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Posted: 6/18/2003 11:09:41 AM EDT
That a person can possess certain abilities beyond the physical - ability to read minds, see the future, sense impending disaster...etc
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 11:15:34 AM EDT
As an Evangelical Christian, I believe in God's supernatural power. However, all other cases, such as you listed, are either fakes or demonic possession.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 11:18:26 AM EDT
So, someone who has these "abilities" must be demonically possessed, then? Are there no godly people who can have these abilities?
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 11:19:54 AM EDT
I believe that "supernatural" abilities exist as long as they are not claimed to be the work of God or Satan.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 11:22:22 AM EDT
I knew you were going to post this question. Spooky, eh?
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 11:49:05 AM EDT
I know I do.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 11:58:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By clean_cut: So, someone who has these "abilities" must be demonically possessed, then? Are there no godly people who can have these abilities?
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You seem to be asking an honest question, so I will give an honest answer. The first you listed, "ability to read minds", was never a gift of God to men. One possible exception was Daniel's ability to tell the king what he has dreamed. So, "mind readers" are not serving God. The next two you list, ", see the future, sense impending disaster", were called prophetic gifts and were given in the Old Testament. Prophets were given the ability by God to foretell the future. There is some controversy about whether the gift of prophesy given in the New Testament is still active today. I can't answer that one. However, the test of a prophet is pretty steep. God said, (and I paraphrase), "How can you tell if a prophet is telling you things that I have revealed to him? Easy. If they all come to pass, I told him. But if he ever says something is going to happen and it doesn't, he is fake." The bad news was that in the Old Testament, if a guy failed this test, he was to be killed for blasphemy. Nowadays, people like the late Jean Dixon, said that they were prophets. But they were wrong over 50% of the time. Of course, she was right the other times. Where did she get the revelations? If they weren't from God, who gave them to her? As I said, I believe it is (or was) demonic possession.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 12:05:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By clean_cut: So, someone who has these "abilities" must be demonically possessed, then? Are there no godly people who can have these abilities?
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You seem to be asking an honest question, so I will give an honest answer. The first you listed, "ability to read minds", was never a gift of God to men. One possible exception was Daniel's ability to tell the king what he has dreamed. So, "mind readers" are not serving God. The next two you list, ", see the future, sense impending disaster", were called prophetic gifts and were given in the Old Testament. Prophets were given the ability by God to foretell the future. There is some controversy about whether the gift of prophesy given in the New Testament is still active today. I can't answer that one. However, the test of a prophet is pretty steep. God said, (and I paraphrase), "How can you tell if a prophet is telling you things that I have revealed to him? Easy. If they all come to pass, I told him. But if he ever says something is going to happen and it doesn't, he is fake." The bad news was that in the Old Testament, if a guy failed this test, he was to be killed for blasphemy. Nowadays, people like the late Jean Dixon, said that they were prophets. But they were wrong over 50% of the time. Of course, she was right the other times. Where did she get the revelations? If they weren't from God, who gave them to her? As I said, I believe it is (or was) demonic possession.
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Joseph also the KIng what his dreams meant
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 12:07:40 PM EDT
I appreciate your reply Old_Painless. Daniel also had the ability to interpret dreams.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 12:16:41 PM EDT
As reconBYfire, indicated, Joseph also interpreted a king's dreams. Daniel, however, had a harder job. King Nebuchadnezzar couldn't remember what he had dreamed and Daniel had to tell him what the dream was about first. He then told him what it meant. But, since Daniel was smart enough not to think he was the one who was supernatural, he said, "(God) giveth wisdom to the wise and knowledge to them that know understanding..." You can read about it in Daniel 2. He also said, "But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets..." There sure is.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 12:18:19 PM EDT
You know those dejavu dreams that almost everyone claims to have? One time I realized I was having a conversation that I was dreaming about as it was happening instead of after and I called my buddy out on what he was about to say. Guess I'm demonic...naa
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 12:29:22 PM EDT
You seem to be very strong in your faith Old_painless. I would be interested in how you came to this point (this is a sincere question - no criticism intended).
