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Posted: 4/30/2002 10:17:42 AM EDT
Has DU.com or some other force for evil and stupidity just lately found out about us, or can anyone think of a better explanation for the sudden appearance of a number of eager trolls on the board?
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 10:20:21 AM EDT
I give up, why are you here [:K]_22 ?? Muhaha! TheRedGoat
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 10:25:56 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/30/2002 10:27:22 AM EDT
F U L L M O O N ! ? !
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 10:27:53 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TheRedGoat: I give up, why are you here [:K]_22 ??
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Does my appearance look sudden to you, DaRedSheep?
Registered: Feb 2001 Posts: 2697 of 2697
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Link Posted: 4/30/2002 10:28:57 AM EDT
Originally Posted By raf: It's not so much the trolls. They'll come and go, but one and another will [i]always[/i] be with us. The basic problem is that folks can't resist the urge to feed them (and I've done it, too, dammit). These clowns get their jollies by getting attention; good, bad, doesn't matter. They love the [b]attention[/b]. Indifference is what they hate, and that's exactly what [b]we[/b] should give them.
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That, and the fact that they seem to be permitted to run loose and play their reindeer games with abandon, huh?
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 10:29:30 AM EDT
Or maybe it's just another case of "Full-Moon-Madness." Sometimes it's vicious infighting, sometimes it's trolls, and sometimes it's goofy threads like yesterday. [;)]
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 10:30:52 AM EDT
I don't know!
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 10:33:53 AM EDT
Who knows, I just ig em anyway. I was seriously thinking of calling in arty :)
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 10:35:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/30/2002 10:36:38 AM EDT by TheRedGoat]
Originally Posted By Jarhead_22:
Originally Posted By TheRedGoat: I give up, why are you here [:K]_22 ??
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Does my appearance look sudden to you, DaRedSheep?
Registered: Feb 2001 Posts: 2697 of 2697
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Somehow you seem vaguely familiar, but I just can't seem to place your face... [;)] TheRedGoat BTW, I forgot to post this in the "inter-service jokes" thread: Q: What does human feces sound like when it goes through an electric fan.... A: Muuuhhhhrrreeeeeeeaaannnnn! My Airforce buddy (6'5" 250) likes to tell that one alot.
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 10:36:16 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 10:37:18 AM EDT
Trolls are attracted to sites that display a high degree of hostility between participants.
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 10:39:21 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Jarhead_22: Registered: Feb 2001 Posts: 2697 of 2697
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I got here February 2001, beat ya! TheRedGoat
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 10:40:29 AM EDT
Originally Posted By raf: It's not so much the trolls. They'll come and go, but one and another will [i]always[/i] be with us. The basic problem is that folks can't resist the urge to feed them (and I've done it, too, dammit). These clowns get their jollies by getting attention; good, bad, doesn't matter. They love the [b]attention[/b]. Indifference is what they hate, and that's exactly what [b]we[/b] should give them.
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But eviscerating trolls is what [b]I[/b] get [b]MY[/b] jollies doing! [chainsawkill] [:K][heavy] [kill] [frag] [pyro][:K] [XX(] [devil] [bounce] [beer]
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 10:41:49 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TheRedGoat: I got here February 2001, beat ya! TheRedGoat
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Actually, it says that you got here in January, 2001. Reeding is your frend, huh? R you huked on foniks?
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 10:42:53 AM EDT
It is a good thing for them to come here and be exposed to the truth.
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 10:43:26 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TheRedGoat:
Originally Posted By Jarhead_22: Registered: Feb 2001 Posts: 2697 of 2697
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I got here February 2001, beat ya! TheRedGoat
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So the definition of troll is some one who Registers after you or has less posts than you?
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 10:45:15 AM EDT
I would say that a troll is identified by their conduct: trolling. But a ridiculously high post count in a very short time is a danger sign.
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 10:49:11 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Imbroglio: Trolls are attracted to sites that display a high degree of hostility between participants.
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your a lover not a fighter
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 10:49:50 AM EDT
[size=5]The original Troll![/size=5] Like a nasty Herpes infection trolls are ever present if not festering on the surface. Poke at them, itch them and they just get worse. The actions of the trolls bring out the worse in those that post here on a regular basis that would otherwise not post such crap. Most trolls weren't loved enough my their parents and have some irrational hate towards someone or something else.
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 10:50:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ar10er:
Originally Posted By TheRedGoat:
Originally Posted By Jarhead_22: Registered: Feb 2001 Posts: 2697 of 2697
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I got here February 2001, beat ya! TheRedGoat
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So the definition of troll is some one who Registers after you or has less posts than you?
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Beat you both!
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 10:51:49 AM EDT
Just as certain cretins and members of the [b][i]Corvus[/i][/b] family of birds are drawn to bright shiny objects, so it is with trolls! They see the splendor of this site, its droll wit, the quality of the participants, the real substance and knowledge found in all of our discussions, and their little beady eyes covet what they have found, and what they so lack in their own tortured lives. Well. It's either that, or they're still coming here looking for BOTD threads![:D] A good whack on the nose with a rolled-up newspaper and they will be on their dim-witted way again! Luckily, they do not mate or spawn. Eric The(Responsible)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 10:57:26 AM EDT
Originally Posted By raf: FWIW, I've locked three threads today, not that I take any joy in it. Necessary, is all. If you have problems with the moderation on this site, you always have the option to discuss it personally with the Moderator you differ with, or "take it upstairs". Your call.
