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Dude you should have seen the 80' s.
Blue Sky always marked their guns crooked. And deeper on one side than the other . Paragon used a pin marker. It looked like an electric pencil The guns were M1 Carbines |
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Meh. I don't mind import marks as long as they're not overdone. (IMO, the import mark in the OP is overdone.) They add to the gun's history.
I have a wartime Springfield Armory M1 Garand with a "Blue Sky" stamp on the barrel near the muzzle. You have to look hard to find it. |
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It's combloc stuff. It's ugly to begin with.
Can't polish a turd. |
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PW is Pac West I believe. And they mark them because it is a atf rule
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I have a wartime Springfield Armory M1 Garand with a "Blue Sky" stamp on the barrel near the muzzle. You have to look hard to find it. View Quote I had a .410 Enfield from Springfield Sporters that was marked on the barrel, under the rear handguard. Wish I still had it, it looked like it was built on a nearly unissued gun. |
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I took the drunken owner home to his mansion in my taxi one night.
He was very different imo. |
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OP, you should have seen the import marks on a batch of K31's that AIM got in a year or two ago that made the rounds in the C&R forum....Huge block of letters on the top of the receiver, I believe it was Century that mangled them.
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PW Arms looks like it's in the same building as the AR57 guys and one other importer I can't remember the name of. Or maybe I'm wrong.
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OP, you should have seen the import marks on a batch of K31's that AIM got in a year or two ago that made the rounds in the C&R forum....Huge block of letters on the top of the receiver, I believe it was Century that mangled them. View Quote Sad thing to do to a beautiful rifle... |
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OP, you should have seen the import marks on a batch of K31's that AIM got in a year or two ago that made the rounds in the C&R forum....Huge block of letters on the top of the receiver, I believe it was Century that mangled them. Sad thing to do to a beautiful rifle... This was practically criminal |
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First of all, fuck import marks.
But since the government sucks, import marks should be on the bottom of the barrel or somewhere you can't obviously see. |
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It has a manual safety. It's already ruined. Who cares about how shitty the import mark is?
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Eh, a Parker, Beretta, or Perazzi yeah. A rough gun made by serfs barely better than slaves covered in commiefont? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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It's terrible what we do to these things Eh, a Parker, Beretta, or Perazzi yeah. A rough gun made by serfs barely better than slaves covered in commiefont? It's still a collectible item of which there are a finite number in circulation. |
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The safety they put on those to be able to import them is more of an abomination.
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My older Tokarev is a single line on the right side of the slide
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Import marks used to be down-right microscopic. My understanding is that a few years ago, ATF (again making law by decree) issued arbitrary regulations about the font size and depth of engraving as well as the use of abbreviations and punctuation with regards to import markings. I heard that they then slapped Century's pee-pee over a bunch of "improperly marked" guns. The result is that importers are taking no chances and going well above and beyond what ATF has deemed acceptable. The bad news is that a lot of collectible pieces of history have to be defaced. It is like printing a copyright across the Mona Lisa.
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Thanks, PW. <a href="http://s747.photobucket.com/user/MVolkJ1975/media/Milsurps/StarModelB_zps0d54f6cf.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i747.photobucket.com/albums/xx116/MVolkJ1975/Milsurps/StarModelB_zps0d54f6cf.jpg</a> <a href="http://s747.photobucket.com/user/MVolkJ1975/media/Milsurps/M571.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i747.photobucket.com/albums/xx116/MVolkJ1975/Milsurps/M571.jpg</a> And no, they don't have to do this, they just do. Several other importers use much smaller markings in much less conspicuous places. CAI defaced the hell out of the recent K31 imports with gigantic billboards on the receiver, while M&M used a tiny marking on the underside of the barrel on their imports of the K11s, M1911 and 1896/11 rifles. View Quote The import mark on that Star is less than ideal, but I don't think it's unreasonable. The billboard on the slide is ridiculous. |
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When I worked at TGI, that's where we put the import mark. And in the smallest script allowed by the ATF. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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First of all, fuck import marks. But since the government sucks, import marks should be on the bottom of the barrel or somewhere you can't obviously see. When I worked at TGI, that's where we put the import mark. And in the smallest script allowed by the ATF. That's the best spot for rifles and revolvers. |
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Import marks used to be down-right microscopic. My understanding is that a few years ago, ATF (again making law by decree) issued arbitrary regulations about the font size and depth of engraving as well as the use of abbreviations and punctuation with regards to import markings. I heard that they then slapped Century's pee-pee over a bunch of "improperly marked" guns. The result is that importers are taking no chances and going well above and beyond what ATF has deemed acceptable. The bad news is that a lot of collectible pieces of history have to be defaced. It is like printing a copyright across the Mona Lisa. View Quote Does anyone know the specifics of what's required? |
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On pistols we always engraved either the bottom edge of the slide where it overlapped the frame. Or on the heel of the frame where the magazine was inserted, if there was enough material.
