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Posted: 9/3/2015 6:07:54 PM EST
The reason that ISIS itself gives for destroying ancient temples is that they represent pagan worship, which is anathema to Islam.

There's another theory, though, that may be more plausible. Ancient artifacts (statues, inscriptions, etc.) are priceless on the world market. Selling them is another source of funding for ISIS, which removes them from their sites and sends them to cooperative dealers in the West. ISIS then destroys the monuments from which they came, to cover their tracks

Read more here:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/isis-profits-from-destruction-of-antiquities-by-selling-relics-to-dealers--and-then-blowing-up-the-buildings-they-come-from-to-conceal-the-evidence-of-looting-10483421.html

The way to fight this is to make ancient artifacts from the Middle East unmarketable, the way we do with elephant tusks and rhino horns. There has to be a worldwide embargo on such items.
Link Posted: 9/3/2015 6:12:50 PM EST
The best way to rewrite history is to destroy the real history
Link Posted: 9/3/2015 6:14:10 PM EST
Its sad really that ancient history is being destroyed like that but on the other hand Egyptian grave robbers are doing even more damage.
Link Posted: 9/3/2015 6:15:20 PM EST
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I'll go with this.


OP has a point, and that might be plausible.


But my money is on the hajji version of 1984.

"We've always been at war with the west"
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"The archaeologist who looked after ancient ruins of Palmyra in Syria for 40 years is reported to have been killed by Islamic State (IS) militants...

They killed him because he would not betray his deep commitment to Palmyra," Unesco Director General Irina Bokova said in a statement...

Jihadists in Palmyra were looking for "stores of gold" in the city, Mr Karim said, [but] "I deny wholeheartedly that these stores exist".
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BBC: Syrian archaeologist 'killed in Palmyra' by IS militants
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Originally Posted By RustedAce:
Have you ever seen any old Roman/Greek/budhist/hindu stuff in areas that Islam controlled?

They all have the faces removed, why?

Cause Islam forbids it.

Its as simple as that.

The end.
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For some reason, people can't grip that Islam is a VERY simple religion at it's core.


It's modern core also is fucking retarded and goes against everything that makes sense for the advancement of culture.
Link Posted: 9/3/2015 6:20:33 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Commurado:
Its sad really that ancient history is being destroyed like that but on the other hand Egyptian grave robbers are doing even more damage.
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Are the grave robbers blowing up the pyramids?
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Link Posted: 9/3/2015 6:22:51 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Madcap72:
I'll go with this.



OP has a point, and that might be plausible.




But my money is on the hajji version of 1984.


"We've always been at war with the west"
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I'll go with this.



OP has a point, and that might be plausible.




But my money is on the hajji version of 1984.


"We've always been at war with the west"


Not everyone in ISIS is a blithering idiot.

Here's how it could work:

The guys with the know, the controlling folks (#BLM string pullers as an example of manipulation), go in, get the stuff worth money.

Then fire up the fundamentalists about this or that. Hidden gold, or pagan whoo haaa.

The few media outlets over there will talk to the spokeshadji who'll say "Oh yes, it's cuz religion"

ISIS leaders are NOT morons. They have a strict structure and are very into social media.


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Originally Posted By lostnswv:


Are the grave robbers blowing up the pyramids?
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Originally Posted By Commurado:
Its sad really that ancient history is being destroyed like that but on the other hand Egyptian grave robbers are doing even more damage.


Are the grave robbers blowing up the pyramids?


Not yet.
Link Posted: 9/3/2015 6:23:47 PM EST
Originally Posted By AlexanderA:
The reason that ISIS itself gives for destroying ancient temples is that they represent pagan worship, which is anathema to Islam.

There's another theory, though, that may be more plausible. Ancient artifacts (statues, inscriptions, etc.) are priceless on the world market. Selling them is another source of funding for ISIS, which removes them from their sites and sends them to cooperative dealers in the West. ISIS then destroys the monuments from which they came, to cover their tracks

Read more here:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/isis-profits-from-destruction-of-antiquities-by-selling-relics-to-dealers--and-then-blowing-up-the-buildings-they-come-from-to-conceal-the-evidence-of-looting-10483421.html

The way to fight this is to make ancient artifacts from the Middle East unmarketable, the way we do with elephant tusks and rhino horns. There has to be a worldwide embargo on such items.
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Don't buy blood historical artifacts. UN needs to put this shit into gear and say bad things about people who sell historical artifacts illegally.
Link Posted: 9/3/2015 6:24:16 PM EST
It is about control of thought. Nothing more.
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I think they are doing exactly what every other group of Muslims have done in the past and are doing exactly what their prophet told them to do.

