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Posted: 7/2/2003 1:08:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/2/2003 1:10:15 PM EDT by cyanide]
16" vs 20"...I will tell you this. I took my AR10T with the 16" barrel. Used a Harris Bipod 6" one and the Super Sniper Scope by Tasco. I went to PASA PArk in IL and shot out to 1200yds. I think that is the longest. It might be 1600yds. Anyway 308 Match Molly Coated ammo 168gr Black hills. I was on the paper and once dialed in. My shots were the size of Quarters. At 200-400-600 yds I want to say 3 shots in each other. 800 and 1200yds Like I said Quarters and some smaller. I put almost 900 rounds through it that day. Now that was with a 16" and brake. I put in a Rock River National Match Trigger. I am sure 16" or 20" you will be very happy with the rifle. THIS IS A GREAT DEAL SR. has put together. Wish you had a 24" in the mix, but I am going to try for the 20". Just real bad time this and next month. Also my Bushmaster Varminter out to 800yds was like a tack driver. 24" flutted barrel, Bipod, Springfield Armory Tactical Scope with 223 comp in it.I didn't do to good past 800 yds at all.
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I shoot a lot, but still have not found a rifle that can do this. [b]wow[/b]1200 yard shots all inside a quarter.
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 1:10:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/2/2003 1:18:25 PM EDT by PONY_DRIVER]
Saw that on pre-ban this a.m. I want a link. BTW has anyone called BS on him yet? EDIT: Link found. Chuckles, moves on.
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 1:11:23 PM EDT
let me be the first ------ bs
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 1:13:07 PM EDT
[BS]
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 1:13:11 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 1:13:16 PM EDT
And not only that this guys that was there and saw him do it turned out to be the coach of the US Palma Team and offered him the job of Team Captain. Of course his other responsiblites would keep him from actually attending but the gesture was nice. [bs]
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 1:14:38 PM EDT
I once had a thread called "Truth in Accuracy" where we discussed people lying about rifle accuracy. No rifle can shoot that good. Period.
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 1:17:07 PM EDT
BS! On the scale of Gore inventing the internet. Isn't the world record something like a 4 inch group at 1000 yards. An alternate method of determining that this is BS, is the fact that he shot 900 rounds of Match grade ammo. AS IF!
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 1:17:56 PM EDT
This one time at Band Camp ...
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 1:18:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/2/2003 1:18:51 PM EDT by raven]
Quarter-sized groups? That's 1 MOA, isn't it? At 1200 yards? [bs2]
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 1:18:55 PM EDT
By my rough calculations, that's about .07 MOA at 1200 yards. At 1600 yards, it's .058 MOA. Dat's some good shootin!
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 1:19:57 PM EDT
No rifle in the world can do that, whether the shooter could or not is irrelevant. Especially a 16" AR10. Major Horse Shit!
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 1:23:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Cypher214: No rifle in the world can do that, whether the shooter could or not is irrelevant. Especially a 16" AR10. Major Horse Shit!
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No way man, no problem for me! After I get done sexing up Nichole Kidman, I'm getting into my Diablo, leaving my tudor estate, and coming over there to show you!
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 1:25:29 PM EDT
link [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=122&t=193027&page=4[/url]
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 1:26:04 PM EDT
Probably posted by Lon Horiuchi over at www.zapafewciviliansforfun.com
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 1:31:48 PM EDT
Paso Park is a really nice place, but I did not see a range that one could shoot that far. I have seen a revolver shooter shoot 2 shots so fast that I would have lost money betting that he just shot once.
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 1:33:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By cyanide: link [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=122&t=193027&page=4[/url]
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Let's keep the comments here, instead of in that thread, so as not to completely hijack it. Suffice to say the goofy comments have nothing to do with the subject of the original thread. And they certainly merit a thread of their own for discussion purposes.
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 1:34:15 PM EDT
PASA Park has a web site. As far as I can tell, their longest range in 600 yards. At least that's what they shoot "Long Range" Any Rifle, Any Sight matches on. Hell even Range 4 at Quantico only goes out to 1000 yards. I got 10 bucks says this guy has never seen a range longer than 600 yards, and prone unsupported he couldn't hold 20 rounds in the black on a NM taget with the rifle described. I think what he's trying to communicate is that he threw 900 rounds down range and 3 of them were close together.
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 1:34:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By eswanson: By my rough calculations, that's about .07 MOA at 1200 yards. At 1600 yards, it's .058 MOA. Dat's some good shootin!
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Whoops, you're right. a 1 inch group at 100 yards is 1 MOA, right?
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 1:35:49 PM EDT
IBTL! BigDozer66
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 1:36:34 PM EDT
[bs]
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 1:38:03 PM EDT
[img]http://w3.gorge.net/jasong/temp/bsmeter.gif[/img] Sincerly, CH
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 1:38:39 PM EDT
I don't know about anyone else, but I can keyhole at 1600 meters while blindfolded, offhand, 240 mph cross wind, and drunk with my Mannlicher-Carcano. Hell, could probably do better with an MP-5 if I put my mind to it. This guy is obviously an amatuer when it comes to skilled marksmanship.
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 1:39:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/2/2003 1:39:51 PM EDT by HKocher]
Holy crap!
shot out to 1200yds. I think that is the longest. It might be 1600yds
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He can shoot like that, but he can't read a mil dot for distance... [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 1:55:58 PM EDT
No Bull Shit, There I was, knee deep in hand grenade pins, we'd worn our bayonets down to little nubs, the rifleing in our A2's was gone, and all I had left was my SIG 226 and 4 rounds....I did the only thing a man could do....I charged!!!! Then I got killed, damn!
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 1:58:55 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 2:01:45 PM EDT
sheeeeet. I can shoot better than that off the hip with my Glock 26.
