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Posted: 3/29/2012 6:20:20 PM EDT
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/03/why-dont-young-americans-buy-cars/255001/

The Times notes that less than half of potential drivers age 19 or younger had a license in 2008, down from nearly two-thirds in 1998. The fraction of 20-to-24-year-olds with a license has also dropped. And according to CNW research, adults between the ages of 21 and 34 buy just 27 percent of all new vehicles sold in America, a far cry from the peak of 38 percent in 1985.


Of course, Millennials are more likely than past generations to live in an urban community, and this may be part of what terrifies car markers. About 32 percent reside in cities, somewhat higher than the proportion of Generation X'ers or Baby Boomers who did when they were the same age, according to a 2009 Pew Research Center report. But as the Wall Street Journal reports, surveys have found that 88 percent want to live in an urban environment. When they're forced to settle down in a suburb, they prefer communities like Bethesda, Maryland, or Arlington, Virginia, which feature plenty of walking distance restaurants, retail, and public transportation to nearby Washington, DC.
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 6:21:16 PM EDT
One of my ex-girlfriends didn't drive because her parents never taught her how to drive on public roads. She had some depth perception issues, so I don't know how that would have factored into things.
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 6:21:25 PM EDT
No money?
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 6:22:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By rightwing87:
No money?


This. A very simple answer.

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Link Posted: 3/29/2012 6:24:03 PM EDT
Buddy of mine from work grew up in NYC, went to Carnegie Mellon, didn't get his drivers license until after accepting the job in Iowa and realizing that he was going to have to drive to get anywhere out here....taxis/public transit/walking didn't exist.
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 6:24:54 PM EDT
Why spend a years wage on a new car? Heck, I can pay cash for a nice new car and it's never going to happen because it's a great way to waste money on a depreciating "asset." Add in high insurance costs for younger drivers, and all the other costs and NOT buying a new car is a damn smart thing to do.
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 6:26:00 PM EDT
No ambition. No job. Sex from the Internet. No need for a car.
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 6:26:32 PM EDT
Who needs to drive when you have the xbox and internet porn.
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 6:27:21 PM EDT
High insurance cost too.
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 6:28:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2012 6:29:35 PM EDT by 501st]



But if you got this price:








or even this:

Link Posted: 3/29/2012 6:28:43 PM EDT
Because they're too expensive and I will drive the used Chevy POS I bought in college into the ground before buying a new car.
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 6:28:49 PM EDT
Have you seen the price of gas lately? Working a minimum wage summer job would mean spending the majority of your earnings getting to and from work.
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 6:29:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Danner130:
High insurance cost too.


I just got a used ram, my insurance is 30 bucks more than my payment. And that is with my father eating about 80 bucks to help me.
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 6:29:33 PM EDT
Retardedly expensive especially when you're making $10/hr.

I paid cash for a used vehicle and am debt free
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 6:30:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Averagebear:
No ambition. No job. Sex from the Internet. No need for a car.


^^^^^^^
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 6:34:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2012 6:34:47 PM EDT by Bloodwork]
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Add in high insurance costs for younger drivers, and all the other costs and NOT buying a new car is a damn smart thing to do.


Costs me $150 a month for full coverage on an 06 Wrangler, plus the $1000 just to put tags on the damn thing.

ETA: 24 y/o male, no accidents or tickets.
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 6:34:48 PM EDT
Most young people haven't established the credit necessary to get low enough interest rates to keep their monthly payments low and most would require a co-signor.

Young people have been hit very hard by this economic downturn with its high unemployment. They're finding it very difficult to secure jobs that pay above minimum wage and those with degrees are finding it very difficult to secure employment without the required work experience. Pretty common now that young people end up moving back home after college, driving the car their parents got them in high school, and driving it into the ground basically before buying a new one.
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 6:35:15 PM EDT
no money, too expensive
decade of green/public transportation propaganda
they are illegal aliens...


If you are young and dont need one, why bother wasting money on the purchase and the high insurance.

In my early 20s if I didnt need a car i wouldnt have had one either.

Link Posted: 3/29/2012 6:37:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By rightwing87:
No money?


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I know a couple of kids in their late teens. When I was their age all I could think about was getting laid (still true today) and how to get my Camaro down the local quarter mile track a tenth of a second faster.

They drive, but have no passion for cars. They do it out of necessity. Their passion is for who has the latest phone and the best apps, and how to watch movies through underground websites as soon as they come out in theaters, and what's on the latest reality TV shows, which they also watch on their computers or phones.

Basically, if you can pay your phone and internet bill, everything else they are interested in is how to rip off stuff for free. Hulu and Zamzar and Pirate Bay and hours spent on reddit, along with a bunch of websites I don't even know about. They don't give a shit about vehicles because everything they are interested in comes to their phones. Going places is a pain in the ass to them.

