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Posted: 2/6/2006 8:57:03 AM EDT
So Texas finally deemed me profeshnull enuff to carry (woot!) and as I'm going about with my PM9 in my SmartCarry holster for the first time, I couldn't stop thinking about how the thing is chambered and pointing right at my boys. Then I started thinking "damn, what if there is a loose thread on the holster and it got snagged on the trigger". Sounds crazy but hey, check out the new thread on the AD with the Glock getting snagged. Then I started thinking about life as a eunuch and decided dammit, I'm gonna just carry it unchambered. An unchambered gun is better than no gun and worst case, being shot dead is better than living life with no nads. Anybody else?
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I do if I expect to be sitting in a position where i can't "relocate" the weapon or if I'm in/out of the car a lot. I don't trust trigger safeties in a lot of situations.
An empty gun is a useless gun, true. But if it shoots me in the spine it isn't much good, either. You just have to plan ahead. |
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Unchambered and Smart Carry may as well be no gun at all, seriously, are you going to reach into your junk, pull the gun, chamber a round before whatever caused this response kills you? This also isn't taking degradation of fine motor skills into consideration when you add the stress of life or death!
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that part is most definately true... so I've heard... |
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I dont carry Mostly cuz I'll only be in TN for like 8 more months. It does me no good while deployed, and when I get back, I go to the Nazi state of Illinois. I'm not spending 120 bucks to carry for 8 months.
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+1 or else send back the Permit. You are not worthy. (for real) |
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Throw away the Smartcarry. Get a pocket holster, chamber round, insert gun into said pocket holster, put into pocket.
The PM9 is so damn small you can hide it anywhere. |
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I'm fairly thin (6', 170lbs), live in a warm client, I can't really hide a IWB holster with a t-shirt. |
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By having it "Un-chambered" is'nt that like Assult with a dead weapon ?
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www.gandrtactical.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2720 |
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The criminals already have the element of surprise in their favor, why give them more of an advantage?? LOCK-N-LOAD
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Lumpy should be here soon to tell you what he thinks your idea.
Look at it this way. If you get into a situation that will justify you pulling your CCW there is a very good chance that you WILL NOT have time to chamber the round. Most "experts" will tell you that you need to be capable of drawing and firing your CCW weapon i 1.5 seconds. Adding a major step, such as chambering the round will make it impossible to accomplish this task. SBG |
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Never.
All my handguns are of modern design and short of a bizarre mechanical failure or abject stupidity on my part they will never fire unless I pull the trigger. In many defensive situations you're going to have to respond nearly instanteously to the threat. Chambering a round under those circumstances is simply not something I'm willing to deal with. Identify, draw, front sight, press. Wash, rinse, repeat until the threat stops. Adding additional complex (under high stress) steps is a fools trade for a miniscule amount of perceived (not actual) safety. My 0.02. |
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I live in TX also I'm 6'3" 265 lbs and carry a full sized 1911 in a Milt Sparks IWB and wear jeans and T-Shirts all the time. It's possible you just gotta be aware of you clothing and situations. You just gotta determine what is more important to you.
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I don't and wouldn't carry mine unloaded Don't make good sense too me!
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Come on dude, anyone can hide a PM9 is a proper holster. This will help a great deal. It is a very stable holster design extremely comfortable. It is only a couple millimeters thicker than the gun so it is as easy to conceal as having the gun tucked into your waistband. The guy offers a money back guarantee, so you've got nothing to lose. threatsolutions.com/holsterindex.html Just give it a try, and I promise you will thank me later. |
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Get comfortable with the design of your weapons systems, or stop carrying them.
Seriously. |
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5'6", 150#, I carry a BHP in an IWB holster with an untucked shirt. A gun with an empty chamber is useless.
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Give me a break, that's the kind of gung ho shit people love to say but it's bull. Maybe if you drew down you would need to fire immediately, most of the accounts you hear about indicate plenty of time to give a warning much less rack the slide which only takes a split second. I'm not saying unchambered is better than not, yeah it's a disadvantage, but saying it makes concealed carry worthless is silly. |
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It seems you have your CHL, but no idea how to properly carry. Go get yourself some training. Lots of good classes here in TX.
