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Posted: 8/24/2004 1:17:24 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/24/2004 1:44:23 PM EST by mx-2]
Between Special Weapons, and Vector Arms. I have not seen one in person. What are the goods and bads of these clones?

I'm specifically interested in Vector Arms' (V93) HK-93 in .223 with 17in barrel. How are their quality in finish and function?



Any help is appreciated
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 1:20:17 PM EST
Special Weapons are said to be absolute crap... Vector not much better.


Ohio Rapid Fire makes the best and JLD makes very nice ones as well.

ORF mosty uses JLD and SW receivers from what I have heard.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 1:20:34 PM EST
Vector Arms was using Special Weapons receivers last time I checked. Vector has a decent reputation for build quality. Most Special Wepaons guns work fine, a few need tweaking but I have never heard of one yet that couldn't be fixed.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 1:21:27 PM EST

For a G3-type (not a clone, but certainly the
same lineage), look at the CAI CETMEs with
the stainless recievers.

I love mine.


Link Posted: 8/24/2004 1:22:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/24/2004 1:32:04 PM EST by SteyrAUG]
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 1:26:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By jt325i:
Most Special Wepaons guns work fine, a few need tweaking but I have never heard of one yet that couldn't be fixed.




I've seen lots that could never be made to function.

Horrible pieces of garbage.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 1:27:23 PM EST
Wow, I didin't realize they're that bad... Is Hesse and Vector Arms the same company?
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 1:29:32 PM EST
John Kerry single handedly killed more VC with Toad Baileys SpeshulWappons in Cambodia during Christmas 1968 than all other guns in history combined.

Link Posted: 8/24/2004 1:30:36 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 1:34:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By Cypher214:
Special Weapons are said to be absolute crap... Vector not much better.


Ohio Rapid Fire makes the best and JLD makes very nice ones as well.

ORF mosty uses JLD and SW receivers from what I have heard.



+1

Ohio Rapid Fire is the best way to go.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 1:36:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By Rifleman18Echo:

I've seen lots that could never be made to function.

Horrible pieces of garbage.



How the hell could someone build a firearm that wouldn't function? I mean, jesus, the fucking Speshul Epuns models START at $1300.

I guess Toady was blantantly raping gun owners' in the ass instead of beating around the bushes.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 1:41:12 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/24/2004 1:44:40 PM EST by mx-2]
I'm specifically interested in Vector Arms' HK-93 in .223 with 17in barrel...

I went to Ohio Rapid Fire. They said their RF33 (like the HK-93) were build off Vector receivers. What makes Ohio Rapid Fire a better quality, is it the parts they use in their clones?
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 1:43:15 PM EST
The PTR's aren't bad either.


Link Posted: 8/24/2004 1:46:43 PM EST
I have a PTR and I can recommend it without any hesitation....
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 2:06:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By mx-2:
I'm specifically interested in Vector Arms' HK-93 in .223 with 17in barrel...

I went to Ohio Rapid Fire. They said their RF33 (like the HK-93) were build off Vector receivers. What makes Ohio Rapid Fire a better quality, is it the parts they use in their clones?




ORF takes great pride in building a quality product. They use good parts in their clones and do a great job at assembling.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 2:11:43 PM EST

Originally Posted By jt325i:
Vector Arms was using Special Weapons receivers last time I checked. Vector has a decent reputation for build quality. Most Special Wepaons guns work fine, a few need tweaking but I have never heard of one yet that couldn't be fixed.




NOTHING could be further from the truth.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 2:13:52 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 2:14:30 PM EST
tag
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 2:16:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:


They will be civie legal in a month.




MUCH less than a month now, Steyr...
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 2:18:27 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 2:20:48 PM EST

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By Cypher214:

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:


They will be civie legal in a month.




MUCH less than a month now, Steyr...




I'm gonna make people wait....

Anticipation.......it's making me wait...

Actually if anyone wants one they can get the project rolling right now. Just won't be built until AFTER the sunset.



What's your opinion on the PTR-91?

I have one on the way this week that I got in a trade and was thinking of scoping it. The factory told me they get .5" to 1" groups regularly... If this one will hold groups like that, I will definitely scope it.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 2:32:47 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 3:33:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/24/2004 3:50:00 PM EST by Dog1]
I musta got a good one...my PTR-91 has been ultra reliable. It has fed and shucked every round and was, with 144gr Aussie surplus, shooting 1 inch or less groups at 100yd....I would bet that with match I can tighten that up....