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 12:37:50 PM EDT
so the answer from a biblical perspective is yes? so glad to hear it. i believe people can key into subconscious parts of their brain and things that would seem extraordinary to some become common place. take for instance a car on the freeway coming up fast in the passing lane. at the last moment it swerves in front of you across 3 lanes of traffic and exits. someone my say it's "lucky" he didn't hit us. but if you look around while you are driving you see him 1/4 mile back cut someone off, he stabs his break to avoid rear ending someone, flashes his lights and they get out of the passing lane. you see him roar up and try to get over but an 18 wheeler takes the middle lane. he punches it, flips the 18 wheeler off and runs up to cut you off. you expect it and take your foot off the gas. sure enough he takes the exit. it's not a conscious effort to notice your environment and is kind of supernatural only because most of the time people walk around with their thumb up their butts.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 12:40:14 PM EDT
I believe in voodoo!
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 12:41:17 PM EDT
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My mind is not closed to such things, as we have only scratched the surface of all that there is to know. However, I do find these "powers" unlikely. Some people are very perceptive by nature, thus they can pick up on subtle clues, that aren't as obvious to the less perceptive. Thus, some feel that they have marginal psychic abilities, and others believe that to be the case. An obvious analogy is someone who is fantastic at card tricks, like that Blaine guy. He is a master of deception and illusion. We all know this to be the case, but can't help but believe that if he did this back in the 17th century, he'd be burned as a witch. Ergo, humans are easy to fool as we are emotional creatures. Emotion and longing tend to trump logic in some. My personal belief is that not only is Christianity untrue, but there is no deity. Again I'm not entirely closed minded on this topic, but these forces in the "spiritual" context just don't happen. Many things await discovery, but they will have a scientific basis.
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Link Posted: 6/18/2003 1:03:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ilikelegs: I think Mick Jagger knew a woman who could make a dead man cum. She must have been pretty good.
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...Black Magic Woman?
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 1:07:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By clean_cut: You seem to be very strong in your faith Old_painless. I would be interested in how you came to this point (this is a sincere question - no criticism intended).
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Glad you asked. I'm sure some of my friends on this forum will make fun of my answer, but I don't mind. I was just like everyone else on this board at some point in their lives. I was satisfied with my life mostly. But I wondered, "Is this all there is to life?" Life seems so short and pointless sometimes. No matter how you live it, you always end up dead. And 50 years later, no one can even remember who you were. But what if...What if the Bible was actually exactly what it said it was; the actual instruction manual from God? What if He actually wanted us to understand Him so much that He wrote (through men) a book to tell us how to get to know Him? What if He made sure it was correct and perfect in every way so there wouldn't be any mistakes on our part in our understanding? Well, if this was true, I needed to know more about Him and His Book. Long story short, His instructions are pretty simple: 1. All men are sinners. 2. We cannot save ourselves, even if we try. 3. God took the necessary steps to save us. Jesus came and died to pay for our sins. 4. We [u]must[/u] admit that we cannot help ourselves and that only Jesus can save us. 5. Salvation is a free gift that God gives those that ask. We can't earn it by any works or by living good lives. 6. We can have this free gift by just asking for it. I could give you scripture references for each of those steps, and will if you ask me. Bottom line, you ask How I got to this point. I asked Him to save me. I admitted my sin and my inability to save myself. I made no excuses for my failures. [b]He saved me.[/b] As I type those last three words, tears flow down my cheeks. I don't understand why He did it. I don't deserve it. But He did. And He will do the same for any one of you. "Oh how I love Thy Word, it is my meditation all the day long."
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 1:15:42 PM EDT
Just remember that Jesus raised Lazarus. He also said each of us can do far greater things. I'm not sure what that means, but I think it leaves the door open to what we can do through the grace of God.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 1:18:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Old_Painless: I'm sure some of my friends on this forum will make fun of my answer, but I don't mind.
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[nana]
Life seems so short and pointless sometimes. No matter how you live it, you always end up dead. And 50 years later, no one can even remember who you were.
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This is a very important paragraph. Humans have the excess brainpower to ponder such issues. Unfortunately, the truthful answer is pretty depressing. Thus enters the desire for immortality. A method for achieving immortality in one form or another is provided in just about every culture. It becomes quite central to the culture itself. I'm not saying the desire for immortality is the only catalyst of religion, but it is probably the strongest motivator for believers.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 1:21:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Originally Posted By Old_Painless: I'm sure some of my friends on this forum will make fun of my answer, but I don't mind.
