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Posted: 1/16/2008 8:34:48 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/16/2008 8:35:59 AM EST by AR15fan]
Not who do you want to win. But who will actually win the SC primary.

I think SC is Fred's best shot yet. But i doubt he will place better than 3rd.
Link Posted: 1/16/2008 8:36:37 AM EST
That is a dang good question.

Link Posted: 1/16/2008 8:40:31 AM EST
probably McCain
Link Posted: 1/16/2008 8:43:06 AM EST

Originally Posted By dedfella:
probably McCain


+1



At least the illegals are happy.
Link Posted: 1/16/2008 8:43:24 AM EST
I think that with all of the energy he has focused on SC, Fred will win.
Link Posted: 1/16/2008 8:43:56 AM EST
My guess: Huckabee takes it,with Fred in 2nd and McCain in 3rd
I'm betting that there a lot of social conservatives in SC's Republican ranks who will not vote for the Yankee politicians.

However it's possible that Fred and Huckabee split the conservative vote,and a moderate/liberal Republican wins with a low plurality.


All in all,none of this matters till Super Tuesday.

Link Posted: 1/16/2008 8:44:11 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/16/2008 8:44:35 AM EST by DarkStar]
I'm certainly not a Huck supporter but I have to believe he's going to pull out a win in SC...


edited for spelling
Link Posted: 1/16/2008 8:44:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By dedfella:
probably McCain


That's what the polls were showing early this morning FWIW
Link Posted: 1/16/2008 8:45:03 AM EST
I think Fred will win it, leaving the nomination up for grabs big time until after super Tuesday.
Link Posted: 1/16/2008 8:45:22 AM EST

Originally Posted By PBIR:

Originally Posted By dedfella:
probably McCain


That's what the polls were showing early this morning FWIW


my little Bro is at the Fort over there for a week or so and that is the buzz he seems to be getting also
Link Posted: 1/16/2008 8:46:55 AM EST
I would have said McCain until last night.

SC voters are flakey.

After Iowa the winner Huck lead SC polls.
After NH the winner McCain lead SC polls.
Makes me think SC voters tend to support "winners" so romneys win in Michigan may give him a bounce in SC.

Plus McCain lost SC to GWB in past primaries.

So I'm thinking Romney, Huck and Fred all have a shot of beating McCain in SC.
Link Posted: 1/16/2008 8:47:47 AM EST
Start of the bible belt--Huck!
Link Posted: 1/16/2008 8:48:03 AM EST

Originally Posted By PBIR:

Originally Posted By dedfella:
probably McCain


That's what the polls were showing early this morning FWIW


Have you seen any polls that are post 1/15?

The last SC poll i saw was taken immediately after NH.
Link Posted: 1/16/2008 8:50:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/16/2008 8:53:31 AM EST by motown_steve]
Actually, it depends who wins Nevada...

Right now Romney is in the lead delegate wise.

If Romney wins Nevada and McCain wins South Carolina then it remains a three way race between Romney, McCain and Huckabee. McCain pulls ahead of Huckabee and benefits the most.

If Romney wins Nevada and Thompson wins South Carolina then Romney pulls way out in front and goes to Florida with 3 victories while everyone else has 1. Romney benefits the most.

If Romney wins Nevada and Huckabee with South Carolina then McCain falls way behind and Thompson is out. Huckabee benefits the most.

If McCain wins Nevada and South Carolina then he pulls way out in front delegate wise and goes to Florida with three victories.

So you see, Nevada is actually more important than South Carolina. Nevada has more delegates and if Romney is a clear winner there then he can really pull out ahead in delegates and pull out ahead in Florida where they have a 4 way tie.

If Romney can take Nevada and Florida then he will own Super Tuesday, especially if Fred wins in South Carolina (which ain't gonna happen).
Link Posted: 1/16/2008 8:52:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By PBIR:

Originally Posted By dedfella:
probably McCain


That's what the polls were showing early this morning FWIW


Have you seen any polls that are post 1/15?

The last SC poll i saw was taken immediately after NH.


My guess would be that Romney has gained on McCain some and may have distinguished himself into second place leaving Fred and Huckabee to fight it out over third. No one likes to back a loser and Romney is leader delegate wise right now. He has the momentum.
Link Posted: 1/16/2008 8:52:19 AM EST

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
Actually, it depends who wins Nevada....


Dont the SC polls close before the NV caucuses close?
Link Posted: 1/16/2008 8:52:52 AM EST

Originally Posted By AR15fan:


Have you seen any polls that are post 1/15?



I do not know when the one my morning news show referenced was taken, I was enjoying a bite of my delicious cereal as the bit started and was too busy making sure I didn't spill milk on me to hear the lead-in.
Link Posted: 1/16/2008 8:54:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
Actually, it depends who wins Nevada....


Dont the SC polls close before the NV caucuses close?


Doesn't matter. Read the post. The winner of the South Carolina primary will probably not be the person who benefits most from it.
Link Posted: 1/16/2008 9:00:10 AM EST
I voted Fred! Thats who I want, but I think Gomer Pyle will win
Link Posted: 1/16/2008 9:02:04 AM EST
I think the much bigger than expected loss in Michigan for McCain really hurts him, he's still the amnesty guy who does well in NH but nowhere else.

