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Posted: 9/9/2010 12:33:51 PM EDT
First, he is a retard and at a guess a shitty pastor.
now apparently
Originally Posted By CCW:
The noose tightens around Terry Jones and his church.

MSNBC: Pastor Jones has just had his website shut down by his internet provider.
The insurance policy for the church building has just been revoked.
The loan provider has called in the loan.
The building and property is currently up for sale for $2.5M.
Terry Jones' background, including military service, is currently under investigation by the news media.




So who is OK with this?????



Poll follows
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 12:36:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2010 12:36:57 PM EDT by Squatch]
Private businesses reserve the right to choose with whom they do business. Thought that was kind of a mantra around these parts.

Link Posted: 9/9/2010 12:37:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2010 12:43:43 PM EDT by peekay]
I'm gonna call bullshit.

Link Posted: 9/9/2010 12:41:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2010 12:42:45 PM EDT by Aimless]
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 12:42:52 PM EDT
This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. This is exactly the sort of thing he wanted.

If I had any dealings with Terry Jones I would distance myself as fast as I could. Lunatics with negative world wide attention are bad for business.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 12:43:09 PM EDT
There is a reason you've never seen my name on the news.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 12:43:29 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By nukldragr:
First, he is a retard and at a guess a shitty pastor.
now apparently
Originally Posted By CCW:
The noose tightens around Terry Jones and his church.

MSNBC: Pastor Jones has just had his website shut down by his internet provider.
The insurance policy for the church building has just been revoked.Did he not pay it, or has the insurer decided that now that he's declaring Jihad on Al Queda, the Taliban, Hamas etc that's not the kind of risk they agreed to insurace?[/red]
The loan provider has called in the loan.he's a dead beat, his own fault
The building and property is currently up for sale for $2.5M.see previous response
Terry Jones' background, including military service, is currently under investigation by the news media.[red]shoulda seen that coming





So who is OK with this?????



Poll follows




These.

If you're a dumbass with stuff to hide, don't call attention to yourself.

Wise as serpents and harmless as doves.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 12:44:59 PM EDT
This poll is fucked up as a soup sandwich
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 12:45:57 PM EDT
Looked the list over. His rights are still good to go. Freedom for him doesn't trump freedom for them.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 12:46:44 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 12:47:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2010 12:47:55 PM EDT by MOS2111]
Your right to say what you believe is protected in America, however no where does it say you dont have to deal with the results of that freedom.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 12:47:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2010 12:48:18 PM EDT by Ridge_Runner_5]

Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By nukldragr:
First, he is a retard and at a guess a shitty pastor.
now apparently
Originally Posted By CCW:
The noose tightens around Terry Jones and his church.

MSNBC: Pastor Jones has just had his website shut down by his internet provider.
The insurance policy for the church building has just been revoked.Did he not pay it, or has the insurer decided that now that he's declaring Jihad on Al Queda, the Taliban, Hamas etc that's not the kind of risk they agreed to insurace?[/red]
The loan provider has called in the loan.he's a dead beat, his own fault
The building and property is currently up for sale for $2.5M.see previous response
Terry Jones' background, including military service, is currently under investigation by the news media.[red]shoulda seen that coming





So who is OK with this?????



Poll follows



Insurance probably revoked because his building just became a much more dangerous place to insure...

As for his ISP, probably broke the ToS against hateful speech...
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 12:47:24 PM EDT
Any "pastor" that will burn the Koran outside of his "outreach" facility is not much of a pastor.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 12:47:54 PM EDT
Actions have consequences.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 12:47:55 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RRD3:
This poll is fucked up as a soup sandwich


Seriously. I'm more pissed about what's happening to the poll than what's happening to the book burner.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 12:48:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 12:48:33 PM EDT
I would have burned it already. This guy is like a jumper on a building standing there waiting for attention.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 12:48:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By garwj:
Looked the list over. His rights are still good to go. Freedom for him doesn't trump freedom for them.


Looking a bit deeper into that cult Church... and already acquainted with radical Islam, it's kind of like watching two of the short-bus kids having a HUGE slap-fight in the cafeteria at lunchtime.