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[nana]
Life seems so short and pointless sometimes. No matter how you live it, you always end up dead. And 50 years later, no one can even remember who you were.
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This is a very important paragraph. Humans have the excess brainpower to ponder such issues. Unfortunately, the truthful answer is pretty depressing. Thus enters the desire for immortality. A method for achieving immortality in one form or another is provided in just about every culture. It becomes quite central to the culture itself. I'm not saying the desire for immortality is the only catalyst of religion, but it is probably the strongest motivator for believers.
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Interesting post...
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 1:28:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Old_Painless: As an Evangelical Christian, I believe in God's supernatural power.
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Not Evangelical, in my case, but agree with you 100%.
However, all other cases, such as you listed, are either fakes or demonic possession.
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May I respectfully submit that such cases, if real, may also be gifts from God to use for His purposes? Not a flame, just a thought. God bless.... Edited to (quickly) add: Damn it! This is what happens when you post before reading the whole darn thread! I would caution you, Painless, not to discount out of hand any real occurrence you may run across. Do not pretend to tell God what He can or cannot do, just because one book or another has been written. If He wants to give your child clairvoiance, thank Him for the gift and teach him/her to use it wisely!
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Link Posted: 6/18/2003 1:34:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Jarhead_22: I have no supernatural powers, but I am a catalyst, a nexus point for the supernatural. When I drop toast, it always lands buttered-side up. My hair gel never clumps. My laptop does not crash or lock up in the BSOD. No matter how hot it is, pizza cheese does not burn the roof of my mouth, or of those around me, leaving that little piece of skin hanging down. I can always get a printer to print just one more page, no matter how long the "replace toner cartridge" light has been flashing. I don't know how to explain it. I don't even try. "Say you're thinkin' about a plate of shrimp, and all of a sudden somebody says 'plate' or 'shrimp' or 'plate of shrimp,' just like that, out of the blue. No explanation. No point in lookin' for one either."
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Strong with you, the Force is.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 1:48:29 PM EDT
supernatural powers definitely exist. the question, really, is where they come from and who you are serving with them, like Old_Painless said. of the ones you listed, I'd agree with Old_Painless that reading minds is primarily the realm of the demonic. God does grant gifts of discernment, where you might be able to determine intent or whether or not someone's lying, etc, but that's different from reading minds. Seeing the future ... depends. Prophecy is often less than predicting the future and much more speaking the Word of God, whether to a person or a group of people or in general. Sometimes it's about the future, sometimes the present (just look at the Old and New Testament, when it shows up). I think the big difference between Godly and demonic powers, when it comes to stuff that seems "good" like healing or prophecy, etc, is *how* you came about it. did you heal this person, or were you used to heal this person? did you sense the future, or was it revealed to you what was to come?
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 2:18:36 PM EDT
Yeah, I thought I was clairvoyant once..... Yeah, it was at Caesar’s in Vegas. I had just flown in and walked into the casino. I approached the first roulette table I saw and threw a $100 bill down on Black. Wheel Spins comes up Black cool! I let the $200 ride... Wheel Spins comes up Black cool! I let the $400 ride... Wheel Spins comes up Black again! Cool! scratching head nahhhh.... I move the $800 to Red. Wheel Spins comes up Red cool!!!!! I let the $1,600 ride... Wheel Spins....ooooops!... turns out I'm not clairvoyant... --RR
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 2:20:16 PM EDT
Somebody in the Old Testament, I can't remember who, went to a medium to call up the ghost of, um, Elijah? (Old Painless can fill in the blanks I'm sure) She did indeed call up Elijah's (?) ghost, and he (the ghost) was pissed, at the sacrilege. So anyway, IF you believe in the Bible, you must believe in ghosts and the ability of some people to conjure them up. The Bible also talks about "those who practice magic arts" as being hated by God, and of course the Pharoah's magicians did some pretty impressive stuff. As far as mind reading and seeing the future, hell yes, there are those who can do it to an extent and NO, I don't think it makes them Satanic. The ability would be a gift from God, and how it was used would determine the person's salvation or lack thereof. We've all seen some strange things - I know I have - and even if I traveled the world for a hundred years, I still wouldn't have seen much ... y'know? Look at it this way: There are over eight billion people alive in the world today. If only one person in a million has some sort of "supernatural" ability, that means over eight thousand people in the world would have this ability. Just my dumbass opinion, hope I didn't offend anyone. God rules. I have seen miracles with my own eyes, and I don't give a rat's ass who believes me or not. I'm just not holy enough to call my myself "born-again" or anything like that, 'cause I WILL be judged someday and I WON'T be judged a hypocrite. Okay, I'll shut up now ...
