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Posted: 9/28/2014 6:36:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/28/2014 11:17:25 PM EST by Aiden]


Link Posted: 9/28/2014 6:38:31 PM EST
Are you asking if I prefer an AR with good optics? Hell yes.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 6:42:02 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Canoeguy:
Are you asking if I prefer an AR with good optics? Hell yes.
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Seems lots of people here LOVE iron sights only...just wondering what the fuck is going on. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 6:43:07 PM EST
As long as it doesn't have an Eotech. Yes.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 6:43:53 PM EST
Quality variable power scope with 1x on the bottom end for me.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 6:44:17 PM EST
Who's paying for the Aimpoint?
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 6:45:09 PM EST
I prefer quality optics, but I'm poor. So the only quality optics I have are on my work guns.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 6:46:13 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Aiden:


Seems lots of people here LOVE iron sights only...just wondering what the fuck is going on. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
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Originally Posted By Aiden:
Originally Posted By Canoeguy:
Are you asking if I prefer an AR with good optics? Hell yes.


Seems lots of people here LOVE iron sights only...just wondering what the fuck is going on. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.



People should master iron sights before buying optic IMO. Obviously, sometimes a person's vision doesn't allow for that, but if there is any chance that rifle will one day keep you alive, you should be proficient with every aspect of it.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 6:46:45 PM EST
I've don ACOG, EoTech, and iron sights. I like the pimply sexiness of fancy glass but its hard to beat iron sights for utilitarian, rugged, reliable goodness.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 6:47:12 PM EST
I like quality optics. Got a T1 on my SBR and ACOG on my 16". I do like shooting irons for fun though.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 6:48:16 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Medicfrost:



People should master iron sights before buying optic IMO. Obviously, sometimes a person's vision doesn't allow for that, but if there is any chance that rifle will one day keep you alive, you should be proficient with every aspect of it.
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Originally Posted By Medicfrost:
Originally Posted By Aiden:
Originally Posted By Canoeguy:
Are you asking if I prefer an AR with good optics? Hell yes.


Seems lots of people here LOVE iron sights only...just wondering what the fuck is going on. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.



People should master iron sights before buying optic IMO. Obviously, sometimes a person's vision doesn't allow for that, but if there is any chance that rifle will one day keep you alive, you should be proficient with every aspect of it.


Of course everyone should know how to use iron sights...that's a given. What do you want on your go-to rifle/carbine?
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 6:49:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Brownie63:
I've don ACOG, EoTech, and iron sights. I like the pimply sexiness of fancy glass but its hard to beat iron sights for utilitarian, rugged, reliable goodness.
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You mean like an Aimpoint?
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 6:49:22 PM EST
No way. I currently don't have any optics, my thing is just I would rather have iron sights over the optics that are in the range that I am willing to spend on one now.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 6:49:56 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Slappy600cc:
As long as it doesn't have an Eotech. Yes.
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My Eotech has been rock solid for years.

The recital is better than aimpoint.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 6:49:56 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Slappy600cc:
As long as it doesn't have an Eotech. Yes.
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My Eotech has been rock solid for years.

The recital is better than aimpoint.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 6:50:36 PM EST
On my A4 clone I find myself taking the Acog off and shooting with irons more and more.
I can have hits on the target with the acog all the time AMD want to go back to basics with irons.
I use a detachable carry handle on it and a magtec .
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 6:53:49 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Medicfrost:



People should master iron sights before buying optic IMO.
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Originally Posted By Medicfrost:
Originally Posted By Aiden:
Originally Posted By Canoeguy:
Are you asking if I prefer an AR with good optics? Hell yes.


Seems lots of people here LOVE iron sights only...just wondering what the fuck is going on. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.



People should master iron sights before buying optic IMO.

