He's spending the country into the ground. His social programs will bankrupt the nation. We're  supporting our troops all over the world.

Bush knows when the country collapses a revolution will take place. He's just hastening the day. muahahahahahahahaha

Then us radical revolutionary types will move in and take over. Muhahahahahahahhahaa.

Everyone hates the spending and deficit that Bush has presided over, even Democrats.  If Bush made a move to reduce spending, all you'd hear is how he's a cold-hearted SOB who doesn't gove a damn about (enter favorite issue here).

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Well, atleast he's not signing in anti-gun bills. Honestly, thats all I give a shit about, because the rest simply wont affect me. The only way I will be affected is if a revolution takes place, as I will be happy to join the bandwagon once it takes off.

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President Bush is signing new legislation on social issues in order to kick out the legs from under the Democrats in 2004.

Remember the last presidential candidate that did that?  It was Bill Clinton.  If you recall, he was all for welfare reform and other issues that were normally the domain of the Republican party.

Worked once, might work again.

I thought that in either real dollars or in percent of GDP the budget deficit is smaller than quite a few previous deficits.

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He would if given the chance.  He's stated that on numerous occasions.  I'm not too happy how he's spending our tax money either.  Specifically, flushing million of dollars down the drain by sending it to Africa to supposedly fight AIDS.  I've lost a lot of respect for Bush.  I voted for him and I feel like he let me down.

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In other words, Bush wants to be like Clinton.

I'm starting to feel the same way. The 15 billion handout to Africa started it.....the 'I'll sign the AWB if it hits my desk' added to it, and the 'I want to bloat the hell out of medicare by July 4' is the topper. I'm almost regretting voting for him....

He's just practicing to be the Gov. of Kalifornistan.

Main reason I like Bush: he has killed a lot of terrorists

A wake-up call to all the Yellow Dog Democraps out there; Bush INHERITED a failing economy from 8 years of fiscal irresponsibility of the Klinton years. Billary shored up the economy by neglecting other things (borrow from Peter to pay Paul) like letting our military dwindle to the point that we were in real jeopardy and nearly unable to defend ourselves. Enron, Worldcom, etc did not just happen as soon as Bush was elected. The rest of the business world saw the example of Klinton/Gore'd ("I invented the internet!" and "nobody cares if I stuffed an intern and live like this is modern-day Sodom & Gomorrah" "I did NOT have sex with that woman" "Define "IS"...") so who cares if I capitalize $4billion in losses to move losses from the income statement to the balance sheet and show them as ASSETS? Screw the employees' pension plan, I've got MY golden parachute!

The Klinton chickens came home to roost on Bush's shift, so don't blame the Republicans

[soapbox]

[headbang]
Elvis: "Thank you. Thankyouverymuch..."
Ed McMahon: "...you ARE correct, Sir!"

Amen Pale_Pony ![8D]

Mega dittos to the Pale Pony.  And a sloppy Bronx cheer with Copenhagen and Jack Daniels to the board moron Mormon, crotrobotwork.

You flyweights who think we have it bad now need to get a grip on reality.  Read Dick Morris and find out how Clinton cooked the books.  You know that statement of Gore where he claims to have "invented" the Internet?  What he meant to say was he was instrumental in marketing the Internet to business, creating the dto com boom...and of course, over-hyping it to create the spending associated with its overgrowth, over-investment and eventual collapse when the Madison Avenue types failed to see a real ROI.

The problem with today's society is they rely too much on mood/mind altering chemicals and forget recent history.  yes, too much pot kills short term memory.  Sometimes I wonder if all the alcohol I have consumed has done any damage only to be reminded by some dope-smoking coworker that I am far ahead of the power curve.

You nailed it center mass, By reposting it I will just knock out the pintel!

So when Hillary gets elected, we can blame all of her bad stuuf on Bush?

No, we can blame her election on all the naive fools who think they can accomplish anything by voting third party.

Rather than blame the repubs who have abandoned the principles of Cutting govt, cutting spending, no "nation-building, PRO gun, and I'm sure there's more. The repubs, are no longer repubs. They have drifted too far left, in order to attract self interested, (read socialist), voters.

So the astute political analysts at ar 15.com, think voting for the same old party will magically bring different results??