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 2:34:13 PM EDT
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Well, dixiedawg, that's a pretty good memory! You almost got it all right. The story is about the Witch of Endor. Samuel, before his death, had warned King Saul that, because of his disobebeance, God would forsake him. After Samuel dies, Saul goes secretly to the Witch of Endor and asks if she will call up Samuel from the dead so he can ask Samuel some questions. Now the witch often called up "spirits of the dead", but she knew that they were in reality demons. So she calls up her usual demon to pretend he is Samuel, but the real Samuel shows up instead. She is so frightened, she screams and almost faints. She then turns to Saul and says, look what you made me do! Samuel warned Saul that by visiting a medium, Saul had ripped his drawers (so to speak). Read about it in the book of 1 Samuel Chapter 28. God didn't have any patience with those that dealt with mediums. He still doesn't. Stay away from mediums and witches. I'm not kiddin'. A kindly word of warning from Old-Painless.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 2:44:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By clean_cut: That a person can possess certain abilities beyond the physical - ability to read minds, see the future, sense impending disaster...etc
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I have not seen much evidence that any such capabilities exist. I accept the possiblity in abstract, but I do not think it is likely.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 3:05:29 PM EDT
clean_cut, if you will allow me to do a slight hijack, I'd like to answer a point by my old buddy, Zaphod.
Zaphod said: I would caution you, Painless, not to discount out of hand any real occurrence you may run across. Do not pretend to tell God what He can or cannot do, just because one book or another has been written. If He wants to give your child clairvoiance, thank Him for the gift and teach him/her to use it wisely!
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I agree. You will notice I said, "There is some controversy about whether the gift of prophesy given in the New Testament is still active today. I can't answer that one." My point was that there is a question as to whether God is [u]using[/u] prophets today. Not whether He [u]can[/u] use them. He is the Sovereign God of the Universe and can do whatsoever He pleases (that does not conflict with His perfection). As our brother voilsb correctly points out, "Prophecy is often less than predicting the future and much more speaking the Word of God, whether to a person or a group of people or in general. Sometimes it's about the future, sometimes the present (just look at the Old and New Testament, when it shows up)." That is still done every day in God's church. We can weigh these "prophecies" by comparing them to scripture; if they are in agreement, listen to them. If they are in conflict with scripture, ignore them. Thanks for the opportunity for an interesting discussion, clean_cut.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 3:17:21 PM EDT
Carry on painless, well done!! [snoopy]
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 3:21:23 PM EDT
Everyone with telekinetic powers, raise my hand. There's an excellent article on this topic (in a general way) entitled [i][url=www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000051.html]Magic[/url][/i]. Good read.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 3:57:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By KBaker: Everyone with telekinetic powers, raise my hand.
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[lol] I'll probably check out that link. and to everyone else, I'm quite glad this thread hasn't turned into a spitting match, like too many religious/spritual/faith based threads do. w00t!
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 8:25:01 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 8:38:45 PM EDT
I dunno if this would be supernatural, but when I eat lasagna and wash it down with chocolate milk, I soon develop the power to drive people away.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 8:42:20 PM EDT
Yes I do. Furthermore I believe we all have some ability outside the 5 normal senses. I for one have experienced some weird things. I belive also that children have better abilities at this than adults.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 8:50:47 PM EDT
One example: When I was younger I had a dream my brother cut himself badly at work. The dream woke me up around 11:00 that night. I remember looking at the clock. It seemed so real I had a hard time going back to sleep. The next morning I learned that that night at around 11:00 he cut his thumb real bad with a box cutter at work and needed stitches. Yeah. It happens.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 9:21:45 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 9:28:41 PM EDT
Look kid, I've been all over this galaxy and I've seen a lot a strange stuff, but I've never seen anything that makes me believe there is some all powerful force controlling my destiny.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 10:05:28 PM EDT
On Christiantity and the Supernatural: Supernatural powers DO exist. There are 2 'root' sources: God and Satan (with their attending forces (angels/demons)), and there are also (of course) con-artists who pretend to have supernatural gifts. God has been known to give people the power to perform miracles (heal the sick, etc), the ability to predict future events (prophecy), and so on... The Bible is filled with examples, from Moses, to Solomon's wisdom, to the OT prophets, to the ability to speak to a crowd and have everyone hear in their own language, to the apostle Paul healing the sick and surviving an 'incurable' snakebite. I'm not counting Jesus in here since God is by nature supernatural... I'm rather referring to instances of God bestowing abilities on otherwise-normal humans so that they could do his work... In most biblical examples, 'mind readers', 'diviners', mediums, fortune tellers, and others we'd call 'Psychics' today are in the last 2 categories (posessed or pretending), however...
