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Posted: 10/11/2002 3:14:18 PM EDT
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Seems like you feel that WalMart is somehow unfairly competing against smaller, local outfits. Maybe, maybe not.
But a petition against WalMart doesn't sound like fair busness practice to me, either. And it certainly attempts to strike a blow against all gun owners. If a petition could make a giant like WalMart cave in, how long to you think the smaller outfits could hold out against similar pressure? Maybe you need to step back and look at the big picture. This isn't about WalMart, or even ammo or guns. It's about the Antis having their way. I don't want to have that to happen, and so I signed the petition. We can figure out the Walmart vs. little guy stuff later. |
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Posted: 10/11/2002 3:29:15 PM EDT
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You are certainly welcome to your opinion, and I respect that, even though I completely disagree with you. There is no denying that Wal-mart has put some small companies out of business, and will probably do so in the future. But patronizing Wal-Mart is exercising capitalism. And CAPITALISM WORKS. Your argument suggests that the existense of Wal-Mart means that no other businesses can exist. That all other gun stores will fail and then you will HAVE to buy from Wal-Mart. Since Wal-mart doesn't sell the thing you want, you're screwed.
Well that very argument is proof that Wal-mart WON't drive the small guy out of business. For example, Wal-Mart doesn't sell ARs. So by your argument, when Wal-mart "takes over", people will just stop buying ARs and any company that makes them will be out of business ! Since you can't buy it at Wal-Mart, the market will just go away. That is ludicrous and is not based in reality. Capitalism is DEPENDENT on the majority of businesses being the small mom and pop types with a few medium and a few large and yes even a few Mega size businesses thrown in the mix. I personally shop at Wal-Mart. I also shop at several small businesses. I shop at gun shows, over the internet, etc. etc. The point is that I shop. Since there is a market, there will be businesses, both large and small, to meet the demands of that market. |
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Posted: 10/11/2002 3:29:37 PM EDT
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I was just stating my opinion and laying out where my priorities are. My priorities aren't in supporting a company who doesn't wholly support my gun owning rights. I don't think Wal-Mart sells any handguns or rifles I'm interested in, so I'm not going to buy other things there just to save a dollar. If you don't think the big boy is pushing out the small guy, then I guess you aren't looking. I buy most of my ammo at the same place I buy most of my guns... the local gun store. Didn't K-Mart stop selling guns and ammo? Where they at now? I did shop at a K-Mart when the prices were 50-70% off, at a store closing.
If anyone starts a petition to get Wal-Mart to sell handguns and a better selection of rifles, let me know. That I might sign. |
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Posted: 10/11/2002 3:32:59 PM EDT
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JAFO we dont even have many wal-marts in washington. But in my union hall they had a story posted about some injured wal-mart employes. To make a long storie short wal-mart tried to deny there claim and screw them all over. some of them were seriously hurt to where they couldnt work again, cept maybe as a wal-mart greeter.
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Posted: 10/11/2002 3:38:20 PM EDT
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Quoted: If anyone starts a petition to get Wal-Mart to sell handguns and a better selection of rifles, let me know. That I might sign. You won't support Wal-Mart because they are driving the little guy out of business.... but you would suport them if they EXPANDED their selection of firearms, and really put the screws to the little guy????????? Please explain that one. |
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Posted: 10/11/2002 3:41:25 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: If anyone starts a petition to get Wal-Mart to sell handguns and a better selection of rifles, let me know. That I might sign. You won't support Wal-Mart because they are driving the little guy out of business.... but you would suport them if they EXPANDED their selection of firearms, and really put the screws to the little guy????????? Please explain that one. "might" |
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Posted: 10/11/2002 3:47:20 PM EDT
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WalMart SUCKS. I still signed the petition. I want them to know that the "public" is not comprised of left wing, bleeding heart, Pinkos. One of the biggest failures of the Right wing, and conservatives in general, is our preference to be left alone, and hence our belief in leaving others alone. Unfortunately this leaves the socialist under-flat-rock-dwelling fear-mongering rally raising MMMers to influence public policy without a balance.
I voted to help the balance. |
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Posted: 10/11/2002 3:51:58 PM EDT
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If you don't think the mom 'n pops stores will disappear, talk to an independent gas station owner, if you can find one. That industry works in a very similar manner. Big company-owned stations move in, sell gas at a loss, just to take over the market, then raise the prices when the independents close down because they can't survive.
