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Posted: 9/7/2010 12:51:51 PM EDT
http://abcnews.go.com/US/terry-jones-pastor-burn-koran-day/story?id=11575665


Who Is Terry Jones? Pastor Behind 'Burn a Koran Day'
Controversial Florida Pastor Preaches 'Islam Is of the Devil'



Like the prophets of old, Terry Jones has a message –– and it's fiery.

The controversial Florida preacher, who first lit a spark on Facebook when he called for people around the world to set fire to copies of the Koran, is now at the center of an international conflagration.

Jones' plan to set ablaze thousands of copies of the Muslim holy book on Sept. 11, a day he's dubbed International Burn a Koran Day, has become a flashpoint. What has been seen for weeks as a strange front in the culture wars, this weekend became a front in America's real war, with Gen. David Patraeus weighing in to say he believed the display would be detrimental and dangerous to U.S. troops fighting in Afghanistan.

Jones recently told ABC News he and his flock would continue "to pray" on whether they would follow through with the bonfire, but suggested they would indeed burn the books on Sept.11.

Watch Terry Moran's interview with Terry Jones on "Nightline" tonight at 11:35 p.m. ET

Jones, 58, is perhaps the unlikely face of what's become a small but international movement that preys on growing hostility and uneasiness in the lead up this year's 9/11 anniversary of the U.S. terrorist attacks.

A former hotel manager, Jones, who worked as a missionary in Europe for 30 years, took over as head of the Dove World Outreach Center, a fundamentalist Christian church in Gainesville, Fla., in 1996.

He is often seen on the church's 20-acre compound with a pistol strapped to his hip.

A fan of Mel Gibson's "Braveheart" –– a poster adorns his office walls at the church –– Jones launched an online video series called the "Braveheart Show," which he uses to preach anti-Islamic sermons to an audience larger than the 50 families who belong to the church.

Jones is the author of "Islam Is of the Devil." That phrase also adorns several billboards on his church's property. Jones said he first began using the phrase last year but since 2002 has marked 9/11 with sermons about Islam and the dangers he believes are inherent in the faith.

In August 2009, two children, a 10-year-old and a 15-year-old, who belong to Jones' church, were sent to school wearing T-shirts that read "Islam Is of the Devil." They were sent home for dress code violations.

According to the Gainesville Sun, Alachua County officials revoked part of the church's tax-exempt status earlier this year, saying portions of the 20-acre campus are used in for-profit businesses. The property is valued at more than $1.6 million, but the 1,700-square-foot taxable portion is worth only $135,000, according to the Gainsville Sun.

A rumor circulated on the Internet and by several media outlets that Jones was convicted on child pornography charges, but it proved untrue.

Jones' bank, he has said, recently demanded repayment of the $140,000 balance on the church's mortgage.

As of Sept. 7, 8,663 people had become fans of the International Burn a Koran Day page on Facebook.

Jones believes Islam promotes violence and that Muslims want to impose sharia law in the United States.

Jones previously told ABCNews.com that he planned to burn "a few hundred Korans" in a bonfire on church property. He's expecting a crowd of "several hundred" but believes others will burn the books on their own.


Link Posted: 9/7/2010 12:55:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2010 12:57:26 PM EDT by randomhero97]
So, the dude is certifiable. It's his right to be certifiable.

Terry Jones. Hmm, I wonder if there is any relation to the good reverend Jim Jones?

Sounds like he is not using the pulpit to teach about Jesus Christ himself, though. Not going to win over any apostates like that.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 12:56:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By randomhero97:
So, the dude is certifiable. It's his right to be certifiable.

Terry Jones. Hmm, I wonder if there is any relation to the good reverend Jim Jones?


I was thinking Terry Jones from Monty Python.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 12:56:50 PM EDT
I don't really care who he is...

This is America and we'll burn whatever the fuck we want.

Link Posted: 9/7/2010 12:58:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By gonzo_beyondo:
I don't really care who he is...