Link Posted: 6/19/2003 4:42:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Jarhead_22: Mac: My father told me that my grandmother got the family together and got them all saying the Rosary one day when they were all little, saying their father was in trouble. A few days later she got the telegram informing her that his B26 had been shot down over occupied France, and that he and the rest of the crew were MIA.
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This is where human emotion steps into the picture. How many others had similar 'premonitions' that simply passed. How many wives got some cold shivers and just 'knew' their husband was killed, only to be rewarded with the sound of his voice later. MANY! These little premonitions happen all the time, to everyone. They range from a passing thought to being strong enough to have a physical impact (goose bumps, etc...). Just about all of the time they are false. When even slightly true, people give themselves credit as some time of seer. When untrue, people simply discredit them as passing thoughts or dreams, and don't even acknowledge they occured. Strange that they don't keep a talley of how many times they were correct, and how many times they were incorrect. Hmm, I wonder, perhaps it's because people desire to have such abilities (not to mention the desire for them to exist period) so they use the most marginal of supporting evidence to make such claims. Bottom line, people see what they want to see, and believe what they want to believe. The dominant word here is FAITH. If you have it, you will subconciously use all means to support whatever you believe.
Link Posted: 6/19/2003 5:03:10 AM EDT
So what about this "John Edwards" guy ??? Is he a total fraud ? or does he have supernatural powers ? If he's a fraud, he's a damn good one...
Link Posted: 6/19/2003 5:38:51 AM EDT
BEDEVERE: What makes you think she is a witch? VILLAGER #3: Well, she turned me into a newt. BEDEVERE: A newt? VILLAGER #3: I got better. -------------------------------------- BEDEVERE: Tell me. What do you do with witches? VILLAGER #2: Burn! VILLAGER #1: Burn! CROWD: Burn! Burn them up! Burn!... BEDEVERE: And what do you burn apart from witches? VILLAGER #1: More witches! VILLAGER #3: Shh! VILLAGER #2: Wood! BEDEVERE: So, why do witches burn? [pause] VILLAGER #3: B--... 'cause they're made of... wood? BEDEVERE: Good! Heh heh. CROWD: Oh, yeah. Oh. BEDEVERE: So, how do we tell whether she is made of wood? VILLAGER #1: Build a bridge out of her. BEDEVERE: Ah, but can you not also make bridges out of stone? VILLAGER #1: Oh, yeah. RANDOM: Oh, yeah. True. Uhh... BEDEVERE: Does wood sink in water? VILLAGER #1: No. No. VILLAGER #2: No, it floats! It floats! VILLAGER #1: Throw her into the pond! CROWD: The pond! Throw her into the pond! BEDEVERE: What also floats in water? VILLAGER #1: Bread! VILLAGER #2: Apples! VILLAGER #3: Uh, very small rocks! VILLAGER #1: Cider! VILLAGER #2: Uh, gra-- gravy! VILLAGER #1: Cherries! VILLAGER #2: Mud! VILLAGER #3: Uh, churches! Churches! VILLAGER #2: Lead! Lead! ARTHUR: A duck! CROWD: Oooh. BEDEVERE: Exactly. So, logically... VILLAGER #1: If... she... weighs... the same as a duck,... she's made of wood. BEDEVERE: And therefore? VILLAGER #2: A witch! VILLAGER #1: A witch! CROWD: A witch! A witch!...