Talk to gun store owners. Ask them if they can survive on selling guns alone. I doubt that many do. There are a lot of people who use gun stores only for transfers. Do you think that will keep them in business? With the competition from internet sales and distributors, they have to lower their price to sell any, and that lowers their profit margin. I am not perfect. I ordered some ammo online. My gun store doesn't stock Lake City XM193 and I wanted to try it. It's hard to spend more at the gun store sometimes, since I'm unemployed, but I make it a point to try. I'm not condemning everyone who shops at Wal-Mart. I have shopped there once or twice. I'm simply stating my beliefs. |
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Posted: 10/11/2002 4:06:35 PM EDT
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Quoted: I'm simply stating my beliefs. PLEASE don't take my comments as any sort of attack on you personally. I certainly respect your opinions and beliefs. I just disagree. I do the majority of my shopping at the "little guy" gunstore. I simply prefer shopping there. But I don't feel the least bit guilty about it when I pick up a good deal at Wal-mart, too. |
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Posted: 10/11/2002 7:56:01 PM EDT
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JAFO, maybe you need to watch the 'underpants gnome' episode of south park. It might clear some things up.
Expansion and consolidation are natural parts of the business cycle. Then a comes a new / better way of doing business, and in a decade or so, walmart may become an endangered species - and the one that replaces it may be a 'mom and pop' store today. So will they go from benevolent to evil just because they were successful and expanded? Because they fill a need better and for less than other stores that couldn't compete and went out of business? Go to your library and read the stories of businesses like walmart, sears, wolworths (one of those 'five and dime' places - actually one of the first). They all started out small and and sacrificed for years to even break even. Then they kept getting better until they because the dominant player in their market - or created a market of their own. BTW: My neighborhood hardware store sucks. They're good if I need 1 thing while they're open, but after 5 on a weekday and 2 on a saturday, I'm out of luck. Don't even ask about sunday. Maybe I should just wait to fix my toilet or other problems until they open, just so I can support them? |
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Posted: 10/11/2002 8:05:23 PM EDT
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Quoted: Seems like you feel that WalMart is somehow unfairly competing against smaller, local outfits. Maybe, maybe not. But a petition against WalMart doesn't sound like fair busness practice to me, either. And it certainly attempts to strike a blow against all gun owners. If a petition could make a giant like WalMart cave in, how long to you think the smaller outfits could hold out against similar pressure? Maybe you need to step back and look at the big picture. This isn't about WalMart, or even ammo or guns. It's about the Antis having their way. I don't want to have that to happen, and so I signed the petition. We can figure out the Walmart vs. little guy stuff later. RAF, thanx for saving me some typing. I guess some people think Michael Moron will stop with one company.... Scott [:D] |
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Posted: 10/11/2002 8:10:00 PM EDT
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Quoted: JAFO, maybe you need to watch the 'underpants gnome' episode of south park. It might clear some things up. Expansion and consolidation are natural parts of the business cycle. Then a comes a new / better way of doing business, and in a decade or so, walmart may become an endangered species - and the one that replaces it may be a 'mom and pop' store today. So will they go from benevolent to evil just because they were successful and expanded? Because they fill a need better and for less than other stores that couldn't compete and went out of business? Go to your library and read the stories of businesses like walmart, sears, wolworths (one of those 'five and dime' places - actually one of the first). They all started out small and and sacrificed for years to even break even. Then they kept getting better until they because the dominant player in their market - or created a market of their own. BTW: My neighborhood hardware store sucks. They're good if I need 1 thing while they're open, but after 5 on a weekday and 2 on a saturday, I'm out of luck. Don't even ask about sunday. Maybe I should just wait to fix my toilet or other problems until they open, just so I can support them? Sam Walton started his business with [b]ONE[/b] five and dime store in Arkansas. How did that grow into an international [b]MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR[/b] business? His business acumen and hard work had a little bit to do with it. Scott |
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Posted: 10/11/2002 8:13:14 PM EDT
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I had to deal with an idiot from Wally world today......I wanted (1) box of 12g #6 2 3/4in game load so he hands me 12g #6 3 1/2 copperplated turkey load I said no THE BOX AT THE BOTTOM so he goes to the TOP shelf and hands me 20g #6 I said no THE ONES FOR 12g AT THE BOTTOM so he goes to the middle shelf and hands me 12g #6 steel shot! On the next try he finally grabs the right box so then I ask for 12g 00b and he goes "what do you need that for it ain't deer season!!"