This is America and we'll burn whatever the fuck we want.




Hells yeah. Just like when either Detroit, Chicago, or New York wins the NBA finals.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 1:01:03 PM EDT
You think the same people would give a shit if he was going to burn some Bibles? American Flags? Copies of the Constitution?
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 1:03:58 PM EDT
Let him burn what he wants. Fuck anybody that doesn't like it. Especially people that want to build a mosque on ground zero.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 1:04:53 PM EDT
Sigh! Fred Phelps (Westboro nutjob) get 1st Ammendment protection, but Terry Jones cannot... I'm not saying that what he is doing is right, but if the Westboro Nuts can use their 1st Ammendment right to say that our sacred war dead died for gay and deserved to die, then I believe that Jones can burn all the Qurans he wants.

SO what if the Muslims get bent and burn US flags and chant "Death To America"? Like they need yet another excuse to do it anyways.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 1:08:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Taboot:
You think the same people would give a shit if he was going to burn some Bibles? American Flags? Copies of the Constitution?

The funny thing is that MOST people would support his right to do that. Me included.


Link Posted: 9/7/2010 1:09:16 PM EDT
It's funny (funny pathetic, not funny ha-ha) that all of a sudden the lamestream media is worried about someone burning something. When "citizenss" are burning the American Flag, they are all about the freedom of expression. Burning draft cards, all for it. Burning bras.....ok, I'm for that one , too. All of a sudden they are concerned about somebody being offended. How about the Crucifix in a jar of urine? Did anybody get beheaded over that one? How about being burned, dragged through the dusty streets and hung from a bridge?
The Mother Mary covered in elephant dung? You get the idea....
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 1:10:46 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Black-Tiger:
Sigh! Fred Phelps (Westboro nutjob) get 1st Ammendment protection, but Terry Jones cannot... I'm not saying that what he is doing is right, but if the Westboro Nuts can use their 1st Ammendment right to say that our sacred war dead died for gay and deserved to die, then I believe that Jones can burn all the Qurans he wants.

SO what if the Muslims get bent and burn US flags and chant "Death To America"? Like they need yet another excuse to do it anyways.


people have been burning flags across this country for a while now... don't agree with it, but it is protected.

Link Posted: 9/7/2010 1:12:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By gonzo_beyondo:
I don't really care who he is...

This is America and we'll burn whatever the fuck we want.


bing bing bing , It does not matter if the guys a nut case , media whore , or pedo bear bible thumping cross dresser , in america we have our rights , and the sharia law lovers can get fucked if they have a proublem with that !

just like the black panther can talk about killing whitey , or the nazis talk about killing jews , or what ever BS group is out there pushing there agenda . As much out of the main stream as these and many more groups are I would NEVER take away there rights to voice there opinion no matter how fucked up i think it is . The day we start to censor 1 group because we think they are over the top , is the day we start down that slippery slope to censorship , and that the day we as a country truly will have died IMHO




Link Posted: 9/7/2010 1:13:37 PM EDT
I like the "outreach" part of his church's name. Seems fitting...
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 1:19:04 PM EDT
Oh NO!

So what, if he burns some books.

I watched the video on the link. The news lady was all concerned about retaliation against the troops saying, "there have already been attacks against troops, hurling rocks at military vehicles."

I'd rather have the terrorizers throwing rocks than RPG's.

And since when does one of these raghead militants care about Americans when they are be-heading one or burning an American flag?

F them! I'm so sick of their double standard bullshit.


Link Posted: 9/7/2010 1:21:01 PM EDT
Since when did the media and the left suddenly start caring about the troops? After all, weren't these the same clowns who FILMED an Al Qaeda squad setting up an ambush against Americans and said/did nothing?
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 1:24:34 PM EDT
Note that the idea here is that the Muslims can't handle this, and will behave badly. Are they not the religion of peace?
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 1:27:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AZgunnut1:
It's funny (funny pathetic, not funny ha-ha) that all of a sudden the lamestream media is worried about someone burning something. When "citizenss" are burning the American Flag, they are all about the freedom of expression. Burning draft cards, all for it. Burning bras.....ok, I'm for that one , too. All of a sudden they are concerned about somebody being offended. How about the Crucifix in a jar of urine? Did anybody get beheaded over that one? How about being burned, dragged through the dusty streets and hung from a bridge?
The Mother Mary covered in elephant dung? You get the idea....