Enjoy your dem congress, and presidency next election cycle. And you can put the blame where it belongs. On the repub party, for becoming demos.

Question rik; How active are you in politics?? Cinci?? Are you guys on your county central committee?? Precinct committee? What...

You know what scares me the most? That some of you HERE speak of Bush the way the assholes at DUh do. The new incarnation of Evil, the undoer of liberties, the greatest threat to freedom, etc., etc., etc.

Several of you refuse to support him simply because he does not agree with you 100% of the time. Find me a human being you agree with 100% of the time and I'll show you a candidate that will get only ONE vote.

Wake the fuck up and smell reality people. Sure, he's done things I don't agree with, but he's done a lot of things I DO agree with. Either way, I can at least respect him because, whether I agree with him or not, he's following a set of values that are far more in synch with my own than any other asshole running for President on the other side has.

If you want complete political purity, bury yourself in the ground and delude yourself into thinking you're your own President. That way your leader will agree with you 100% of the time. Otherwise, get involved in the political arena, and try to change the only party that even remotely agrees with us AND has a snowball's chance in hell of actually winning.

And for all those who claim that the other parties would win if we'd just vote for them, why would I want to vote for parties I don't agree with 100% and who I KNOW won't win? Also, even if people DID start voting for them, by the time they became popular enough to win, the Democrats would have used the intervening 150 years of uninterrupted Liberal rule to turn the USA into the USSS.

Oh, yeah, I'm going to vote for THAT to happen!

Geez, man. With friends like this, who needs Liberals?

OK Zaphod, you list the things that GWB has done and I will list the things that Clinton did, and will will see who is the bigger socialist democrat.
I do not support the party of liars, wheter they be dems or reps.
The reps are driving much quicker toward the USSR, than the dems....at least you boys will scream when the dems screw up.

clinton treated the military like shit and thank god we have Bush to build it back up.

Clinton got alot of guys killed while sending them all over the world.

[size=5][green][b]You guys both nailed it, there's nothing left to say, unless I add fuck the liberal element here, wanna bash our President go to the democratic underground and do it.[/b][/green][/size=5]

 AMEN

As much as I prefer Bush to some Euro-trash liberal Democrap, he's not a hell of a lot better really.  They are all politicians, and, to quote e. e. cummings, "don't give a fuck for luck."  Presidents spend most of their time worrying about reelection.  Maybe if they could only serve 1 8-year term we would better see their true colors.

GWB is kicking ass and taking names against the enemies of America.

WJK gave the enemies of America a free ride and even sent them advanced defense-related technologies.

GWB is manuvering politically in order to give a misguided yet politically powerful group a benefit that they want.

WJK tried to outright seize and socialize 1/7th of the United States economy.

GWB has made the United States be feared and loathed by virtue of standing up for our freedoms and exercising our rights as a sovereign nation that will brook no bullshit from ANYONE.

WJK made America the darling of socialists and communists everywhere by evicerating American industries, disarming law-abiding people, sending ill-equipped troops into scenarios they had no business being in, and by letting dictators around the world run roughshod over basic human rights (except, of course, in Haiti, where JJ and the rest of the Monochrome Coalition issued orders and Billy jumped like the trained lapdog he is. Note the situation in Haiti never improved, anyway.)

Should I continue, or are you going to call me a Nazi next?

Maybe, but we're stuck with 4-year terms until the Constitution is amended, and what are the chances of THAT happening?

Can you imagine Klinton having TWO 8-year terms? [puke]

As for the claim that GWB is no better than "some Euro-trash liberal Democrap", you must not be thinking clearly. Take a look at the reactions from all those "Euro-trash liberal Democrap"'s to what GWB is doing and tell me that one group that agreed with the other would react that way.

Granted, I wish that GWB were closer to Reagan, but that's life. He is still light-years better than ANYTHING the Demons are putting up, especially since those freaks continue to try and out-Liberal each other daily.

GWB is kicking ass and taking names against the enemies of America. Where's Osama or the others involved in 9/11?

WJK gave the enemies of America a free ride and even sent them advanced defense-related technologies. North Korea or Saudi Arabia

GWB is manuvering politically in order to give a misguided yet politically powerful group a benefit that they want. ? gays?