After the conquest of Alexandria, a Muslim commander inquired to caliph Umar on what should be done with the hundreds of thousands of scrolls in the immense library. Caliph Umar said, "If what is written in them agrees with the book of god (the quran), they are not required: if is disagrees, they are not desired. Therefore destroy them."
Link Posted: 9/3/2015 6:36:50 PM EST
You can never make anything unsaleable or unmarketable. You used elephant ivory and rhino horn as an example - those animals products are still being sold and shipped worldwide. There is a huge black market for both items, mostly in the orient. There are regular news articles of illegal shipments being intercepted but the interception do not equal the poached ivory and horn so a lot still gets shipped and sold.

People that buy the ivory and the middle eastern artifacts aren't showing these items at public galleries, they are for person viewing or to show among rich, like-minded friends. As prohibition and the war on drugs has taught us, outlawing items does not work.
Link Posted: 9/3/2015 6:39:38 PM EST
ISIS is into spreading PEACE, LOVE, and UNDERSTANDING, nothing else.



It's something that non-believers just can't grasp. But, once you believe......you'll understand. RIGHT.

Aloha, Mark
Link Posted: 9/3/2015 6:40:40 PM EST
Destroying and censoring history they don't agree with...

I'm glad I live in a country in which that would never happen
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Destroying and censoring history they don't agree with...

I'm glad I live in a country in which that would never happen
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Right?


Good thing people with confed flags are lot being beaten and burned on site like they would be under islamist control.
Link Posted: 9/3/2015 6:51:52 PM EST
No comment on the why...

It's just tragic that these monuments and artifacts will not be around for future generations to enjoy.

I wish the western nations would get their shit together and just destroy ISIS...
Link Posted: 9/3/2015 6:54:37 PM EST
This is why we can't have nice things.
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Originally Posted By glocke12:
No comment on the why...

It's just tragic that these monuments and artifacts will not be around for future generations to enjoy.

I wish the western nations would get their shit together and just destroy ISIS...
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This right here. They are destroying what cannot be replaced.
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After the conquest of Alexandria, a Muslim commander inquired to caliph Umar on what should be done with the hundreds of thousands of scrolls in the immense library. Caliph Umar said, "If what is written in them agrees with the book of god (the quran), they are not required: if is disagrees, they are not desired. Therefore destroy them."
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The great Library of Alexandria was destroyed by the Christians, not the Muslims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_the_Library_of_Alexandria
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria
Link Posted: 9/3/2015 6:58:25 PM EST
i propose we nuke them, and wipe out some of their history for a hundred or so years....
Link Posted: 9/3/2015 7:03:56 PM EST
Have you ever seen any old Roman/Greek/budhist/hindu stuff in areas that Islam controlled?

They all have the faces removed, why?

Cause Islam forbids it.

Its as simple as that.
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I have to give some credit to the Ottoman Turks here. Their form of Islam was a bit milder than some others. When they converted Byzantine churches into mosques, they usually plastered over the mosaics instead of destroying them. We see this at the Hagia Sophia in Istanbul. When it was made into a museum under the secular Ataturk, the plaster was removed to show the sacred mosaics and wall paintings in all their glory. Now, the Islamist president of Turkey, Erdogan, wants to make it a mosque again. What are they going to do with the artwork?
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The great Library of Alexandria was destroyed by the Christians, not the Muslims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_the_Library_of_Alexandria
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria
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Originally Posted By AlexanderA:

After the conquest of Alexandria, a Muslim commander inquired to caliph Umar on what should be done with the hundreds of thousands of scrolls in the immense library. Caliph Umar said, "If what is written in them agrees with the book of god (the quran), they are not required: if is disagrees, they are not desired. Therefore destroy them."


The great Library of Alexandria was destroyed by the Christians, not the Muslims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_the_Library_of_Alexandria
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria


you do realize that in both of those references, it says that the Muslims destroyed it don't you?
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The interesting thing is they are destroying Islamic holy sites as well... The Tomb of Jonah was built by Muslims...