Yeah, wanna talk about some "art" check out Victoria Van Dyke.

Link Posted: 9/7/2010 1:34:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By carlschmarl2:
Oh NO!

So what, if he burns some books.

I watched the video on the link. The news lady was all concerned about retaliation against the troops saying, "there have already been attacks against troops, hurling rocks at military vehicles."

I'd rather have the terrorizers throwing rocks than RPG's.

And since when does one of these raghead militants care about Americans when they are be-heading one or burning an American flag?

F them! I'm so sick of their double standard bullshit.




It's not the Militants we are worried about, it's the people who are helping/not attacking us that we don't want to change sides.

Of course the Media wont just ignore the book burning, because the Militants wouldn't be able to use this as propaganda if the media didn't tell them about it.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 1:40:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Jonny712:
Originally Posted By carlschmarl2:
Oh NO!

So what, if he burns some books.

I watched the video on the link. The news lady was all concerned about retaliation against the troops saying, "there have already been attacks against troops, hurling rocks at military vehicles."

I'd rather have the terrorizers throwing rocks than RPG's.

And since when does one of these raghead militants care about Americans when they are be-heading one or burning an American flag?

F them! I'm so sick of their double standard bullshit.




It's not the Militants we are worried about, it's the people who are helping/not attacking us that we don't want to change sides.

Of course the Media wont just ignore the book burning, because the Militants wouldn't be able to use this as propaganda if the media didn't tell them about it.


They have all the propaganda they need from Hollywood.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 1:42:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 0ldGuy:Jones believes Islam promotes violence and that Muslims want to impose sharia law in the United States.




Spot-on with that observation.....
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 1:43:14 PM EDT
I think the reverend should put his fucking torch away.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 1:46:46 PM EDT
He's a little fish in a little pond and the media has made him out to be a whale.

He's a Media-Made phenomenon, from AP to ABC to CNN to Al-Jazeera. When's Larry King going to "grill" him.?
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 1:55:46 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 1:59:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By 0ldGuy:

Jones is the author of "Islam Is of the Devil."


That is the standard belief of Christianity.



You know, I'm really not the kind of person that goes out looking for Satan under every rock. Heck, sometimes I question whether he's even really there.

But in THIS case, I'm inclined to agree with you. If by a man's works ye shall know him, Islam is a <COC violation>.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:00:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By freewilly:
Let him burn what he wants. Fuck anybody that doesn't like it. Especially people that want to build a mosque on ground zero.


I have met more than a few guys who have taken an oath to protect and defend his right to be an ass.

At least he's not burning a Bible.

It's funny, we have our media in an uproar about burning a shitty book that says to kill Americans (all infidels) who won't give in to islam.

Not much in the media today about the iranian woman set to get 99 lashes, THEN STONED TO DEATH for some slight against the pedophile loving shaira man.

TXL
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:00:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By 0ldGuy:

Jones is the author of "Islam Is of the Devil."


That is the standard belief of Christianity.



I concur, but he should still put his torch away
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:02:37 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:03:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gonzo_beyondo:
I don't really care who he is...

This is America and we'll burn whatever the fuck we want.


This bears repeating.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:03:27 PM EDT
they hate when you use their own pubilc agenda against them.
Originally Posted By Rick-OShay:
Originally Posted By 0ldGuy:Jones believes Islam promotes violence and that Muslims want to impose sharia law in the United States.




Spot-on with that observation.....


Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:03:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By nightstalker:
He's a little fish in a little pond and the media has made him out to be a whale.