WJK tried to outright seize and socialize 1/7th of the United States economy. Hilary care

GWB has made the United States be feared and loathed by virtue of standing up for our freedoms and exercising our rights as a sovereign nation that will brook no bullshit from ANYONE. except Asscroft and the others in the SS

WJK made America the darling of socialists and communists everywhere by evicerating American industries, disarming law-abiding people, sending ill-equipped troops into scenarios they had no business being in, and by letting dictators around the world run roughshod over basic human rights (except, of course, in Haiti, where JJ and the rest of the Monochrome Coalition issued orders and Billy jumped like the trained lapdog he is. Note the situation in Haiti never improved, anyway.) GWB wants to put a social security office in Mexico City sent troops everywhere instead of where they should be  I.E Saudi Arabia

Should I continue, or are you going to call me a Nazi next? Nope
I just rebutted your claims be back soon with WJK

http://www.perkel.com/politics/clinton/accomp.htm
I can't type for shit (carpal tunnel--surgery soon, so I will just give you a link.
I think GWB would be proud to have this record.
Notice the shrinkage of federal government and the welfare cuts.....while GWB grows the government and puts even more immigrants on welfare. Now which one is the socialist democrat?

Just alittle PS, I can't stand clinton and wish the republicans had the balls to impeach him on criminal matters and not the 3-ring circus. I would be happy never seeing another of his stripe in THAT office...but the republicans are making sure that shrub is a one term pres....just like daddy.

They are either dead, cowering in caves, or running so fast from our guys that they don't have time to strike again. Please explain to me how that is a BAD thing?



Gays? Have you read the news? Do you know the difference between the POTUS and the SCOTUS?



I'm still waiting for the "Ashcroft=Himmler" crowd to produce ONE case where an innocent American citizen has been victimized....



Really? Ans what branch of the national intelligence apparatus reports to YOU to justify your claim that the troops are all in the wrong place?

Also, while it may be true that Saudi Arabia is less than an ally, I find it difficult to find any behavior by them that would justify our invasion of their country and all the mayhem that would follow.



You wish.

Edited to add: Also, they weren't CLAIMS, they were FACTS. Your "rebuttal" was replete with CLAIMS but devoid of FACTS.

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OMG, you actually offer a link to a site of the Democratic Site Web Ring as proof that GWB is a socialist?

[rofl]

OMG! Not even the dolts at DUh have done that!

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Keep it coming, Hound, you're doing your position more damage than I could ever hope to!

You are obviously bi-polar. There is no other explanation for your alleged hatred of WJK and your description of GWB as "that shrub".

So tell me, what political persuations have you passed through in say, the last 30 seconds?

You've nailed it, Zaphod.

And thanks a lot, liberty86.

Now you've got me agreeing with jrzy.

Holy smoke!

Thanks, Painless. This SHIT just infuriates me to no end.

My only hope is that the dickheads on the Left are having similar arguments with the Greens and all the other hardcore communists that contaminate our society. If they're not, then we are in BIG trouble!

Where to start---Osama...shrub promised us that one...did you forget? fact
potus, scotus...I implied that didn't know what you were talking about. http://oliverwillis.com/03archives/000623.php
Easy to do there are lots more...fact
The same branch that says that the majority of the men on board planes on 9/11 were Saudi...fact The same branch that says SA is still teaching jihad in their gov't run schools.....that would be cia, fbi, SS, NSA,
Mossad, pich one--- fact
I gave you an easily accesible list of the thing that william BJ Klinton accomplished...are any of these in doubt? Or are you just denying it because I let some dem scum bag gather the data for me? Political persuasion....antagonistic to politicians...ain't none of them my friend and none of them can put three words together without lying twice.

Already happening

For whats it's worth, no matter whatever else I am, I am a Partiot of the United States of America, I love this country and I respect the President of the United States (current President)

On the issues of the 2nd and freedoms I am unwavering.
For without the second amendment we have no other freedom.

It's your assertion that "no nation building" is a conservative position and that nation building is a leftist one.  You have no basis for that in fact. Eisenhower was a conservative but he had nothing against nation building.  Most Republican reps are pro gun. On average, Republicans are much more pro gun than Democrats.  The fact that some Republicans are not as pro gun as we want doesn't change that fact.