ISIS = The revived Assyrian Empire. The Islam thing is just an ethos, Empires use ethos, but ethos does not define an Empire.
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I get annoyed by people that try to argue that Islamic jihadists aren't actually motivated by Islamic fervor, but instead are motivated by something else - like money, power, grievances, Western imperialism, Gitmo, et cetera. These guys are true believers. They're insanely fanatical about their religion. That's honestly all the motivation that they need. I know this might be hard for someone to believe who's either not very religious themselves or who wants to think of Islam in a more positive light, but this type of ignorance and Islamic apologetics is dangerous because it misleads people into not properly understanding the ideology of our enemy. Are they selling some of these ancient artifacts on the black market? Probably. But to say that that's their real motivation for literally declaring jihad against these artifacts is retarded.

Robert Fisk is a traitor in my opinion. He's been apologizing for our Islamic enemies and blaming the West for their actions for decades. Even Osama bin Laden endorsed his writings. By writing this article, he's trying to downplay the Islamicness of their crimes against humanity, and instead is trying to blame their actions on pure greed - including the greed of Westerners who are supposedly fueling this demand for the artifacts that are supposedly being smuggled by the Islamic State. Fuck him and the clueless morons that are dumb enough to believe his bullshit.
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Originally Posted By Dampwaffles:
I get annoyed by people that try to argue that Islamic jihadists aren't actually motivated by Islamic fervor, but instead are motivated by something else - like money or power or whatever. These guys are true believers. They're insanely fanatical about their religion. That's all the motivation that they honestly need. I know this might be hard for someone to believe who's either not very religious themselves or who wants to think of Islam in a more positive light, but this type of ignorance and Islamic apologetics is dangerous because it misleads people into not properly understanding the ideology of our enemy. Are they selling some of these ancient artifacts on the black market? Probably. But to say that that's their real motivation for literally declaring jihad against these artifacts is retarded.

Robert Fisk is a traitor in my opinion. He's been apologizing for our Islamic enemies and blaming the West for their actions for decades. Even Osama bin Laden endorsed his writings. By writing this article, he's trying to downplay the Islamicness of their crimes against humanity, and instead is trying to blame their actions on pure greed. Fuck him and the clueless morons that are dumb enough to believe his bullshit.
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Daily Mail: How ISIS is funded by black-market oil trading, illegal drugs and internet cafes

Guardia: Beheaded Syrian scholar refused to lead Isis to hidden Palmyra antiquities

Breibert: HOW ISIS MAKES MONEY FROM THE BLACK MARKET
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you do realize that in both of those references, it says that the Muslims destroyed it don't you?
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If you read those references, they pretty much debunk the claim that the Muslims destroyed the library. There was no library extant by the time the Muslims got there. Wikipedia mentioned the Muslim destruction story for completeness. (Set it up so as to knock it down, so to speak.)
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Originally Posted By LSUTigersFan:
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Which is why the flags and confederate memorials have to stay. Why no one gets this I don't understand.
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Why, those motherfuckers. Just think, if they are capable of this what else they are capable of...
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This is it. They don't want any kid asking " hey dad, who built that ? Why?"
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Originally Posted By Madcap72:
For some reason, people can't grip that Islam is a VERY simple religion at it's core.



It's modern core also is fucking retarded and goes against everything that makes sense for the advancement of culture.
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Originally Posted By RustedAce:
Have you ever seen any old Roman/Greek/budhist/hindu stuff in areas that Islam controlled?

They all have the faces removed, why?

Cause Islam forbids it.

Its as simple as that.

The end.
For some reason, people can't grip that Islam is a VERY simple religion at it's core.



It's modern core also is fucking retarded and goes against everything that makes sense for the advancement of culture.
This like a MoFo. A religion founded by an illiterate, caravan raiding, slave holding pedophile. How complex is it going to be?
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Originally Posted By Madcap72:
For some reason, people can't grip that Islam is a VERY simple religion at it's core.



It's modern core also is fucking retarded and goes against everything that makes sense for the advancement of culture.
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Originally Posted By Madcap72:
Originally Posted By RustedAce:
Have you ever seen any old Roman/Greek/budhist/hindu stuff in areas that Islam controlled?

They all have the faces removed, why?

Cause Islam forbids it.

Its as simple as that.

The end.
For some reason, people can't grip that Islam is a VERY simple religion at it's core.



