 AM EDT
they outght to, since they pay about 7K for every tesla made.
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And build an inferior copy to sell to the masses.

TC
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Car companies buy competitors stuff all the time. My dad was an engineer at GM (Corvette program) and said they had a garage full of sportscars from other manufacturers.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 7:49:07 AM EDT
Maybe Ford will help them unfuck the doors. Lords knows tesla can't do it on their own.
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Originally Posted By vojta:
They paid waaaayyy too much. I saw five of them, today, driving around the Silicon Valley area town for which I work.
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It is called supply and demand.

Try and buy one.

You'll wait two years.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 8:12:42 AM EDT
I see one of those model S cars every day, it's driven by some total jackass, sometimes he will have a woman along with him, not sure how such a nice girl wound up with that asshole
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 8:21:31 AM EDT
Because they can.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 8:24:14 AM EDT
I don't understand why people are into these coal powered cars
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My state generates more power from nuclear than coal, so I don't worry about it much.

If I could afford a Tesla I'd have one.
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could be nuclear

edit: dam-it Carl, a few seconds late.

We are building Natural gas power plants here.
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My state generates more power from nuclear than coal, so I don't worry about it much.

If I could afford a Tesla I'd have one.
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Originally Posted By hellmann9655:
I don't understand why people are into these coal powered cars


My state generates more power from nuclear than coal, so I don't worry about it much.

If I could afford a Tesla I'd have one.

nuclear powered cars? Man you must be living in the future!
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It is called supply and demand.

Try and buy one.

You'll wait two years.
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Originally Posted By vojta:
They paid waaaayyy too much. I saw five of them, today, driving around the Silicon Valley area town for which I work.



It is called supply and demand.

Try and buy one.

You'll wait two years.
Trust me..the model x is supply constrained.
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Or sued.

You guys heard about those super secret patents that the oil companies and big 3 would go around and buy up from their inventors for big $, or they world have an accident and a fire at their home/ shop.

Kind of like what happened to Nikola Tesla.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:10:48 AM EDT
Originally Posted By flash556:
Ford allegedly dropped $199,950 on a Founders Series white Model X last month. Bloomberg says they’ve got vehicle registration paperwork proving that the car is VIN number 64, and that it was purchased by Ford from Corporate Auto of Auburn Hills, Michigan. The news site also says the Tesla has been seen driving around the Detroit area with manufacturer’s plates.
http://jalopnik.com/why-would-ford-spend-200-000-on-an-early-build-tesla-m-1772067062
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Well that's nonsense.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:17:22 AM EDT
Ford has sold electric cars before . I got to test drive a battery powered Ranger years ago. .They sell hybrids now as well as a Focus electric
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Meh, Ford is late to the Model X game, VW took delivery of its Model X months ago.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:36:47 AM EDT
Pretty sure every major manufacturer buys cars from every other manufacturer to tear them apart
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ford has obviously been taken over by the Chinese.
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yeah probably some rich asshole who never earned a dime in his life. I mean the american dream is dead. People who find themselves living out of their bronco are never going to be able to afford such a car.
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because the coal comes from 'murica and not fucking saudi arabia

what i can't understand is the Gasholes. seriously why do they hate america and support saudi islamic terror?
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My state generates more power from nuclear than coal, so I don't worry about it much.

If I could afford a Tesla I'd have one.
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Originally Posted By turningfinal:
Originally Posted By hellmann9655:
I don't understand why people are into these coal powered cars


My state generates more power from nuclear than coal, so I don't worry about it much.

If I could afford a Tesla I'd have one.


Same - I'd have one.

If they came out with a pickup truck version that could stand minor dunking at the boat ramps ... hell, that'd be fine.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 10:09:27 AM EDT
Free R&D. Tesla has raised gobs of capital and done tons of R&D. The other manufacturers are going to take that and make reliable cars at a profit. Tesla, on the other hand, will be bankrupt in a very few years.

Mark my words.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 10:13:09 AM EDT
Teardown analysis.


At least they did that back in the 90's. They would simply go to a dual dealer and request the first one and pay sticker price for it.

I suppose with Tesla they did something similar.
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I live in central Ohio and I've seen two of them.
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Originally Posted By vojta:
They paid waaaayyy too much. I saw five of them, today, driving around the Silicon Valley area town for which I work.


I live in central Ohio and I've seen two of them.


I saw one at walmart in central ohio a few weeks ago.
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Mostly so GD can motherfucker all over Ford and get back to buying Hyundai's or whatever's popular here.

Minds would melt if they knew that the manufacturers hold enough of each other's stock to get seats on the board and access to otherwise private information.
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Originally Posted By AnticitizenOne:
Mostly so GD can motherfucker all over Ford and get back to buying Hyundai's or whatever's popular here.

Minds would melt if they knew that the manufacturers hold enough of each other's stock to get seats on the board and access to otherwise private information.
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Originally Posted By spartandieseltech:
There are hundreds of reasons for one manufacturer to buy anothers' vehicle. How is this even a question?
Mostly so GD can motherfucker all over Ford and get back to buying Hyundai's or whatever's popular here.

Minds would melt if they knew that the manufacturers hold enough of each other's stock to get seats on the board and access to otherwise private information.


Bingo

Granted this is a little outdated, but you get the idea

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They have their top men on it.




Top men.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 10:32:33 AM EDT
Ford's actually had an interest in Tesla's technology for a while. The Fusion Energi is probably a better, more usable car than a Tesla 3, for the same money, as a result of Tesla's "open source patents".

I think Elon Musk is an asshole, but I like what he's trying to do. And honestly, I applaud Ford for using Tesla as an R&D lab instead of scooping it up and "adding it to the vault" as GM appears to have done so many times.
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Originally Posted By ghengiskhabb:
Teardown analysis.


At least they did that back in the 90's. They would simply go to a dual dealer and request the first one and pay sticker price for it.

I suppose with Tesla they did something similar.
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Par for the course in the auto industry. Not only will the cars be driven and completely disassembled, it may be sliced up for insight into new manufacturing procedures.
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