As opposed to the naive idealists who imagine that throwing a few thousand votes away on various third parties will yield ANY results whatsoever.



No, I would blame it on those who should have known better but still threw their votes away on a third party.



I vote in every election, and write and phone regularly to my represenatives, as well as writing to the papers.  I have no desire to be a candidate for anything.

Well, we mostly agree on that one. To me it's all a matter of magnitude, but they ALL carry the seed.

However, the "facts" you are espousing are no different than those being espoused by people who HATE (and I mean [b][red]HATE[/red][/b]) the president simply because he agrees with US more often than he does with THEM. They are so consumed by their hatred that they are actually fighting against legislation they probably would be lauding if the other scumbag were still in the WH.

As such, they are not "FACTS". Sure, GWB promised us Osama, but just because we haven't caught him (yet) doesn't mean that he's still not going after him.

Sorry, but your thinking is WAY too Liberal to be logical or taken seriously.

ZING! [beer]

Correct Zaphod.  But don't forget the bigger and more important fact.

Liberals hate, (and I mean [b][red]HATE[/red][/b]) America.

They are always ready to blame everything wrong under the sun on this great country.  It is what truly separates us from them.

Conservatives love America.  Liberals hate America.

Don't let 'em tell you any differently.

So frikken what Zaphod, because a dem and a republican agree that the sun is going to come up...the dem is wrong? Facts are facts buddy. Shrub is not your friend and the GOP ain't your friend either.....but keep supporting them while they screw you flatfooted....you are just like a battered woman "But I love him". What is it going to take to get you to wake up and see that you need to take an adversarial stance on these guys, don't just grumble and put your head down, rail on them the same way you do the dems....

The GOP is composed of thousands of politicians, some of whom I consider allies, some not.  However, President Bush is most certainly my friend.  I respect him quite a bit more than I respect some of his critics here, that's for damned sure.

Thanks little rikky, just remember that my record holds up better than WJC or shrub, I have never ordered anyone killed and I have never imprisoned any one without reason or due process......I can respect me even if you can't...

Amen. Further attempts to enlighten Hound with applied logic are about as likely to succeed as having Al-Qaeda surrender en masse and committing themselves to rebuilding the WTC.

Geez, ain't THAT the truth! In any other country they'd be shot for treason!

Speaking of which, if you read Ann Coulter's new book (as I am now), be prepard to have your blood BOIL! [pissed]

"Your record"? You've been President?

Are you delusional as well as bipolar?

I'm glad you respect yourself, because Lord knows you don't give much of a case for anyone else to do so.

Also, you hate WJK, and you hate GWB. You must be one of those "great moderates" we always hear about, or otherwise a right-wing kook.

I'll leave it up to you which one you want to be until your next post. I'm outta here.

[url=www.sierratimes.com/03/06/17/guestoped_jb.htm]Bush Presidency is Advancing the Progressive Agenda[/url]

By John Bender

Democrats may be worried that George Bush is unbeatable in 2004, but President Bush’s strength is good news for progressives. No president since LBJ has been as successful in expanding government and increasing the size and scope of social programs as this president.
Presidents Carter and Clinton didn’t even come close to matching President Bush’s accomplishments in expanding government social programs. George Bush increased government size and spending more in his first two years than Bill Clinton did in his first six years. By the end of this year, he will have expanded government more than Bill Clinton did in his entire eight-year administration.

To be fair, Bill Clinton had to fight the conservatives in Congress who threw up every roadblock they could muster to thwart his progressive agenda. George Bush has not only silenced the conservative wing of the Republican Party, he has ground them into pulp and made them toothless tigers.

There is no longer any serious talk about making government smaller or eliminating government departments or programs. Smaller government used to be the bedrock principal of the Republican Party. President Bush changed that and is pushing Republicans in Congress not just to accept bigger government, but to embrace it.

Instead of eliminating the Education Department, George Bush almost doubled its size and pushed through the largest increase in funding the department ever enjoyed. He and Ted Kennedy worked closely together to make sure that the federal government also has more power over local schools than ever before.

