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Posted: 5/28/2003 8:41:39 AM EDT
I am curiouse about this because I see a lot threads on this board about people who have college of some degree under their belt yet are unemployed....??? So I ask, who, like me, has no college, no trade yet works 40+ hours a week in a manufacturing or anything else career field?? My job has a ton of OT, great benefits, vacation is superb yet if my company bought a truck load of spider monkeys and replaced me with them, I would be on the street, well I don't usually fling my shit around at the other monkeys I work with but if it helps me keep my job..Anyways I am pretty worried when the day comes and I get pink slipped for what ever BS reason, I have no trade, no College yet have been with this company for the last 7 years. Yes I keep thinking about getting a degree of somekind, just not sure what to study. I really feel for you guys out there looking for a job that more than pays the bills. Keep looking, things can only get better, soon, I hope.. So sound off if you are unedumacated like me, hehehe..Don't be afraid or embarrased, lots of people make a decent living without any college or trade, social skills and a good work ethic can go a long way. Sound off..
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 8:43:51 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 9:06:41 AM EDT
From where did you escape?
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 9:43:02 AM EDT
I got laid off after 21 years from a big oil company...They thought they could replace older workers drawing full benefits and salary with new young ones for half the money...alot of the old guys got flushed...they are still having major problems because of the loss of EXPERIENCE. I was later asked to come back....for less money of course...kinda to start over....FUCK UM!! They are struggling to stay afloat...I'm hoping for a major SINK! Fuck um! Bitter?? I learned to do other things..It was tough. There are plenty of JOBS out there...plenty...They may not be what you want to do..they may not pay much and Lord forbid you might have to work TWO jobs but they are out there. I'm back on my feet..It hasn't been easy or fun but I made a living and got the kids raised all without trade skills or a college education. Course it would have been easier to sit on my ASS and suck on that BIG Government tit cause no one came knockin on my door offering me an executive position with my H.S. diploma...but thats just what the libs want you to do....suck on that big tit...ever see that bumper sticker that says "Work hard! Millions on Welfare are depending on you" Thats what is flushing the U.S.A. down the shitter.
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 9:56:02 AM EDT
h.s drop out ,joined the army,fix helicopters,got out learn to operate blow film extruders and ribbon cable extruders,work my way up to a maint tech. no college only a g.e.d. have not been with out a job since i started working at 15 for my uncle at a garage tearing engines down.
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 10:02:44 AM EDT
I ain't got shit.
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 10:09:07 AM EDT
No trade skills. Going to community college at night to "upgrade" and eventually get a BA in Education. Here's the kicker: Once I have a degree and can teach, I'll actually be making about 25%less than I'm making now. I think, though, that I'll be happier in the long run. Never been laid off, always "moved up" when I changed jobs. Have had this one for 8 years, and the last one for 10. Not having the "piece of paper" had held me back, but I'm still better off than someone who spent $$ obtaining a degree and now can't find any work that doesn't involve the phrase "Do you want fries with that?"
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 10:09:21 AM EDT
College is about more than just getting a better job. It broadens your outlook on life. The human mind is not meant to absorb TV shows and beer. It was made to think. To be exercised like any other muscle. Escapee you ought to be more aggressive in bettering yourself intellectually. Otherwise, you'll someday find yourself old, poor, ignorant, and insignificant to anyone.
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 10:11:22 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Imbroglio: I ain't got shit.
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Hey, now, you've got a 10/22 and .38 revolver! That's got to count for something.
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One thing you have to look at is that a good number of those unemployed(see the unemployed thread), are IT/web professionals. This is the HARDEST hit sector right now. It's just the economy. Heck, I want to leave CA so bad,it's insane..but I can't find a job at high end place where I want to live. So for the time being, I am hanging in there. ONe thing you also have to remember about those whith college degrees, and to some extent trade skiils-yes, you do have your job, but those with the education/skills can go further in the long run. There is also, of course, ever person's motivation to get where they want. Ex.-one of my high school friend's mom has ZERO college..and did not have any trade skills when young, got married, had a son,got divorced. She got a job as a teller at a bank, in less than 10 years, she had worked her way up regional vice president. She got tired of that, and then got a entry level job at the local courthouse...she now runs it.(The courthouse) The world be damned if I am going to be a low paid chef my whole working life!
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 1:19:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By clean_cut: College is about more than just getting a better job. It broadens your outlook on life. The human mind is not meant to absorb TV shows and beer. It was made to think. To be exercised like any other muscle. Escapee you ought to be more aggressive in bettering yourself intellectually. Otherwise, you'll someday find yourself old, poor, ignorant, and insignificant to anyone.
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He is right, except for the insults. College is about learning to think also. I know many people who are intelligent but uneducated, and they do well. But to also have an education...that is how to succeed.