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I have, and will continue to do so as long as there is an obvious inconsistency in which of the the "Forums Conduct Codes" are being enforced.
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 11:01:46 AM EDT
ETH Luckily, they do not mate or spawn. I have to dissagree with you on this one ETH. Just look at Chelsea.
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 11:04:17 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/30/2002 11:07:28 AM EDT
I'd be more inclined to call them tools. Damn, I like that word. -T.
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 11:09:40 AM EDT
greetings, long time shooter, but relatively new to message boards; what is a troll? in the fishing sense, as in dragging a controversial topic through the mix, hoping to start an argument?
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 11:14:10 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 11:15:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Macallan: But eviscerating trolls is what [b]I[/b] get [b]MY[/b] jollies doing!
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But, Mac, that makes you a Troll. Let's just ignore the troll posts.
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 11:17:10 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory:
Originally Posted By The_Macallan: But eviscerating trolls is what [b]I[/b] get [b]MY[/b] jollies doing!
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But, Mac, that makes you a Troll. Let's just ignore the troll posts.
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[rolleyes]
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 11:21:04 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Jarhead_22: I would say that a troll is identified by their conduct: trolling. But a ridiculously high post count in a very short time is a danger sign.
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Trolling is in the quality, not content of a member's postings. If a member hasn't posted troll-posts, he hasn't trolled.
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 11:23:42 AM EDT
Originally Posted By raf: Could you be more specific? Edited to add: I'll be away fron the site for a little while, and so unable to respond in a timely manner. If you have any issues you want to discuss with me personally, please e-mail me.
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I have, haven't I raf? But I don't mind repeating myself. Personal attacks and [b]trolling[/b] are allowed to continue for pages and pages, yet any hint of anyone standing up to a troll or personal attack is deemed a pissing match and shut down. People who post inflammatory or controversial topics are occasionally banned and then given back their posting privileges, while obvious trolls toil on continuously, seemingly under the radar of those with the juice to put them out of business.
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 11:28:24 AM EDT
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[:K]'s taste like chicken!
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 11:29:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By len_223: greetings, long time shooter, but relatively new to message boards; what is a troll? in the fishing sense, as in dragging a controversial topic through the mix, hoping to start an argument?
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Not all controversial topics are trolling. Some controversial topics are taken serious by multiple members. Trolling is "Either to piss someone off or simply for your personal enjoyment."
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 11:33:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/30/2002 11:35:50 AM EDT by ARndog]
Originally Posted By Jarhead_22: I would say that a troll is identified by their conduct: trolling. [b]But a ridiculously high post count in a very short time is a danger sign.[/b]
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Blaze-Of-Glory Registered: [b]Apr 2002[/b] Posts: 516 of [b]517[/b] [}:D]
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 11:37:26 AM EDT
It seems that we have many definitions of a troll here, so who would be the finale arbitrator on this? [:D]
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 11:44:44 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ar10er: It seems that we have many definitions of a troll here, so who would be the finale arbitrator on this? [:D]
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[url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/announcement.html?id=25[/url]
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 11:47:57 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory:
Originally Posted By ar10er: It seems that we have many definitions of a troll here, so who would be the finale arbitrator on this? [:D]
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[url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/announcement.html?id=25[/url]
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That is what I put the smiley up for.[;)]
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 11:49:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory:
Originally Posted By ar10er: It seems that we have many definitions of a troll here, so who would be the finale arbitrator on this? [:D]
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[url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/announcement.html?id=25[/url]
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You've only been here a few weeks, partner. Since the electrons that make up that announcement can't make any actual decisions, why not step back and let the folks who run the show make that call, mmkay? That would be Goatboy, EdAvilaSr and DonR for the most part, as well as the legion of moderators and lesser cacodemons.
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 11:54:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Jarhead_22: I would say that a troll is identified by their conduct: trolling. But a ridiculously high post count in a very short time is a danger sign.
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And you have 2710 in 15 months? Wouldn't you consider averaging 180 posts per month kinda high? Incriminating yourself? Take the Fifth while you can. Wouldn't content of the posts be more a defining measure, than frequency. 223REM
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 12:00:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Jarhead_22: You've only been here a few weeks, partner. Since the electrons that make up that announcement can't make any actual decisions, why not step back and let the folks who run the show make that call, mmkay? That would be Goatboy, EdAvilaSr and DonR for the most part, as well as the legion of moderators and lesser cacodemons.
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Of course the staff can do whatever they want. Earlier posts questioned whether high post-counts and controversial topics might constitute trolling, and the Forum Code answers 'no'. But we agree, the staff can do what they want.