Why?
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 6:57:51 PM EST
1. Simplicity - irons don't have electronics to fry or batteries that die. Irons are light too.
2. Familiarity - they've grown up or served using irons so that's what they like, and they're good, or at least capable to their standards,with them. It's not a big enough deal for them to learn something new. They'd rather drop that $ on something else.
3. Cost - some can't justify another $100 for a primary arms, let alone $600 for an aimpoint. (And $600 is pretty cheap for a quality optic)
4. Derp - "it's what I use so it's the best", to hell with your fancy optics. these are the type that put down the guys that use them to justify their lack of optics, for whatever reason.
5. Unfamiliarity- they just don't understand that a good optic can help enhance their shooting.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:00:18 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/28/2014 7:02:18 PM EST by Gunslinger808]
I'd rather have a quality AR with irons, than a craptacular AR with optics.

People should master iron sights before buying optic IMO.
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Why?
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Really?
What do you do if your optics give out and you don't know how to shoot longer range with irons?
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:00:28 PM EST
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Originally Posted By fla556guy:


My Eotech has been rock solid for years.

The recital is better than aimpoint.
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Originally Posted By fla556guy:
Originally Posted By Slappy600cc:
As long as it doesn't have an Eotech. Yes.


My Eotech has been rock solid for years.

The recital is better than aimpoint.

You EOTech recites things?

My T1 doesn't
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:01:17 PM EST
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Originally Posted By R0N:

Why?
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Originally Posted By Medicfrost:
Originally Posted By Aiden:
Originally Posted By Canoeguy:
Are you asking if I prefer an AR with good optics? Hell yes.


Seems lots of people here LOVE iron sights only...just wondering what the fuck is going on. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.



People should master iron sights before buying optic IMO.

Why?


Because nostalgia.

Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:02:15 PM EST
This thread has neva bin dun befo. Except for earlier today.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:02:51 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:02:52 PM EST
I like pie
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:04:00 PM EST
At one time I might have said iron but as I get older and my eyes need help focusing I say a good quality optic.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:04:16 PM EST
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Originally Posted By p226guy:
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LOL

Um yeah, I'm <100 years old, voted with quality optics.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:05:41 PM EST
I switched to strictly irons after training in call of duty -- in the EMP level, the ACOG goes dead. I don't want that to happen to my ACOG, and having BUIS and optics is just more things to go wrong than if I just have iron sights.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:06:21 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Gunslinger808:
I'd rather have a quality AR with irons, than a craptacular AR with optics.





Really?
What do you do if your optics give out and you don't know how to shoot longer range with irons?
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Originally Posted By Gunslinger808:
I'd rather have a quality AR with irons, than a craptacular AR with optics.

People should master iron sights before buying optic IMO.


Why?


Really?
What do you do if your optics give out and you don't know how to shoot longer range with irons?


I have quality AR's with quality optics...your point is invalid.

Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:06:29 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Gunslinger808:
I'd rather have a quality AR with irons, than a craptacular AR with optics.





Really?
What do you do if your optics give out and you don't know how to shoot longer range with irons?
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Originally Posted By Gunslinger808:
I'd rather have a quality AR with irons, than a craptacular AR with optics.

People should master iron sights before buying optic IMO.


Why?


Really?
What do you do if your optics give out and you don't know how to shoot longer range with irons?


Our M16s have a higher failure rate than our RCOs
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:07:27 PM EST
Quality optic, of course.

If I'm paying... I still find that I'm too cheap to shell out the $400+ that it requires to get into "quality." Frankly, companies such as Vortex are producing (sub $200) stuff that exceed what I'm capable of as a shooter.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:07:57 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/28/2014 7:09:14 PM EST by bcw107]
I doubt we're more than a generation or two of weapons away from no iron sights at all. There will be some geezer that will insist on them for at least one more iteration. At least for a military weapon anyway.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:08:42 PM EST
Even middle of the road optics help a good bit.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:13:04 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Gunslinger808:
I'd rather have a quality AR with irons, than a craptacular AR with optics.





Really?
What do you do if your optics give out and you don't know how to shoot longer range with irons?
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Originally Posted By Gunslinger808:
I'd rather have a quality AR with irons, than a craptacular AR with optics.

People should master iron sights before buying optic IMO.


Why?


Really?
What do you do if your optics give out and you don't know how to shoot longer range with irons?

Same fundamentals.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:19:32 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:21:09 PM EST
How is this even a question?