It's modern core also is fucking retarded and goes against everything that makes sense for the advancement of culture.



Thank you.

Islam is incompatible with Western civilization.


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Originally Posted By glocke12:


you do realize that in both of those references, it says that the Muslims destroyed it don't you?
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Originally Posted By AlexanderA:

After the conquest of Alexandria, a Muslim commander inquired to caliph Umar on what should be done with the hundreds of thousands of scrolls in the immense library. Caliph Umar said, "If what is written in them agrees with the book of god (the quran), they are not required: if is disagrees, they are not desired. Therefore destroy them."


The great Library of Alexandria was destroyed by the Christians, not the Muslims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_the_Library_of_Alexandria
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria


you do realize that in both of those references, it says that the Muslims destroyed it don't you?
LoL
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Originally Posted By ma96782:
ISIS is into spreading PEACE, LOVE, and UNDERSTANDING, nothing else.

http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/ma96782/AR15dotcom/Islam_is_Peace_jpg.jpg

It's something that non-believers just can't grasp. But, once you believe......you'll understand. RIGHT.

Aloha, Mark
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Exactly. Buying a billboard makes it true.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-l%C4%81t

Everything Muhammad supposedly said and did sets the example for how Muslims are supposed to act. By destroying these non-Islamic artifacts, they're merely following his example and being good Muslims.

Besides removing supposed temptations to idolatry, Islamic jihadists want to destroy the artifacts of non-Muslim civilizations because doing so testifies to the truth of Islam, as the Qur’an suggests that the destroyed remnants of ancient non-Muslim civilizations are a sign of Allah’s punishment of those who rejected his truth:

"Many were the Ways of Life that have passed away before you: travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those who rejected Truth." (Qur’an 3:137)

This is one of the foundations of the Islamic idea that pre-Islamic civilizations, and non-Islamic civilizations, are all jahiliyya - the society of unbelievers, which is worthless.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1pGJPMp9fY

Gut wrenching
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Because they're dicks.

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Originally Posted By Dampwaffles:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-l%C4%81t

Everything Muhammad supposedly said and did sets the example for how Muslims are supposed to act. By destroying these non-Islamic artifacts, they're merely following his example and being good Muslims.

Besides removing supposed temptations to idolatry, Islamic jihadists want to destroy the artifacts of non-Muslim civilizations because doing so testifies to the truth of Islam, as the Qur’an suggests that the destroyed remnants of ancient non-Muslim civilizations are a sign of Allah’s punishment of those who rejected his truth:

"Many were the Ways of Life that have passed away before you: travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those who rejected Truth." (Qur’an 3:137)

This is one of the foundations of the Islamic idea that pre-Islamic civilizations, and non-Islamic civilizations, are all jahiliyya - the society of unbelievers, which is worthless.
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Unless your name is Robert Spencer, you're copying and pasting everything you've posted, word for word, from this Jihad Watch article. You're committing plagiarism, stealing the ideas and words of others and trying to pass them off as your own. Paraphrase, or learn how to use quotes and sources.
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Just the destruction of these ancient artifacts is reason enough for everyone of them to die, and violently!
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The time before Islam is considered the time before enlightenment (Jahiliyyah) and worthy of destruction.
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I never cease to be amazed at the crazy shit people will believe.
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Originally Posted By AlexanderA:



The great Library of Alexandria was destroyed by the Christians, not the Muslims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_the_Library_of_Alexandria
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria
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Originally Posted By AlexanderA:

After the conquest of Alexandria, a Muslim commander inquired to caliph Umar on what should be done with the hundreds of thousands of scrolls in the immense library. Caliph Umar said, "If what is written in them agrees with the book of god (the quran), they are not required: if is disagrees, they are not desired. Therefore destroy them."


The great Library of Alexandria was destroyed by the Christians, not the Muslims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_the_Library_of_Alexandria
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria


Aurelian wasn't a Christian.

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Link Posted: 9/3/2015 8:42:52 PM EST
Islam wiped out untold cities and monuments from France to India at the height of the Caliph's crusades.

All the great European cities along the coast of North Africa were destroyed, plundered, and sub-par garbage was built on top of them.

The burned records and manuscripts as well, especially in India.
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Works for the liberals doesn't it?
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Works for the liberals doesn't it?
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The best way to rewrite history is to destroy the real history


Works for the liberals doesn't it?


With liberals, it's an art form.
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