A complete car wreck on the highway, you can't not look... but you might get pudding and milk splashed on you.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 12:48:52 PM EDT
so legally he can burn IF he can get a burn permit,
but not giving him a burn permit based on religious reasons is ILLEGAL.
so while I think the pastor is an idiot, I will infact defend his right to do so.

the insurance company likely pulled the policy due to the "dont make your self a target of religous extreamists" clause
no insurance = no loan , no bank will loan that kind of money without insurance.
no loan he has to try and unload the building to pay off the bank OR declare bankruptcy
background investigation, is well pretty standard in our media anybody who might make news.


the ISP shutting it down i dunno, cant justify that one unless their contract also had a "hate group" clause or some such(and I would guess that since the democrats have a website, that there is a more "moderate" socialist/communist group ) I keed
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 12:49:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Originally Posted By nukldragr:
First, he is a retard and at a guess a shitty pastor.
now apparently
Originally Posted By CCW:
The noose tightens around Terry Jones and his church.

MSNBC: Pastor Jones has just had his website shut down by his internet provider.
The insurance policy for the church building has just been revoked.
The loan provider has called in the loan.
The building and property is currently up for sale for $2.5M.
Terry Jones' background, including military service, is currently under investigation by the news media.




So who is OK with this?????



Poll follows


I'd have a problem if the government started fucking with him because he was saying things they didn't like.


But, his insurance company cancelling his coverage because he's basically INVITING angry retaliation by pissing of religious fanatics (that likely could involve arson)? That's purely a business decision, and I've got no problem with it.

Same goes for his mortgage/loan.

I have no idea why his internet provider dropped him - my guess is that either he violated the terms of his service agreement with them, or got so much traffic that their servers couldn't handle it. Or, who knows? Perhaps the guy who owns his IP doesn't like his expressed solidarity with the Phelps nuts from Kansas, and just decided he didn't want this guy on his servers?

As long as it's private business making these choice - as a result of this guy's own actions (which, it turns out, have consequences), I don't have a problem.

Yep... Constitution/BOR tells government what it can and can't do, NOT private individuals. If they don't like what he's doing and want to do something about it, that's their prerogative. Just like the construction workers can refuse to work on that mosque.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 12:49:26 PM EDT
Everybody is a felon. It just depends on who .gov goes after. But make no mistake about it, .gov and destroy anybody they want too.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 12:51:27 PM EDT
I may be out of line here but DUPE
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 12:54:12 PM EDT
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances



It's pretty funny that BHO has no problem saying that the Muslims have the right to build a mosque near ground zero, but he's disappointed he can't stop this guy in Florida.


Link Posted: 9/9/2010 12:54:27 PM EDT
Everything has been directly related to his choices.

Cause and effect

Nothing was happening till he opened his mouth.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 12:55:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By MOS2111:
Your right to say what you believe is protected in America, however no where does it say you dont have to deal with the results of that freedom.


And that is the crux of the matter. Freedom of expression, not freedom from repercussion.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 12:55:42 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 12:55:45 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 12:57:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MOS2111:
Your right to say what you believe is protected in America, however no where does it say you dont have to deal with the results of that freedom.

This x1000.

I'd fight to defend his freedom to speak or burn these Korans, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy that he's bringing such negativity down on himself for behaving like Muslims seem to do.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 12:58:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Squatch:
Private businesses reserve the right to choose with whom they do business. Thought that was kind of a mantra around these parts.



Shhhhhhhhhhh
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 1:01:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Squatch:
Private businesses reserve the right to choose with whom they do business. Thought that was kind of a mantra around these parts.



They do, but how can they just call in a loan like that ?

I guess it must be legal, but I didn't know it worked like that.

Isn't a loan basically a contract which gives an amount of time the loan must be paid by ?
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 1:01:08 PM EDT
I call BS too.

And I'm not defending this pastor, but if the Muslims can build a mosque at Ground Zero to signify their victory, why can't he burn a Quran or two? I seriously feel like I'm living in the twilight zone. This country has gone full retard.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 1:02:25 PM EDT
This could backfire on them.

Since the guy is already fucked, why shouldn't he go ahead with his plans?

Hey you're already wet, might as well go on back out in the rain and finish up!
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 1:03:17 PM EDT
I can't believe this hasn't been tossed out here yet, but

Play stupid games,

win stupid prizes...
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 1:03:29 PM EDT
a real man would light the Koran with a Mexican flag.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 1:04:22 PM EDT
Librarians in the lead! Woot!
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 1:04:41 PM EDT
Originally Posted By swingset:

Originally Posted By MOS2111:
Your right to say what you believe is protected in America, however no where does it say you dont have to deal with the results of that freedom.