Quality optics, please.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:21:40 PM EST
Get both, of good quality.

I do have a 16" A1ish sort of gun that I love. Its light as a feather and fun to shoot. My primary rifle is a suppressed SBR with eotech and rear troy buis.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:22:10 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DontBuryMe:
How is this even a question?

Quality optics, please.
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See the post above yours...
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:24:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/28/2014 7:24:50 PM EST by Aiden]
I'm guessing that the people who want/like iron sights only, can't afford quality optics...
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:24:38 PM EST
Get both.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:25:54 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Aiden:


See the post above yours...
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Originally Posted By Aiden:
Originally Posted By DontBuryMe:
How is this even a question?

Quality optics, please.


See the post above yours...


Yeah, I posted in that one too. Just made the connection lol.

Irons are good, but if you have the choice why not utilize it...
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:27:30 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Aiden:
I'm guessing that the people who want/like iron sights only, can't afford quality optics...
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Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:29:42 PM EST
I think OP is bored
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:29:47 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Aiden:
I'm guessing that the people who want/like iron sights only, can't afford quality optics...
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Do you really think someone who spent more on a membership here than some of those optics cost can't afford it?
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:31:46 PM EST
Why limit ones self
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:32:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By capnrob97:
Do you really think someone who spent more on a membership here than some of those optics cost can't afford it?
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Originally Posted By capnrob97:
Originally Posted By Aiden:
I'm guessing that the people who want/like iron sights only, can't afford quality optics...
Do you really think someone who spent more on a membership here than some of those optics cost can't afford it?


There are not too many life members, and there are no sub $100 optics that I would call "quality". So, yes.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:33:03 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Aiden:


There are not too many life members, and there are no sub $100 optics that I would call "quality". So, yes.
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Originally Posted By Aiden:
Originally Posted By capnrob97:
Originally Posted By Aiden:
I'm guessing that the people who want/like iron sights only, can't afford quality optics...
Do you really think someone who spent more on a membership here than some of those optics cost can't afford it?


There are not too many life members, and there are no sub $100 optics that I would call "quality". So, yes.

He was talking about himself, not every member here
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:34:22 PM EST
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Originally Posted By pointman12:

You EOTech recites things?

My T1 doesn't
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Originally Posted By fla556guy:
Originally Posted By Slappy600cc:
As long as it doesn't have an Eotech. Yes.


My Eotech has been rock solid for years.

The recital is better than aimpoint.

You EOTech recites things?

My T1 doesn't

I think he means the rectal.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:37:10 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DontBuryMe:
How is this even a question?

Quality optics, please.
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This!......
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:37:38 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Ventilator:
Get both.
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I did.......
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:54:07 PM EST
Not sure the exact intent of the question but, I would rather run plain irons than use a No Magnification optic that has to run on batteries to work.
Although I have carried EOTech and Aimpoints in several combat zones, I dont really care for them that much.

If am gonna put something on ttop pf the rifle then give me a lil magnification like a 1-4 ,or 1-6x..... or leave it be with Iron sights.
Link Posted: 9/28/2014 7:56:03 PM EST
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Originally Posted By mdewitt71:
Not sure the exact intent of the question but, I would rather run plain irons than use a No Magnification optic that has to run on batteries to work.
Although I have carried EOTech and Aimpoints in several combat zones, I dont really care for them that much.

If am gonna put something on ttop pf the rifle then give me a lil magnification like a 1-4 ,or 1-6x..... or leave it be with Iron sights.
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Originally Posted By mdewitt71:
Not sure the exact intent of the question but, I would rather run plain irons than use a No Magnification optic that has to run on batteries to work.
Although I have carried EOTech and Aimpoints in several combat zones, I dont really care for them that much.

If am gonna put something on ttop pf the rifle then give me a lil magnification like a 1-4 ,or 1-6x..... or leave it be with Iron sights.

Aimpoint's successor to the M68 (the CompM3) claims a single battery will provide 50,000 hours of operation on brightness level 7 out of 10. Aimpoint's newest military sight, the Aimpoint CompM4, has a claimed ability to operate continuously for 8 years or 80,000 hours on a single AA battery.
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