I'm more than happy my PTR-91...


Some of the groups with the Aussie surplus 144gr ball...

Link Posted: 8/24/2004 4:31:00 PM EST
What about POF?
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 6:10:13 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 6:12:17 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 6:12:36 PM EST

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By Cypher214:

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:


They will be civie legal in a month.




MUCH less than a month now, Steyr...




I'm gonna make people wait....

Anticipation.......it's making me wait...

Actually if anyone wants one they can get the project rolling right now. Just won't be built until AFTER the sunset.

price?
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 6:13:56 PM EST


I don't think that the furniture is any better than the older ones....I can live with that for now. I will be changing that out in the future...

I got for only $525 at a local shop....so..I have some more leway with my money that I can spend on it.....
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 6:14:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By quijanos:
What about POF?




Not offering semi rifles yet as far as I know.

POF is Pakistani HK contract. While not quite true HK spec in my opinion it is a hell of a lot closer than any US manufacture I've seen so far. I'd love to see POF produce domestic semi auto HK rifles. I'd buy several.



Ask, and ye shall receive..
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 6:17:57 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 6:20:50 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 6:23:28 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 6:24:07 PM EST
Yeah, not trying to give you a stiffie, just a heads-up.. no pun intended

I think POF-USA is starting to realize, along with ORF and (to a degree) Vector, that there's a huge civvie market for these rifles. I've got a 91 now, but I'd buy a high quality 93 and 94 in a heartbeat.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 6:25:53 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 6:30:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By MMcCall:
Yeah, not trying to give you a stiffie, just a heads-up.. no pun intended

I think POF-USA is starting to realize, along with ORF and (to a degree) Vector, that there's a huge civvie market for these rifles. I've got a 91 now, but I'd buy a high quality 93 and 94 in a heartbeat.




I will buy one of each caliber and retire my pre89 imports to the back of the safe.



As would I, but the gotcha about these rifles is the mag prices. MP5 mags won't be bad once we can own all the LEO overstock, but I'll be hard pressed to pay $50 a pop for 93 mags when I can get NIW LaBelles for $15-$18.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 6:35:46 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 8:25:02 PM EST
Now I'm not really an FFL-according to SteyerAug, but I would think twice about getting a PTR-91. I just had a customer who had to send his back for fail to extract problems-and before you say it, it was an #1800 serial number. They supposedly had all those problems fixed, but they don't. If you don't mind shelling out $800-$900 and then $30 both ways for shipping and about 3 weeks wait, go ahead and get one. If you want a fine bolt-action gun, get a PTR. But bring a ball peen hammer to the range with you to extract the cases. If you want a nice 91 clone, go the Ohio Rapid Fire route. Have Todd build you one on a PTR receiver (their receivers are nice, but their guns suck) with POF parts. That's what I am going to do after Sept. 13th.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 8:54:38 PM EST
Buy neither. Save your money and get a real HK. The satisfaction will more than compensate for the price. I've seen and shot both real HK's and clones...and theres no contest. After seeing and shooten a real HK, I could NEVER EVER get a clone. Trust me on this. Waiting is a bitch, I know, but in the end...you'll thank me.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 9:27:45 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 4:52:35 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/25/2004 4:53:18 AM EST by Dog1]

Originally Posted By AZSherman1:
Now I'm not really an FFL-according to SteyerAug, but I would think twice about getting a PTR-91. I just had a customer who had to send his back for fail to extract problems-and before you say it, it was an #1800 serial number. They supposedly had all those problems fixed, but they don't. If you don't mind shelling out $800-$900 and then $30 both ways for shipping and about 3 weeks wait, go ahead and get one. If you want a fine bolt-action gun, get a PTR. But bring a ball peen hammer to the range with you to extract the cases. If you want a nice 91 clone, go the Ohio Rapid Fire route. Have Todd build you one on a PTR receiver (their receivers are nice, but their guns suck) with POF parts. That's what I am going to do after Sept. 13th.



Yea ok whatever...All I know, and I should because I own one, is that mine is a sweet shooter and I love it...at a fraction of a over-blown HK...

And I never once needed a hammer at the range.....
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