Link Posted: 6/19/2003 5:43:21 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Old_Painless: clean_cut, if you will allow me to do a slight hijack, I'd like to answer a point by my old buddy, Zaphod.
Zaphod said: I would caution you, Painless, not to discount out of hand any real occurrence you may run across. Do not pretend to tell God what He can or cannot do, just because one book or another has been written. If He wants to give your child clairvoiance, thank Him for the gift and teach him/her to use it wisely!
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I agree. You will notice I said, "There is some controversy about whether the gift of prophesy given in the New Testament is still active today. I can't answer that one." My point was that there is a question as to whether God is [u]using[/u] prophets today. Not whether He [u]can[/u] use them. He is the Sovereign God of the Universe and can do whatsoever He pleases (that does not conflict with His perfection). As our brother voilsb correctly points out, "Prophecy is often less than predicting the future and much more speaking the Word of God, whether to a person or a group of people or in general. Sometimes it's about the future, sometimes the present (just look at the Old and New Testament, when it shows up)." That is still done every day in God's church. We can weigh these "prophecies" by comparing them to scripture; if they are in agreement, listen to them. If they are in conflict with scripture, ignore them. Thanks for the opportunity for an interesting discussion, clean_cut.
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Fair enough. I was simply responding to what I perceived to be a knee-jerk reaction (i.e. - automatically equating a "gift" with the Bad Guy). Apparently I was mistaken. I didn't think you'd challenge the Lord on His methods! [:D] BTW, when you say "He is the Sovereign God of the Universe and can do whatsoever He pleases (that does not conflict with His perfection)", I would answer that ANYTHING he does IS perfection, whether it meats our sorry standards for perfection or paradox. I'm certain you'll agree. Thanks for the clarification and general discussion. God bless....
Link Posted: 6/19/2003 6:09:37 AM EDT
Luke...Luke
Link Posted: 6/19/2003 6:33:41 AM EDT
The other day I was walking along, minding my own business, when someone ran up and snatched my ruby lensed glasses... man I was tearing stuff up with my eyes before I finally closed my eyelids. What a mess!! [;)]
Link Posted: 6/19/2003 9:41:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By clean_cut: That a person can possess certain abilities beyond the physical - ability to read minds, see the future, sense impending disaster...etc
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There's an alternativre theory on my mind. It is a proven fact that on the average, Humans only use 3% of thier brains. Would it be possible that what is usually thought of as "supernatural" could just be some humans somehow can tap into a part of the other 97%?
Link Posted: 6/20/2003 1:36:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Ka_Bar_Fan:
Originally Posted By clean_cut: That a person can possess certain abilities beyond the physical - ability to read minds, see the future, sense impending disaster...etc
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There's an alternativre theory on my mind. It is a proven fact that on the average, Humans only use 3% of thier brains. Would it be possible that what is usually thought of as "supernatural" could just be some humans somehow can tap into a part of the other 97%?
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IInteresting theory. So, if applied to the Bible, all those prophets of God who had special cognitive abilities were individuals who were able to tap into their brain's "full potential" - and not to leave God out, I'd say it was God who allowed them to do that. ??
Link Posted: 6/20/2003 2:00:38 PM EDT
What about Nostradamus from what I've heard alot of what he predicted was correct.
Link Posted: 6/20/2003 2:02:59 PM EDT
You were doing so well, clean_cut. Then along comes the dark side and your off again.[:D] That "fact" about only using 3% of our brains? Exactly how did they measure that little factoid? Although, reading some folks posts, I'm sometimes inclined to agree. Nope, if you were to talk to an Old Testament prophet, they would tell you that it was [u]ALL[/u] God, and none of their skills involved. Just like Daniel, they would be quick to say that God did it all. He graciously used these men, but not because He needed their talents or wisdom. For some reason we don't understand, He just does that. And He still does it today.
Link Posted: 6/20/2003 2:07:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Jess13: What about Nostradamus from what I've heard alot of what he predicted was correct.
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There is some controversy about exactly how accurate Nostradamus was. Some writers say it takes a lot of "reading into" to get anything out of his stuff. But the important thing is that he was "sometimes" correct. Like I said earlier, God said if a prophet ever was wrong, even once, he was not speaking prophecies from God and therefore should be stoned to death. Old Nostradamus wouldn't have lasted long in the Old Testament.
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