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http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k620/Bassgasm1/Gun%20Stuff/Walther%20P38%20import%20mark_zpsa6dx9yis.jpg At least it's on the front strap. It's aggressive enough to act as checkering. View Quote LOL.....Interarms put their mark on the underside of the edge of the slide on their Gray Ghost P-38s. They were acid etched on there in very small lettering as you would expect of such a location. When I see one at a show the seller always says "no import marks". I just flip it over and say yes there is or point out where they have been filed/buffed smooth. Talk about getting some dirty looks. |
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I have a K31 that came through PW, and the mark isn't very bad. Small and low on the side of the sight block. Would I prefer it be hidden? Yeah. Do I trust the average importer to remove hundreds of surplus stocks to place an import mark under the barrel where it can't be seen? Not without doing serious damage to a lot of rifles.
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I have a K31 that came through PW, and the mark isn't very bad. Small and low on the side of the sight block. Would I prefer it be hidden? Yeah. Do I trust the average importer to remove hundreds of surplus stocks to place an import mark under the barrel where it can't be seen? Not without doing serious damage to a lot of rifles. View Quote That's a lot of work the importer won't do. We were getting in 10,000-15,000 91/30 Mosin Nagants per shipment. Removing the stock to engrave would have been a nightmare. We engraved on the underside of the barrel and recased them. Turn em and burn em. Distributors were screaming for them as soon as they hit our dock. I don't remember how many total we did in the short time we got the Mosins in. Seems like there was 7 or 8 shipments of 10,000 or 15,000 in each shipment. Each shipment was followed up by 2 weeks later by 5.5 million rounds of 7.62x54r ammo. Add into that all the pistols we were getting in from Israel and Hungary to be inventoried, engraved, serial numbers to be checked against manifests so the "born on date" and numbers could be declared to the ATF in their time line of entering all the data and declaring it with them. |
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That's a lot of work the importer won't do. We were getting in 10,000-15,000 91/30 Mosin Nagants per shipment. Removing the stock to engrave would have been a nightmare. We engraved on the underside of the barrel and recased them. Turn em and burn em. Distributors were screaming for them as soon as they hit our dock. I don't remember how many total we did in the short time we got the Mosins in. Seems like there was 7 or 8 shipments of 10,000 or 15,000 in each shipment. Each shipment was followed up by 2 weeks later by 5.5 million rounds of 7.62x54r ammo. Add into that all the pistols we were getting in from Israel and Hungary to be inventoried, engraved, serial numbers to be checked against manifests so the "born on date" and numbers could be declared to the ATF in their time line of entering all the data and declaring it with them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I have a K31 that came through PW, and the mark isn't very bad. Small and low on the side of the sight block. Would I prefer it be hidden? Yeah. Do I trust the average importer to remove hundreds of surplus stocks to place an import mark under the barrel where it can't be seen? Not without doing serious damage to a lot of rifles. That's a lot of work the importer won't do. We were getting in 10,000-15,000 91/30 Mosin Nagants per shipment. Removing the stock to engrave would have been a nightmare. We engraved on the underside of the barrel and recased them. Turn em and burn em. Distributors were screaming for them as soon as they hit our dock. I don't remember how many total we did in the short time we got the Mosins in. Seems like there was 7 or 8 shipments of 10,000 or 15,000 in each shipment. Each shipment was followed up by 2 weeks later by 5.5 million rounds of 7.62x54r ammo. Add into that all the pistols we were getting in from Israel and Hungary to be inventoried, engraved, serial numbers to be checked against manifests so the "born on date" and numbers could be declared to the ATF in their time line of entering all the data and declaring it with them. TGI has always been good about thinking of collectors when in came to the import marks esp on Mosins and Mausers. Even Century Arms toned back the billboard after awhile but were still pretty much DGAS about collectors.. PW just doesn't care, they know they will sell regardless so the time and labor saved in import marking is more important than making customers happy.. |
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