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 2:03:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By brasspile: Unless he is talking about a 1 shot group. (Keyhole the size of a Quarter?)
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Aaah....it all makes sense now. [;)]
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 2:06:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/2/2003 2:27:44 PM EDT by Trog777]
Well a nice 26" bolt rifle zeroed @ 600 yards shooting 168gr .308 will have a bullet drop somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 ft at 1000 yards and wind drift would be in the range of a ft or so for every mph of breeze. At 1200yds you do the math, she'll be falling like a MOAB. [:)] I'd have just about as much chance shooting a group the size of a pie plate with my 700vs at 1200yds as I would throwing a rock at a 747 flying overhead and hitting it. So I guess the answer to the original question would be "Not I".[lol]
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 2:07:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/2/2003 2:09:42 PM EDT by Winston_Wolf]
(1) If you are precision shooting and you're not sure of your range you're lying about accuracy. (2) Moly-coated .308 ammo as-of-late has proven to not be as accurate as once professed. (3) [i]"shots the size of quarters"[/i] ... is the exact length a perfectly key-holed 168 grain boat-tail prints on paper. [img]http://www.pipebombnews.com/readerimages/BSMETER.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 2:13:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Hipower: I got 10 bucks says this guy has never seen a range longer than 600 yards, and prone unsupported he couldn't hold 20 rounds in the black on a NM taget with the rifle described.
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Once my brother-in-law took me to the Burro Canyon (or Creek?) range up near LA. On the rifle range, there was this guy with AKs and such. He thought we were shooting at 500 yards. I estimated 300. My laser rangefinder measured it at 250.
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 2:18:32 PM EDT
and what happened whe he woke up?
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 2:27:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By bear3351: and what happened whe he woke up?
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...he realized- he was just in Nebraska[):)]
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 2:31:11 PM EDT
Hey guys, give him a break. I can shoot dime-sized groups at 18,000 yards, with iron sights when I take my Fairy Dust too!
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 2:38:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By brasspile: AR-10T w/Nightforce will make a 1" group at 500. Past 800 when the bullet goes tans-sonic (crosses the sound barrier), it all goes to the laws of Fluid Dynamics and Chaos, which means Psuedo-Random is added in.
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[shock] Excuse me; I'm in the wrong room!
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 2:46:38 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 2:49:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By HiramRanger: Guys he is on world-class pain killers for his back which he screwed up when one of the towers at the WTC fell on him... Surely two years of this therapeutic narcotoc cocktail entitles him to a few typos...
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Ok did not know thanks, sorry for the post then. Apologies.
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 2:54:48 PM EDT
Be nice. edpmedic is an authentic AR15.com Hero and a veteran of the WTC disaster, crippled for life in the wreckage of the Towers. (I didn't say he was right.) [50] just because I felt like adding some color.
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 2:58:28 PM EDT
Pain killers? or Hallucinogens.
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 2:59:12 PM EDT
How big a quarter are we talking about here? Yap Island quarters, perhaps? [img]http://www.janeresture.com/fedmic/yapmoney.jpg[/img] Yeah, I can keep all my shots in a quarter sized group if I'm using an AK at 1600 yards, if I get to use THIS quarter! From an offhand position, too!
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 3:00:06 PM EDT
Never sat down to figure it out. Anybody wanna hazard a swag at what the MOA would be when a 16" naval gun hits a 20' target at 26,000 (yep thousand)yards?
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 3:05:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By PaDanby: Never sat down to figure it out. Anybody wanna hazard a swag at what the MOA would be when a 16" naval gun hits a 20' target at 26,000 (yep thousand)yards?
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26000/100/12=21' About an MOA, give or take. DonS, You must have been at Lytle creek. Burro Canyon goes to 100 yds+
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 3:05:50 PM EDT
Originally Posted By cmjohnson: How big a quarter are we talking about here? Yap Island quarters, perhaps? [url]http://www.janeresture.com/fedmic/yapmoney.jpg[/url] Yeah, I can keep all my shots in a quarter sized group if I'm using an AK at 1600 yards, if I get to use THIS quarter! From an offhand position, too!
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On the pic at one O Clock you can see a fly, I can hit it at 1000 yards on a good day. [:)]
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 3:21:05 PM EDT
no, the main range is 150ish..and there are other request ranges there too. they plan of making the main 200 tho..i havnt been there since march.
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 3:24:53 PM EDT
If you can't put every round inside of a nickel at 1600 yards something is very wrong with you! [img]http://www.canadianheritage.org/images/large/20580.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 3:28:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Hipower: I think what he's trying to communicate is that he threw 900 rounds down range and 3 of them were close together.
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[lol]
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 4:08:30 PM EDT
Have you read any of his other posts lately?? This goober needs some serious mental help!! I've been on some heavy pain meds alot longer than he has & I've never felt the need to post the kinds of bullshit he's been posting. ____________________________________ The only hope you have is to accept the fact that you are already dead. And the sooner you accept that, the sooner you will be able to function as a soldier is supposed to function, without mercy, without compassion, without remorse.
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 4:32:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl: ...he realized- he was just in Nebraska[):)]
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The wind blows pretty hard here at times, but not that hard.
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 5:25:46 PM EDT
Hell, I can shoot that well off-hand with my 1911. [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 5:51:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By rileyindy: DonS, You must have been at Lytle creek. Burro Canyon goes to 100 yds+
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Damned if that wasn't a scary place. As a teenager I loved going up there to shoot. Then it started to dawn on me what kind of idiots were there, especially on the weekends. On a side note, the road leading to the shooting area is where I learned that Corvettes were not made to fly.
Link Posted: 7/2/2003 6:52:01 PM EDT
Sorry, im not in the market to buy into a bs atory like that.
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