Shesh |
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Posted: 10/11/2002 8:16:09 PM EDT
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Quoted: I had to deal with an idiot from Wally world today......I wanted (1) box of 12g #6 2 3/4in game load so he hands me 12g #6 3 1/2 copperplated turkey load I said no THE BOX AT THE BOTTOM so he goes to the TOP shelf and hands me 20g #6 I said no THE ONES FOR 12g AT THE BOTTOM so he goes to the middle shelf and hands me 12g #6 steel shot! On the next try he finally grabs the right box so then I ask for 12g 00b and he goes "what do you need that for it ain't deer season!!" Shesh NOYB on the question he asked..... Scott |
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Posted: 10/11/2002 8:18:31 PM EDT
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I try to buy one box of ammo when I sto pby the local store/range that I usually shoot at, but only one. I used to buy more of their lowest price stuff, until I started getting 2-3 no fires in every box and then saw the same thing happen across multiple calibers (same brand name) when I went for my CCW training.
They charge $6 more per box than Wal-Mart on the 9mm and $4 more per box on the .223. I simply cannot afford to buy all of my ammo at a store with those prices, especially since I was laid off. When I do shop Wally world for other things, I try to avoid anything that says made in china and will usually compare prices and where they are made with some other stores (like Lowes or Home Depot for gardening stuff, the local garden places around me have no CCW signs up and will not get a dime from me). |
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Posted: 10/11/2002 8:30:38 PM EDT
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Screw Wal-Mart. They already chose not to sell ammo around here.
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Posted: 10/11/2002 8:30:56 PM EDT
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Walmart around here sells handguns (roughly 20 different models and will special order for you) and has a decent selection of rifles and shotguns. The guy behind the counter on most days is an FFL dealer when he isn't at work. I'm thinking he sells a lot of firearms when a customer comes in and wants something not on the rack...
JAFO - you just worried that when you start selling monkey balls that Walmart will follow suit and put you out of business??? [:D] |
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Posted: 10/11/2002 8:34:16 PM EDT
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The FFL stores should have a book of special order guns.....
Scott |
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Posted: 10/11/2002 8:36:44 PM EDT
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Ammo petition? URL?
-kill-9 |
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Posted: 10/11/2002 8:44:39 PM EDT
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Quoted: Screw Wal-Mart. They already chose not to sell ammo around here. are you from the communist, republic of kalifornia? |
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Posted: 10/11/2002 8:54:13 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Screw Wal-Mart. They already chose not to sell ammo around here. are you from the communist, republic of kalifornia? Wrong coast. |
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Posted: 10/11/2002 8:57:49 PM EDT
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JAFO,
Shoot, no one said you had to buy there if you signed the petition. I never shop at Walmart - never will because of the way they do business. I sometimes have to smile though at what they try. Friend of mine who owns a small gun store in a town couple hours from here told me the latest good one. He said the chamber of commerce there, when WalMart was building, had the balls to go to every business in town asking for donations for a big banner that would stretch clear across a 4-lane roadway. And of course, all the other businesses in town were anxious to contribute to this "community" effort, for the banner that read: Welcome to Walmart! Not! NMSight |
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Posted: 10/11/2002 9:26:16 PM EDT
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Anyone that shops at walmart has their head up their ass.