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As another excercise, repeat these steps with one hand only. Then with weak hand only. |
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I'm the same size, and I can hide a 1911 under a t-shirt that is too small. ANd my short stocky friend can hide an N-frame. |
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Not really,depends on who you are and not me. If and when your attacked,be sure to ask the BG if it's ok to chamber a round before he attacks you. Carry a round chambered or don't carry at all.In the time it takes you to clear your holster,rack the slide, get a sight picture the BG will have already killed you. If your being attacked , the nerves will already be hyped up enough to cause your muscle memory to have a hard time operating,having to rack the slide will be one more thing for you to deal with and could quite possibly cost you ( or someone else's ) your/their life. I'd add getting some training into your budget. Also get a real holster. |
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What if you run into an armed thug? DO you think he will wait while you play with your gun to hurt or kill you? If your affraid to carry loaded then you have no trust in your weapon and/or training. I would change tactics if I were you and also get more training if needed. |
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So what,I'd rather be a little warm with an extra shirt on than be unarmed. |
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Too further add, Smart Carry is really only designed for the times when you absolutely cannot carry in a more conventional way. It gives up some time for concealability. By carrying unchambered with Smart Carry, you are giving up even more time, time that you WILL need if presented with a situation. If you are in a situation that you know "well" beforehand is going to deteriorate in to drawing down, then you probably have time to get out of the area as well.
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True, but then, an AD could still mean a titanium hip but that's better than a eunuch Might give it a try anyways, thanks. |
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Pistols with an empty chamber make a piss poor club. Even with a Smartcarry, the triggerguard is completely covered. Chamber a round and carry your pistol properly. Read the previously posted "21 foot rule" pdf, and have it change your mind.
Edit: There's no way you're going to be able to draw, rack slide, target, and shoot in 1.6 seconds. Especially not from a Smartcarry holster. |
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After you get some training ( your permit course doesn't count ) , or before doesn't matter to me, ask the instructor about presentation and the added unchambered round. You admit to having the gun unchambered is a disadvantage,why do you want to give the BG more advantage than he already has? Get some training man. PLEASE! |
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I'm not sure how long you've been carrying, but if I were to guess, I would say you're fairly new. I could be wrong. Nevertheless, when I first started carrying I stuck with a S&W 442 in a pocket holster - with only 4 rounds, the chamber under the hammer was empty. I was concerned with AD (no, not ED!!). After a couple of years of concealed carry with different pistols/revolvers, everthing from Bersa to Kel-Tec, Taurus, S&W, Makarov, etc., my comfort level and proficiency improved. I think you might just need more time and experience. I've carried a 1911 C&L under a t-shirt in Florida during 105 degree temps. Sure, I'm sweating, but it isn't the pistol making me sweat - its the heat/humidity.
ETA: if I made an improper assumption, I apologize and did not mean to embarrass you. |
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1. People who are mandated to by thier agency,job, whatever.
2. People who lack confidance in thier ability to handle thier firearms, and their firearme itself in some cases. |
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I have the same build. I conceal a larger gun IWB with just a t-shirt all the time. |
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I carry an MK9 most times. Yes, you're right. |
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What kind of holster do you use for the BHP? Other than my Kahr, my BHP is the other carry gun. |
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You really seem to be assuming a whole lot. The scenario you think you will encounter will be completely opposite of what will happen. You are pointing fingers at people who are prepared because they would rather have something than need it. Which is why you are carrying isn't it? You carry because the need might arise to defend yourself to the death. If you want to play around with the chances of you surviving by giving away valuable seconds, by all means, we will not stop you. Your comments seem to be centered around how afraid you are of the gun. That is not meant as an insult just advice. |
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What is that a picture of? you know holsters are designed to wrap around the trigger guard so they don't just "go bang" in your pants, right?
Sounds like you may need to re-think carrying at all. Whatever you decide, be safe and get more training. |
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Firstly, I have carried concealed semi-automatic pistols for years, and never has one discharged on me during daily carry. Secondly, in an actual self defense scenario you might well find yourself in a position where you CANNOT chamber around, thus making your weapon absolutely useless. Proceeding as if you will be able to chamber a round if trouble starts is a pretty good way to get your butt in a sling. Ever tried manually chambering a round in an automatic pistol in a hurry? Care to guess how many malfunctions I have seen induced that way? If you are afraid of a chambered pistol going off, the better solution is to carry a revolver which IS perfectly safe, and which will still allow you to have a fully functional weapon at the ready. |
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Yes you can. With the right shirt, belt, and holster, you can conceal a big 1911. |
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Smartcarry is for places like the anti-gun office which won't allow concealed carry - with a smaller pistol, it's the shiznit, as there is no way anyone will accidently bump/touch/feel it there (under normal circumstances). That being said, I carried my glock there with one in the pipe, and I didn't feel like I was endangering myself. YMMV
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I used to carry a Glock unchambered in a groin carry when I first got my CHL.
As I got more practice, I switched to a H&K compact USP with a round chambered. It is all about your comfort level. I also realized most people are not trying to check if you are wearing a gun. Now I sometimes even carry outside my waistband with a long t-shirt. No one notices, not even other CCW's. |
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Sh*t does not just "happen" with firearms. Sh*ht "happening" with firearms usually refers to someone doing something incredibly stupid. There is a REASON you reholster SLOW and with DELIBERATE attention: to avoid doing anything damnably stupid. The odds of a weapon firing on its own inside a holster are probably far lower than the odds of you being hit by lightning. |
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