The testing mandated by the education bill, and the mandate that schools meet minimum standards is a brilliant maneuver that will demand the standards and the tests be controlled centrally from Washington. No one will be able to oppose national standards and a national testing system. Without national standards, testing is subjective and worthless. National standards and a standardized national test will require local schools teach to the test. That means Washington will be dictating the curriculum in every school in America. Bill Clinton and Al Gore couldn’t even dream of accomplishing this much progress.

In other areas President Bush also out performed President Clinton. He expanded other programs the Contract With America targeted for elimination. He expanded Americorps, the Peace Corps, the National Endowment for the Arts, the National Endowment for the Humanities, and Head Start.

Working closely with progressive Republicans and Democrats, George Bush passed the farm bill that dismantled the Freedom to Farm Act that conservative Republicans pushed through Congress, and President Clinton signed, in 1996. This new legislation boosts farm spending to record levels. President Bush’s farm bill not only increased old subsidies, it created new subsidies our farmers never had before. No Democrat president could have pushed this legislation through a Republican controlled Congress. The conservative wing of the party still holds some powerful positions in Congress, especially in the House. They were proud of the Freedom to Farm Act and would have fought tooth and nail with a Democrat president to keep it in place. They caved in to President Bush without even a hint of a fight. President Bush effectively cut the conservatives in Congress off at the knees on this legislation and on most of their domestic agenda. He rules the Republican Party with an iron fist and conservatives are unable to out maneuver him.

President Bush signed the Campaign Finance Reform bill into law. Conservative Republicans in Congress are still quietly seething about how he steamrollered them on this. President Bush is also leading the fight to expand Medicare, add prescription drug coverage and mandate mental health coverage. Conservatives kept Presidents Carter and Clinton from adding these entitlements to Medicare. With President Bush pushing the agenda, they aren’t even pretending to oppose these additions.

The president is also leading the fight to extend the child tax credit to low income families excluded from the latest tax cut. He figuratively bitch-slapped Tom Delay and his conservative cohorts who threatened to derail the expanded credit, urging the Republicans to pass the bill quickly and send it to him for his signature. While progressive Republicans like to claim President Bush is following President Reagan’s vision for America, he is actually following President Nixon’s agenda to the letter. President Nixon never tried to eliminate any government program or agency. He expanded government as much as he could. Few people remember that it was President Nixon who created the Environmental Protection Agency, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration and the National Endowment for the Arts. Fewer still remember that it was President Nixon who tied Social Security benefits to the cost of living. President Bush is surpassing President Nixon in advancing progressive social policy.

President Bush is also making talk radio safe for progressives. Hosts who would have railed against President Clinton, or any Democrat, for pushing the progressive agenda President Bush is implementing, excuse this president for it. Many of them attack any conservative who calls to point out that President Bush is a progressive. Even Rush Limbaugh is leery of taking on this president. While he occasionally offers some mild criticism of the president, he always follows that criticism by offering excuses for the president’s actions and progressive domestic agenda. This is partially due to the attacks that come from the Bush cultists any time anyone is anything but worshipful of their guy. Like Democrats who refused to believe that President Clinton was capable of doing any wrong, there is a group of Republicans who would support President Bush no matter how far left he governs. They attack anyone and any group who points out that President Bush is not conservative. Many of these people are domestic progressives who like big government and benefit from government programs. They call themselves conservatives; many of them really think they are conservatives. In fact, they support progressive social programs and most benefit from them. They are critical of the poor who receive government help, but enjoy generous government subsidies of their own lifestyles. Many talk show hosts fall into this category themselves.

The other reason even real conservatives are leery of voicing anything except the mildest criticism of President Bush is they fear retaliation from the administration. They fear being cut off from the information loop. They fear being dropped from the administration’s fax and E-mail grapevine. Their professional status is greatly enhanced by access to administration sources and President Bush is not shy about diminishing or eliminating that access for anyone who puts their principals ahead of support for his agenda.

All things considered, progressives are much better off with President Bush in office than they would be with any of his Democrat challengers. No Democrat on the scene today can come close to matching President Bush’s ability to advance the progressive agenda and marginalize the conservatives in the Republican Party. Four more years of a Bush administration will produce progressive gains that are only matched by FDR’s accomplishments. Rather than being disappointed that they don’t have a Democrat in the presidency, progressives should be thankful they have an ideological soul mate in office. For progressives the cry should be “FOUR MORE YEARS!”