So I think Huck will probably win, with McCain and Romney (who's got the momentum now) close behind fighting for second, Fred fourth, Paul fifth.

My bias is that I don't want Romney building to much momentum because I think at this point the best outcome we can hope for is a brokered convention.
Link Posted: 1/16/2008 9:04:16 AM EST
Isn't it great that Rudy hasn't even been on the map?

What a fuckin relief.

Link Posted: 1/16/2008 9:08:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/16/2008 9:13:53 AM EST by motown_steve]

Originally Posted By Primos:
Isn't it great that Rudy hasn't even been on the map?

What a fuckin relief.



Yeah, but if he wins Florida then he's right back in the game. 57 delegates

ETA - If Rudy's won Florida, New York, California, Texas (a distinct possibility) and Illinois then he could definitely stand a chance of getting the nomination. If Rudy takes NJ and MN then he could be the front runner depending on how the rest of Super Tuesday shakes out.
Link Posted: 1/16/2008 9:09:20 AM EST

Originally Posted By Primos:
Isn't it great that Rudy hasn't even been on the map?

What a fuckin relief.



That still leaves two other douchbags fighting for the R nomination. Don't color me relieved.
Link Posted: 1/16/2008 9:53:40 AM EST

Originally Posted By PBIR:

Originally Posted By Primos:
Isn't it great that Rudy hasn't even been on the map?

What a fuckin relief.



That still leaves two other douchbags fighting for the R nomination. Don't color me relieved.


truth is a downer
Link Posted: 1/16/2008 11:06:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By Poodleshooter:
My guess: Huckabee takes it,with Fred in 2nd and McCain in 3rd



+1
Link Posted: 1/16/2008 11:09:16 AM EST
Win Fred win
Link Posted: 1/16/2008 11:09:37 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/16/2008 11:10:03 AM EST by Beltfed]
1. Huck
2. Fred
3.McCain
4.Romney


Seriously, Fred is ALL over SC....the guy is everywhere (in person and on TV announcements).

Hopefully most Republicans in SC, will get a clue on the true conservative choice by the 19th.

Fred deserves 1st.
Link Posted: 1/16/2008 11:12:50 AM EST
President Thompson will.
Link Posted: 1/16/2008 11:13:25 AM EST
Doggone well better be Fred...
Link Posted: 1/16/2008 11:46:57 AM EST
Probably Huckabee or romney.
Link Posted: 1/17/2008 12:43:52 AM EST

Originally Posted By macman37:
Doggone well better be Fred...


Second place at best IMO. And its tyhe end of tyhe road for him too. If he doesnt win SC he drops out by super tuesday and endorses McCain or Romney.
Link Posted: 1/17/2008 2:24:45 AM EST
Probably Huckabee - as was said before - it is the Bible belt. As a professing Christian, Huckabee is an embarassment to me. His attitude seems extremely snide and condescending. He lacks in holding his ground - but quickly resorts to personal attacks of other candidates. Most of his beliefs are very liberal. He has some good points (progun, prolife)- but more negatives. I know a lot of Christians who will vote for him simply because he claims to be a Christian. Same reason many of them voted for Bush - another big faker to conservatives.

GOP is a lost cause this election. Pat Buchanan was the last real conservative who ran.
Link Posted: 1/17/2008 2:29:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By Primos:
Isn't it great that Rudy hasn't even been on the map?


Romney is going to ban the same guns that this site advocates and talks about.

Is that great?
Link Posted: 1/17/2008 2:37:12 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/17/2008 2:37:53 AM EST by J_Smith]

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:

Originally Posted By Primos:
Isn't it great that Rudy hasn't even been on the map?


Romney is going to ban the same guns that this site advocates and talks about.

Is that great?


Romney? Oh..........you mean the guy that Robinson Armament officially endorsed.....<sarcasm> (And yes, I know Romney is antigun)
Link Posted: 1/17/2008 3:49:10 AM EST

Originally Posted By Beltfed:
1. Huck
2. Fred
3.McCain
4.Romney


Seriously, Fred is ALL over SC....the guy is everywhere (in person and on TV announcements).

Hopefully most Republicans in SC, will get a clue on the true conservative choice by the 19th.

Fred deserves 1st.


If Fred is everywhere in SC and is running all kinds of TV announcements I must be living in a cave. I hate to say it, but I have seen very little of Fred throughout the whole time he has been "in" the race. My perception is that he hasn't been as visible as you make him out to be. I wish that you were right and the Fred was all over the place, but he isn't. He has run the worst campaign I have ever (not) seen. Frankly, I don't understand what he is doing.

All that said, I still hope he pulls out a miraculous win. He definitely has my vote on Saturday.
Link Posted: 1/17/2008 5:03:13 AM EST
Fred
Link Posted: 1/17/2008 5:05:39 AM EST
Fred.