I've told both of these kids that we had a word for guys like them when I was in high school. We called them faggots.

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Link Posted: 3/29/2012 6:37:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Danner130:
High insurance cost too.


This is why mine isn't driving yet. I can't afford it and she can't work full time yet.
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 6:37:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Bloodwork:
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Add in high insurance costs for younger drivers, and all the other costs and NOT buying a new car is a damn smart thing to do.


Costs me $150 a month for full coverage on an 06 Wrangler, plus the $1000 just to put tags on the damn thing.

ETA: 24 y/o male, no accidents or tickets.


My wife and I are in our 30's and we pay less than that for my Wife's 08' Saturn Aura and my 08' Toyota Tacoma together. I remember paying about the same amount though when I was in my early 20's per month on a Dodge Neon.

$1000 for tags is insane though. That's basically robbing you.
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 6:38:22 PM EDT
Because they sit at home and don't do shit?

I'm 25, have 2 cars (bought 1 new), a house, and a side business. A lot of my friends are similarly positioned but they are all intelligent and driven individuals.
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 6:39:01 PM EDT
I do see a good number of younger kids driving cars. They're the Latino kids ... you know the ones working the fast foods jobs and getting good used cars.
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 6:39:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SilentType:
Originally Posted By Bloodwork:
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Add in high insurance costs for younger drivers, and all the other costs and NOT buying a new car is a damn smart thing to do.


Costs me $150 a month for full coverage on an 06 Wrangler, plus the $1000 just to put tags on the damn thing.

ETA: 24 y/o male, no accidents or tickets.


My wife and I are in our 30's and we pay less than that for my Wife's 08' Saturn Aura and my 08' Toyota Tacoma together. I remember paying about the same amount though when I was in my early 20's per month on a Dodge Neon.

$1000 for tags is insane though. That's basically robbing you.


Some months ago I paid about $1000 to tag a $2000 beater.

Link Posted: 3/29/2012 6:40:39 PM EDT
$400-$600 a month payment
~$200+ a month insurance
$800+ annual registration
$300 a month for gas

Under 21. Hell, I am almost 40 and have not had a car payment for 12 years and no plans to have one anytime soon.
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 6:45:24 PM EDT
They ended drivers ed in public schools. Now you gotta teach the kid yourself or hire an instructor. Its not a normal part of the high school experiance anymore like when i was a teen.
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 6:46:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AR15fan:
They ended drivers ed in public schools. Now you gotta teach the kid yourself or hire an instructor. Its not a normal part of the high school experiance anymore like when i was a teen.


We still have it here, but not all the kids have to take it. They have a choice.

Link Posted: 3/29/2012 6:50:55 PM EDT
Cash for clunkers removed all the ultra-low cost cars that kids drive. Until CfC you could still get a OK running car for $1000-1500. Now three grand is the bottom of that market but the kids are not making three times as much money. To fill up a tank is at least $50, thats two days pay at a part time gig. Take a girl to the movies and get some fast food and all your working money is gone. It's like the perfect shit storm for HS kids.
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 6:59:42 PM EDT
It has to suck trying to pay for $4/gallon gas on minimum wage.

Then again, how much of the price increase is due to the service stations having to pay register monkeys $10/hr?
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 6:59:43 PM EDT
Economics.

I see very few customers in their late teens/early 20's looking to purchase a vehicle on their own.. It's kind of a shame when you talk to a generation that the majority are in no rush to even learn how to drive. Most don't even mention the initial cost of a car, but every one of them raise concerns about insurance costs and fuel and upkeep of a vehicle.

Most of my younger customers are female and purchase with the help of mom or dad. The few young males that get family help are usually from the lucky sperm club, no econobox for them. It's either full load or nothing.

GM is introducing a car this May that is designed for affordable insurance and operating costs, and is going to cost considerably less than a Sonic, ~$12K. It's about a foot longer than a Smartfor2 and will give about the same fuel economy. It's called the SPARK and is already selling quite well in the Carribean countries and around South America. This car is targeting the economically challenged demographic and could become an attractive alternative to taking the bus.
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 7:01:27 PM EDT
Because young people cannot afford to buy new cars.

The car makers are pricing themselves out of business.
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 7:01:57 PM EDT
Why spend all that money on a car when you can spend an extra $200 a month on rent in town and be within walking distance of the bars? And spend the rest there.

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Link Posted: 3/29/2012 7:03:03 PM EDT
Remember when you could buy a combo meal or whatever the fuck they are called at McDonalds for $3-4 and gas was 75 cents for a gallon? Yeah...that was only about 12 years ago. Low inflation my ass.
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 7:04:11 PM EDT
They're too expensive and banks aren't giving $30k credit lines just for having a pulse anymore. Next question?
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 7:05:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Neutral_Observer:
Remember when you could buy a combo meal or whatever the fuck they are called at McDonalds for $3-4 and gas was 75 cents for a gallon? Yeah...that was only about 12 years ago. Low inflation my ass.