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 12:05:03 PM EDT
So everyone gets pissy about the Forum Conduct Codes when it comes to "trolls" - the definition of which is quite subjective - but when Steyr Aug calls another member an "asshole" repeatedly, as he did in one of kentstate4's threads, it's ignored. That's quite selective! Again, it's good to know "asshole" is an acceptable term now to decribe each other in here. Assholes.
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 12:05:55 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 223Rem:
Originally Posted By Jarhead_22: I would say that a troll is identified by their conduct: trolling. But a ridiculously high post count in a very short time is a danger sign.
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And you have 2710 in 15 months? Wouldn't you consider averaging 180 posts per month kinda high? Incriminating yourself? Take the Fifth while you can. Wouldn't content of the posts be more a defining measure, than frequency. 223REM
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Did I say "defining measure?" I don't believe I did. Let me check.....nope. I said "danger sign." There's a difference.
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 12:08:41 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jobux: So everyone gets pissy about the Forum Conduct Codes when it comes to "trolls" - the definition of which is quite subjective - but when Steyr Aug calls another member an "asshole" repeatedly, as he did in one of kentstate4's threads, it's ignored. That's quite selective! Again, it's good to know "asshole" is an acceptable term now to decribe each other in here. Assholes.
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Trolling is one thing. Calling a spade a spade is another.
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 12:11:33 PM EDT
Post from Jarhead_22 -
...lesser cacodemons.
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Neato! I think I like that title best of all! Eric The(LesserCacodemon)Hun[>]:)] Yep, that looks pretty high falutin from my vantage point! Not to be confused with the [b]'lesser cacoDaMan'[/b], and infinitely more sociable. Post from jobux -
Again, it's good to know "asshole" is an acceptable term now to describe each other in here.
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I'll pass on the 'a-hole' appellation if you don't mind! Eric The(Picayunish)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 12:20:25 PM EDT
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So jarhead, that's a "spade" according to you. Taking that logic & extending it: a troll to DaMan is someone who supports Israel in any way, a troll to some other posters is anyone who questions what happened to the USS Liberty, a troll to Steyr is someone who think that what happened at Kent State was wrong. Eye of the beholder. That's all fine and dandy, but last I checked this was a General Discussion board where you weren't required to toe the party line - as long as you followed the board rules. Funny thing is, if kentstate4 had called Steyr an asshole he'd prob be banned & his post locked, but if Steyr does it, it's ignored. Funny. If you disagree w/ someone why do so many of you find it difficult to either: a: IGNORE THEM or b: DEBATE THEM LIKE INTELLIGENT HUMANS ??? Like children, the first thing many here do when they disagree is resort to name calling & personal attacks. Then, hypocritically, when the "troll" turns around & does the same, people call out to the high heavens for the mods to take action. LMFAO!
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 12:26:01 PM EDT
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So SOMEONES TROLL IS ANOTHER PERSONS CHAMPION. Huh... IT IS DU. Hmmm, something very fishy here. DaMan, could be DuMan... OOOH Ben
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 12:39:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jobux: So jarhead, that's a "spade" according to you. Taking that logic & extending it: a troll to DaMan is someone who supports Israel in any way, a troll to some other posters is anyone who questions what happened to the USS Liberty, a troll to Steyr is someone who think that what happened at Kent State was wrong. Eye of the beholder. That's all fine and dandy, but last I checked this was a General Discussion board where you weren't required to toe the party line - as long as you followed the board rules. Funny thing is, if kentstate4 had called Steyr an asshole he'd prob be banned & his post locked, but if Steyr does it, it's ignored. Funny. If you disagree w/ someone why do so many of you find it difficult to either: a: IGNORE THEM or b: DEBATE THEM LIKE INTELLIGENT HUMANS ??? Like children, the first thing many here do when they disagree is resort to name calling & personal attacks. Then, hypocritically, when the "troll" turns around & does the same, people call out to the high heavens for the mods to take action. LMFAO!
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As for what course others may take, who can tell. But I try to give anyone the benefit of the doubt, and conduct myself to fairly respectful, factual debate until they take the low road. This frustrates me, because then they are using typical MillionMomMarch tactics and obviously can't be reasoned with. If you review some of my more heated exchanges on this forum, you'll see that I tried to stay civil even in the face of repeated insults and accusations. After the trolling and personal attacks were left alone for hours or sometimes days by the moderators, I upped the throttle a notch or two to try and make my point or get the information I was seeking. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. This goes with name-calling as well. With all that kentstate4 gets away with here, do you think that "asshole" would have any impact if the rest of his behavior is laughed off or ignored? Come on. And note that it was you who started making specific accusations on this thread, not me.
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 12:54:23 PM EDT
Class... [size=4]Class![/size=4] [size=6]SHUT UPPPPP!!!![/size=6] --Sister Mary Elephant
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 12:58:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jobux: If you disagree w/ someone why do so many of you find it difficult to either: a: IGNORE THEM or b: DEBATE THEM LIKE INTELLIGENT HUMANS ??? Like children, the first thing many here do when they disagree is resort to name calling & personal attacks. Then, hypocritically, when the "troll" turns around & does the same, people call out to the high heavens for the mods to take action. LMFAO!
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You are absolutely correct.
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