This x1000.

I'd fight to defend his freedom to speak or burn these Korans, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy that he's bringing such negativity down on himself for behaving like Muslims seem to do.


Pretty much.

While i'm not planning on burning any books. It is kind of a meaningless action in the overall scheme of things. I also am enjoying this jackass both riling up Muslims and others.

Honestly if your faith is somehow tested by a guy who burned some paper, you have more problems than the guy with the diesel and matches does.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 1:04:42 PM EDT
Coul you have made the options anymore retarded? reguardless of anyones feelings what they are doing isnt breaking any laws. On the other hand whats being done to them is possibly illegal.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 1:05:11 PM EDT
If the guy is right or wrong isn't the issue. Right now he is being railroaded. He'll break under the pressure. Whether you like her or not Sarah Palin was railroaded. Obama got a free pass. The media isn't unbiased. Thats where the problem is.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 1:05:38 PM EDT
WTF? Are some of you completely retarded? It saddens me to think that you people call yourselves Americans. Only 36 votes for "slutty spectacled librarians in garters and heels". What's wrong with you?
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 1:06:02 PM EDT
He got strong armed
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 1:13:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2010 1:13:38 PM EDT by 1Andy2]
Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
He got strong armed


How and by who?
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 1:13:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By nukldragr:
First, he is a retard and at a guess a shitty pastor.
now apparently
Originally Posted By CCW:
The noose tightens around Terry Jones and his church.

MSNBC: Pastor Jones has just had his website shut down by his internet provider.
The insurance policy for the church building has just been revoked.
The loan provider has called in the loan.
The building and property is currently up for sale for $2.5M.
Terry Jones' background, including military service, is currently under investigation by the news media.




So who is OK with this?????



Poll follows
His background actually came out today and it is probably worse than you would think I am thinking jim Jones would be proud....


http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,716409,00.html




Islamophobe's Past in Germany

Terry Jones Accused of 'Spiritual Abuse' at Cologne Church




US fundamentalist pastor Terry Jones, who wants to burn copies of the Koran on Sept. 11, ran a church in the western German city of Cologne until last year when members of the congregation expelled him. Former members have spoken of his hate-filled sermons and insistence on "blind obedience."

The world is holding its breath –– and it's all down to a tiny Christian fundamentalist church in Florida.



Next Saturday, on the anniversary of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, Rev. Terry Jones and his colleagues plan to burn hundreds of copies of the Koran on the church's property in Gainesville, Florida.
The White House has condemned the plan, and Muslim organizations around the world have warned of the consequences should the Koran-burning go ahead. But the church is sticking to its plans.

Naturally the radical Islamophobes know very well that their deliberate provocation could trigger potentially violent protests and riots. But they have washed their hands of any responsibility. "Let's just make one thing clear," the wannabe Koran-burners write on their blog. "A small church, in a small town, down a back road, burning copies of its own books, on its own property, is not responsible for the violent actions anyone may take in retaliation to our protest."

Terry Jones, the man behind the action, is the pastor of the Dove World Outreach Center, a church that manages to attract a Sunday congregation of just 50 people, members of the radical fringe of the evangelical movement. Jones, a 58-year-old former hotel manager with a distinctive mustache, is also the author of a polemic book titled "Islam Is of the Devil."

'Climate of Fear and Control'

In the United States, Jones has already attracted attention on several occasions as an Islamophobic provocateur. What is less well known is that the pastor led a charismatic evangelical church, the Christian Community of Cologne, in the western German city up until 2009. Last year, however, the members of the congregation kicked founder Jones out, because of his radicalism. One of the church's current leaders, Stephan Baar, also told the German news agency DPA that there had been suspicions of financial irregularities in the church surrounding Jones.

A "climate of fear and control" had previously prevailed in the congregation, says one former member of the church who does not want to be named. Instead of free expression, "blind obedience" was demanded, he says.

Various witnesses gave SPIEGEL ONLINE consistent accounts of the Jones' behavior. The pastor and his wife apparently regarded themselves as having been appointed by God, meaning opposition was a crime against the Lord. Terry and Sylvia Jones allegedly used these methods to ask for money in an increasingly insistent manner, as well as making members of the congregation carry out work.