How much is a combo meal these days ? I don't eat at that place.
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 7:06:04 PM EDT
Even if I had the money I dont know if Id buy a new car, Ive done pretty well the last 10 years Ive been driving with finding older cars with low miles.
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 7:07:30 PM EDT
Less beaters on the market.
My first car cost $300. My next car was $350.
The one after that was $600 and then I bought a Cadillac for $1100.
It's not hard to own a car when you can have one for a week's paycheck.
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 7:08:11 PM EDT
IF you live with Mom, why would you need a car?
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 7:09:52 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Dagger41:
Originally Posted By The_Neutral_Observer:
Remember when you could buy a combo meal or whatever the fuck they are called at McDonalds for $3-4 and gas was 75 cents for a gallon? Yeah...that was only about 12 years ago. Low inflation my ass.


How much is a combo meal these days ? I don't eat at that place.


7 or 8 fucking dollars. I stopped at one yesterday for the first time in a few years. You used to be able to get a full cart of stuff at the grocery store for under $100, and that wasn't that long ago either.
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 7:12:21 PM EDT
I've actually purchased two base F-150's, thanks to my father forgetting that "Red" meant "Stop" while driving my '06. For both my '06 and '08 the total cost out the door was in the ballpark of 14-16k. F-150's now... even base models are fancier but you're also starting at 20k+ before tax tag & title.

So used cars are more expensive, new cars are more expensive, gas is more expensive, insurance for a single male is "bite the pillow" expensive... yeah I feel sorry for them.
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 7:12:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Neutral_Observer:
Originally Posted By Dagger41:
Originally Posted By The_Neutral_Observer:
Remember when you could buy a combo meal or whatever the fuck they are called at McDonalds for $3-4 and gas was 75 cents for a gallon? Yeah...that was only about 12 years ago. Low inflation my ass.


How much is a combo meal these days ? I don't eat at that place.


7 or 8 fucking dollars. I stopped at one yesterday for the first time in a few years. You used to be able to get a full cart of stuff at the grocery store for under $100, and that wasn't that long ago either.


Damb that's pretty pricey. Almost as much as Five Guys.
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 7:12:54 PM EDT
I just asked a 24 year-old engineer making six figures why he didn't own a car, and he replied that he didn't want to pay thousands of dollars for substandard stereos, ODB-II, emissions, airbags, and other safety crap he didn't want. He stated that he thought most people his age believed half of the price of a new Scion was just for crap they didn't want. He's right. When I bought my first car, every dollar I spent went into the car. Cars these days just aren't a good value for the dollar when you measure what you spend versus what actually goes into making the car look good(what I assume young Americans want) or getting you from point A to point B.z
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 7:23:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Neutral_Observer:
Originally Posted By Dagger41:
Originally Posted By The_Neutral_Observer:
Remember when you could buy a combo meal or whatever the fuck they are called at McDonalds for $3-4 and gas was 75 cents for a gallon? Yeah...that was only about 12 years ago. Low inflation my ass.


How much is a combo meal these days ? I don't eat at that place.


7 or 8 fucking dollars. I stopped at one yesterday for the first time in a few years. You used to be able to get a full cart of stuff at the grocery store for under $100, and that wasn't that long ago either.


I spent $140 at the grocery today and went through the express lane
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 7:23:37 PM EDT
He's an engineer and didn't figure in the R&D cost's ?
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 7:26:18 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 7:29:33 PM EDT
Sexting = no need to take a girl out for dinner and a movie to see some titties/poontang, so a vehicle is unnecessary.
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 7:29:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By hobbsar:
Because young people cannot afford to buy new cars.

The car UNIONS, REGULATION AND POLICY makers are pricing themselves out of business.

fify
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 7:31:40 PM EDT
"Cash for Clunkers" was another fraudulent Obama program that decimated the used car market for a couple more years.
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 7:31:54 PM EDT
What is included in these $1000 tags? I can't even fathom that it could ever cost that much.

I pay $9 for emissions testing and $89 for State registration and county wheel tax per year

Link Posted: 3/29/2012 7:32:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By rightwing87:
No money?


Partially this. The people I knew didn't have the ambition to go get a job to buy a car. They'd just spend the whole day after school playing xbox. On the other hand, I have some friends who got with the program and bought their own. I was fortunate enough to have extremely hard working parents that provided me with a vehicle.
Link Posted: 3/29/2012 7:32:20 PM EDT
No money no need to drive when you still live in your parents basement at 30yrs old. If you need to go some where just have your parents take you.
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