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 1:31:37 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/28/2003 1:38:15 PM EDT
Unless you're going to be a professional (doctor, lawyer, soldier for hire) all a college degree really does is show you are able to make a decision and stick to it. At least that's what I've been told.
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 1:39:04 PM EDT
a porn movie star job requires no skills or college does it?
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 1:46:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Aimless:
Originally Posted By EdAvilaSr: What are spider monkeys?
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Sort of like me, but smaller and they throw poop (more often) [:)]. [url]http://www.oaklandzoo.org/atoz/spdmky.jpg[/url] There are significant portions of my day one of these could perform as well/better than me [:(] Don't kid yourself clean_cut, although it's tough plenty of people get by pretty damn good without a college edumakation. One of the best police detectives in my town flunked out of community college about 30 years ago and never went back. He's put plenty of college educated guys who thought they were smarter than him in state prison.
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People like you really make my blood boil. You take pride in the fact that you don't have a college education, or that you "made it" without a college education. While I don't doubt one can make a lot of money without a college education, what I'm saying is your attitude about education is all wrong. People like you are giving the wrong message to kids today. I'll tell you what - America better get their act together and educate their young well, or else you will be buying better-made products from other countries who do take their education seriously, such as Germany and Japan. Wait, that's already happened. America will relinquish its world dominance in the business, military, and technological fields before too long to other countries because of a laissez-faire attitude to education of people like you.
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Link Posted: 5/28/2003 2:45:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Green_Furniture: Unless you're going to be a professional (doctor, lawyer, soldier for hire) all a college degree really does is show you are able to make a decision and stick to it. At least that's what I've been told.
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I would agree. It is not the degree it is the type of degree. I have an undergraduate in Criminology. Highest paying job I could get was as a factory worker. GM paid for a Master Degree in Quality. I have not been out of work more than a week since. I have held positions as a Sr. Quality Engineer and Quality Manager. Definitely needed a Master Degree for that.
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 2:47:41 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Aimless: ...He's put plenty of college educated guys who thought they were smarter than him in state prison.
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Just think what he could have done with an education.
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 2:53:14 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/28/2003 3:12:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Aimless:
Originally Posted By QCMGR:
Originally Posted By Aimless: ...He's put plenty of college educated guys who thought they were smarter than him in state prison.
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Just think what he could have done with an education.
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Not a damn thing job wise, though he would probably know more about pan-african lute making and the history of organized crime. Some things college is poorly suited to teaching.
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Your posts in this thread are annoying me to no end. So, you're a law school grad who is downplaying the importance of a college education...Why? Trying to pander to the folks on ar15? Pretty condescending of you, eh? (But you said LAW school - that figures). College education is no automatic ticket to success. You still need to work hard in your chosen profession for that to happen. But a college degree is a key ingredient to success...don't make it sound like it's a frivolous use of time and money.
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 3:52:47 PM EDT
Clean cut, you are going way over board Bud, I never said I was better than educated unemployed workers and yes college is a step in the right direction, higher learning is always good. I work with quite a few people who have 4 year college degrees doing the same job I am, pushing buttons, doing the 12 hour shift thing at night. It is sad. I started this thread to see who could fess up to having no academic education other than High School, this was not meant to be an I'm better than you are thread, so chill out Clean cut. How many of you out there have GED's?? I do, got it when I turned 30.
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 4:24:50 PM EDT
Escapee, I don't have a G.E.D. but I do have an Adult High School diploma. I had an attendance problem my senior year in high school and was booted 2 credits short of graduating. So, I went to the Community College one weekend and took a couple of tests and "tested" out of those credits. I went into the Army for 4 years as a SATCOM operator. Now I'm a civilian contractor for the Government doing the same job that I was doing while enlisted making pretty good tax-free money. I think I'm doing pretty good for someone without a High School diploma. CHRIS
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Link Posted: 5/28/2003 6:22:05 PM EDT
I'm an experienced production welder. With some college under my belt. I make the fuel tanks ford bolts on their E-35O semi trucks. I slave in a hot smoke filled non union shit hole Full of pot heads and ex-felons, ruled by Unintelligent corpulent elitist management types for $14.50 an hour. I hate my job and would quit in a heart beat if a better opportunity arose for less money.
Link Posted: 5/29/2003 9:50:02 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Imbroglio: I ain't got shit.
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Imbro I used to get kinda "down" on myself for not having shit until I got on this board and read some of your posts....you always make me feel fortunate and thankful....thanks and keep up the good work...[party]
Link Posted: 5/29/2003 9:56:06 AM EDT
I think it is more about timing, who you know, and your personal motivation. Look at Bill Gates. He's a college drop-out.
Link Posted: 5/29/2003 12:35:03 PM EDT
I have a college education, computer certifications every thing. My mom has a double masters. My brother is a college drop out. He watches TV at Pearl Harbor and makes twice as much as my mom and I put together. And seriously all he seams to be doing is watching TV.
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