Andrew Schäfer, a Protestant Church official responsible for monitoring sects in the region where Cologne is located, confirmed the accounts. "Terry Jones is a fundamentalist," he told SPIEGEL ONLINE.

Both major churches in Germany have "sect commissioners" who monitor the activities of religious groups, sects and cults. Although they are obviously not totally impartial, the officials' findings are usually considered to be trustworthy.

'Delusional Personality'

Former church members are still undergoing therapy as a result of "spiritual abuse," Schäfer said. According to Schäfer, Jones urged church members to beat their children with a rod and also taught "a distinctive demonology" and conducted brainwashing.

"Terry Jones appears to have a delusional personality," speculates Schäfer. When he came to Germany in the 1980s, Jones apparently considered Cologne "a city of Hell that was founded by Nero's mother," while he thought Germany was "a key country for the supposed Christian revival of Europe," Schäfer says.

Terry Jones used his powers of persuasion to expand the congregation. By the end, Schäfer estimates, it numbered between 800 and 1,000 people. They had to work in the so-called "Lisa Jones Houses," charitable institutions named after his first wife who has since died, under very poor conditions.

Increasingly Radical



Jones became increasingly radical as the years went by, former associates say. At one point he wanted to help a homosexual member to "pray away his sins." Later he began to increasingly target Islam in his sermons. A congregation member reported that some members were afraid to attend services because they expected to be attacked by Muslims. "Terry Jones has a talent for finding topical social issues and seizing on them for his own cause," says Schäfer.
By the end of 2007, the community had had enough. Members confronted him and tried to change the direction of the church. But Terry Jones refused to make changes, they say. In the end, Jones, his wife and their fellow preachers were expelled from the church and he moved back to the US. "The community imploded," says Schäfer. It only has some 80 active members today.

Now the whole world is condemning Jones for his planned burning of copies of the Koran. Schäfer, for his part, sees Jones as a fanatic who is courting global media attention because he couldn't cope with the "immense loss of power and significance."



Link Posted: 9/9/2010 1:16:55 PM EDT
Damn,those librarians are hot!
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 1:17:02 PM EDT
He doesn't have a right to these services. Just as he's entitled to free speech, these businesses have the right to refuse service.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 1:17:28 PM EDT
Why are muslims allowed to get away with anything they want but when somebody wants to do something they don't agree with theres a shit storm.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 1:20:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RRD3:
This poll is fucked up as a soup sandwich


Thank you I try
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 1:20:59 PM EDT
I'm cool with it, he's just another fucknut going into the Phelps business.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 1:24:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Wingman26:
The guy wanted his 15 minutes of fame, he got his name on TV and in the paper, so he has accomplished what he set out to do.

If the media really wanted to mess this guy up, all they had to do was to ignore him, that was the best thing they could have done, and it is what they should have done.

Yep.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 1:26:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By nukldragr:
First, he is a retard and at a guess a shitty pastor.
now apparently
Originally Posted By CCW:
The noose tightens around Terry Jones and his church.

MSNBC: Pastor Jones has just had his website shut down by his internet provider.
The insurance policy for the church building has just been revoked.
The loan provider has called in the loan.
The building and property is currently up for sale for $2.5M.
Terry Jones' background, including military service, is currently under investigation by the news media.




So who is OK with this?????



Poll follows

The loan being 'called in' and building being up for sale likely pre-date the 'Quran burning' , in fact he may have been counting on the Quran Burning to bring in donations to save him from forclosure...

The Insurance thing is absolutely understandable... His actions are increasing the financial risk to the insurance carrier, beyond the value of his continued business...

Same for the ISP - 'Sorry, but we don't want your business anymore' is 100% A-OK.

And as for the media? The guy essentially jumped into a shark-tank with a pork-chop hung from his neck - he publicized his actions & basked in all the attention he knew was coming... Did he think the media (sharks) wouldn't dig around for more fresh meat, once the pork-chop got taken?

Link Posted: 9/9/2010 1:30:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Max_Power:
WTF? Are some of you completely retarded? It saddens me to think that you people call yourselves Americans. Only 36 votes for "slutty spectacled librarians in garters and heels". What's wrong with you?


The slutty librarian will win out, just you wait...
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 1:32:02 PM EDT
only 51 votes for slutty spectacled garter wearing librarians in high heals??????




Fucking Commies
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