Walfart leaves scorched earth were ever they go. If you want every retail worker in your town to be makin $9 an hour with no benifits,and your selection of merchandise to be limited to all that chicom shit they sell in places like walfart and Kfart.......just keep on shopping there.Eventually thats all that'll be left.Clothes ,hardware,groceries,toys electronics ect....... Welcome to walfart. I went in one once.It was like a fuckin third world in there.All sorts a peglegs,foriegners and other screwbals gimpin around.Piles of merchandise in the middle of every isle and not a knowledgable employee to be found. When I did find what I was lookin for (after walkin around at least a mile or two[:)])it was wiped out,nothing left.I'm not sure I could have stood buying it anyway since there were 10 people(including the obligatory screaming babies) in every line. I walked out,and will never step foot in another walfart as long as I live. Good deals on all the crap they sell can be found at other sources. |
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Posted: 10/12/2002 9:42:58 AM EDT
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Quoted: The FFL stores should have a book of special order guns..... Scott This is true. I should have mentioned that I have not actually bought or ordered any guns at Walmart. I was merely mentioning that they did sell handguns here and the guy behind the counter knows what he is talking about. He helps me out even though he knows my only purchases are going to be .22LR bricks and an occasional cheap item (scope caps, etc.... not going to pay double just to get those from a real gun store with less of a selection). This guy once led me through the ins and outs of reloading for an hour on Walmart's dime. When I asked him about Walmart's no handgun policy (while standing at the handgun counter) he said that all their firearms are supplied by a local dealer, not Walmart. He said he could not give me the dealer's name - could have been him for all I know. Some local dealer is probably making bank in volume off of walmart. |
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Posted: 10/12/2002 10:03:49 AM EDT
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To those who think Walmart is a great company for putting small gun stores out of business, when was the last time you saw Wallyworld selling in their gun department anything remotely resembling an "assault weapon"?
I can guarantee that they will eventually follow the route of Kmart and pull all guns and ammo from the shelves. Then you all will be forced to buy everything mail order, that is if you like buying guns without seeing them first and IF you can find an FFL still in business in your area willing to do a transfer. |
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Posted: 10/12/2002 12:24:35 PM EDT
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Quoted: JAFO, maybe you need to watch the 'underpants gnome' episode of south park. It might clear some things up. Sorry, never watched South Park. Any other suggestions of cartoons I should model my life after? I know how it works. I know which end of the market I'll support. Wonder how many gun owners will still go there to buy their toilet parts when they quit selling cheap ammo? |
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Posted: 10/12/2002 12:48:25 PM EDT
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WalMart bad?
Just wait till everyone works for the USSA. Long waiting lines for the shoddiest goods sold in government stores. There wont be ANY ammo sold in those stores, as guns will be illegal by then. |
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Posted: 10/12/2002 1:19:57 PM EDT
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Quoted: I went in one once.It was like a fuckin third world in there.All sorts a peglegs,foriegners and other screwbals gimpin around.Piles of merchandise in the middle of every isle and not a knowledgable employee to be found. Hate to break this for you, but the people you see in your local Walmart reflect your LOCAL community. Apparently you live in a place full of "all sorts of peglegs, foreigners, and other screwballs" that "gimp around." Same thing goes for the quality of the employees--granted, the only folks that can usually afford to work for the wages Walmart pays are high school kids, but did you ever stop to think about the fact that the utter lack of knowledge displayed by those high school kids is a reflection on their upbringing? Personally, I'm pretty impressed by the staff of my local Walmart--most of them are a good bunch. The tire and lube shop is staffed by people who actually know about cars. I talk guns and knives with the sporting good clerks (they ALL hunt, fish, and shoot) and I can even geek with most of the guys in the electronics department. Of course, this is eastern Tennessee--I don't see many peglegs or gimps around, and the only foreigners around here are the mexican farm workers. |
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Posted: 10/12/2002 3:23:13 PM EDT
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Quoted: I went in one once.It was like a fuckin third world in there.All sorts a peglegs,foriegners and other screwbals gimpin around.Piles of merchandise in the middle of every isle and not a knowledgable employee to be found. You forgot to make fun of people in wheel chairs and blind people. Or are they included under 'other screwbals'(sic)? Foriegners, huh? Those durn foriegners. Say, what tribe are you with? |
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Posted: 10/12/2002 5:44:05 PM EDT
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So you guys are tellin me you've never walked into a Walmart or Kmart and seen a world a people you've never seen before?[rolleyes]
Who said anything about wheelchairs and blind people? |
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Posted: 10/12/2002 6:59:38 PM EDT
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I buy ammo where it is cheapest... Walmart or mail order and use the savings to buy guns from my local dealer. I'm about value. My gun dealer, who is also one of my closest friends, does not earn my paycheck - I do! I will make sure that I can maximize its utility. Nobody commands my resources, I do. So Walmart, here I come.
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