I also don't follow the thought that if Fred drops out next week that he will endorse McCain. My bet is he won't endorse anyone until there is a Republican nominee.
Link Posted: 1/17/2008 5:09:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By BFGwanname:

Originally Posted By Beltfed:
1. Huck
2. Fred
3.McCain
4.Romney


Seriously, Fred is ALL over SC....the guy is everywhere (in person and on TV announcements).

Hopefully most Republicans in SC, will get a clue on the true conservative choice by the 19th.

Fred deserves 1st.


If Fred is everywhere in SC and is running all kinds of TV announcements I must be living in a cave. I hate to say it, but I have seen very little of Fred throughout the whole time he has been "in" the race. My perception is that he hasn't been as visible as you make him out to be. I wish that you were right and the Fred was all over the place, but he isn't. He has run the worst campaign I have ever (not) seen. Frankly, I don't understand what he is doing.

All that said, I still hope he pulls out a miraculous win. He definitely has my vote on Saturday.


I have seen several (including one on FOX News this morning) and heard several on 94.3 Charleston.

I haven't heard much out of Rudy or Mitt lately but they have been hitting us hard for the last 2 months. I haven't heard or seen a Huckabee ad.

Link Posted: 1/17/2008 8:33:27 AM EST

Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
My bet is he won't endorse anyone until there is a Republican nominee.


I hope he does that.

I hope he supports whoever the (R) candidate is... and waits till after the convention to endorse someone.
Link Posted: 1/17/2008 10:24:07 AM EST
According to this poll, Fred:

Poll



Link Posted: 1/17/2008 10:54:01 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/17/2008 11:09:30 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/17/2008 11:10:08 AM EST by JIMBEAM]
For you FRED heads in SC here is a link to find your precinct:


Precinct

FAQ
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 12:05:20 AM EST
Last chance to get your predictions in.

I'm predicting a Huckabee win. I dont think McCain voters are as motivated as Hucks voters. McCain has consistantly polled better than his actual performance.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 12:11:21 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/18/2008 12:12:12 AM EST by AROptics]
Supporting Thompson at this point is pure, pathetic desperation and only serves to give the nod to a RINO who does not support gun rights.

Huckabee deserves gun rights advocates support for his STEADFAST support of gun rights. If he was really pushing his views (religion wise) on people, he be interested in disarming us first.

Romney. Satan is Jesus's brother and we get an AWB inside of his first year.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 12:18:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By AROptics:
Supporting Thompson at this point is pure, pathetic desperation and only serves to give the nod to a RINO who does not support gun rights.


South Carolina is Fred's first real shot. So i dont think its unreasonable to give him a chance there. However come super tuesday its time to decide which viable candidate is closest to your views.

I'm a Hunter supporter but come super tuesday i may vote for Huck or McCain to stop Romney or Rudy and the new AWB they both would sign.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 12:18:56 AM EST
Hard to say really, I just don't know.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 12:43:59 AM EST
I heard on Hardball the large Mormon population of Nevada is going to be out in force for Mitt.

Evangelicals, and their somewhat odd bedfellows, gun owners, better be heard for Huckabee in SC or we are going to have a gun banning RINO/Hitlery/Obama.

I can't seriously believe that gun owners/collectors would put their hatred of a Christian like Huckabee in front of their legal right to own AR's and every other sweet weapons system on the near horizon.

Thompson is a good guy and I like him, but he cannot win. He is simply too old and too ill.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 1:34:14 AM EST

Originally Posted By AROptics:
Supporting Thompson at this point is pure, pathetic desperation and only serves to give the nod to a RINO who does not support gun rights.

Huckabee deserves gun rights advocates support for his STEADFAST support of gun rights. If he was really pushing his views (religion wise) on people, he be interested in disarming us first.

Romney. Satan is Jesus's brother and we get an AWB inside of his first year.


Huckabee is a RINO too. Besides 2nd Amendment rights he's farther to the Left on nearly every issue than even the other pathetic RINO's. Fred is the LAST chance for an actual conservative to represent the GOP this November. If not Fred it's gonna be a choice between Socialist vs. Socialist Lite. What an exciting time.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 1:36:42 AM EST
Fred FTW!
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 2:42:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By AROptics:
I heard on Hardball the large Mormon population of Nevada is going to be out in force for Mitt.

Evangelicals, and their somewhat odd bedfellows, gun owners, better be heard for Huckabee in SC or we are going to have a gun banning RINO/Hitlery/Obama.

I can't seriously believe that gun owners/collectors would put their hatred of a Christian like Huckabee in front of their legal right to own AR's and every other sweet weapons system on the near horizon.

Thompson is a good guy and I like him, but he cannot win. He is simply too old and too ill.


I hate to break it to you, but when Huck made his statements a day or so ago about changing the Constitution to match the will of the Living God, he became as electable in November as Ron Paul.

You have to run tot he right to get the GOP's nod, but not so far right you can't move to the center to win the general election. By advocating a sectarian style Constitution in the US, Huck killed his chances to beat Hillary or Obama.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:11:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Not who do you want to win. But who will actually win the SC primary.



McCain. I don't think Fred can pull it off.
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