He's a Media-Made phenomenon, from AP to ABC to CNN to Al-Jazeera. When's Larry King going to "grill" him.?

Boy you got that right...

If that dude just did his little bonfire over there, nobody would really be the wiser.

But the media is giving it attention. The media are the ones showing it to the terrorists. The media are the ones putting the troops in harm's way.


And there is nothing fucking new about that, is there Geraldo?


Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:06:11 PM EDT
It's not what I would do - but it doesn't piss me off.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:11:11 PM EDT

just saw a clip of him on FOX. looked like his wife was open carrying and some other guy that was walking into their church was also.


Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:11:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Taboot:
You think the same people would give a shit if he was going to burn some Bibles? American Flags? Copies of the Constitution?


No and that is the way it is supposed to be. Being able to burn those things publicly without fear of retribution is how our country should be. Burning the Qur'an in Kabul or Lahore will get you fucked up because they are fucked up.

I don't give a shit what the guy burns but if he burns the qur'an I hope he has some amazing security. If not he won't see Christmas.

Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:14:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DonS:
Note that the idea here is that the Muslims can't handle this, and will behave badly. Are they not the religion of peace?


I think this ought to be emphasized....the only reason why burning those books is becoming a problem is because people are afraid of the reaction by muslims.

Know what is dangerous to troops?

War is......does that mean we should just call an end to the entire thing and pull 100% of those in uniform out? Of course not.

These monsters hate us....they have hated us....they will continue to hate us.
Burning or not burning their little books isnt going to change anything.....ever.

Know what is dangerous to America?
A policy of appeasement aimed at Islam.

Why?
Because they arent interested in compromise....they are totalitarians...and our culture is in their path.

Like it or not....accept it or not...Islamic culture is contrary to American culture.

I dont think that burning books is a real meaningful act...its a little ignorant actually....but this guy has every right to say what he is saying. If we are going to defend peoples right to burn our flag and preach hate in our streets, you better support the same right for this guy to speak out against Islam.

I wont be burning any books on 9/11, but i wont be shedding any tears for muslims who were offended either. They need to own the accountability for their actions. Their religion isnt a social norm in America.....and despite their desire to force feed it to us, doctrine by force doesnt work.....it just makes people more fearful, more resistant, and more likely fight change.

But hey....we have a white house committed to change.....at least that is what they hope for.

Personally, I think we gain more ground by simply refusing to allow this to be a news story.
People buying into the debate are fueling the story.
Of all the things that American ought to be focused on come 9/11, arent there more pressing matters to attend to?
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:15:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By gonzo_beyondo:

Originally Posted By Taboot:
You think the same people would give a shit if he was going to burn some Bibles? American Flags? Copies of the Constitution?

The funny thing is that MOST people would support his right to do that. Me included.




And that is in part what makes you a US citizen that gets it. We don't have to like it but our rights are glorious and set us apart from the world.

I have to laugh at those here who constantly say we are fucked up etc etc. They obviously haven't traveled much and haven't seen REAL fucked up.

Especially those fools that bash cops here constantly. I have seen cops do shit in Africa, India and other countries that no one would believe.

we as a country are strong and we are amazing and that is why this Obama bullshit will someday pass.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:16:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2010 2:21:50 PM EDT by BadShovelhead]
Originally Posted By Zaphod:
Since when did the media and the left suddenly start caring about the troops? After all, weren't these the same clowns who FILMED an Al Qaeda squad setting up an ambush against Americans and said/did nothing?


The important thing is that WE never forget that the media/left has NEVER been on our side. Let them pretend to care but we all know better.


ETA In general though I am fucking sick of those who worry about offending Muslims. Now I am not for going out and purposefully offending some nice family down the road that is Islamic. But I am so sick of worrying about offending the radicals. Unfortunately it is impossible to offend the militants without offending mom and pops Muslim type that are good people living the American dream.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:18:51 PM EDT
Although I'm against book burning in general, the fact that these muslim douchebags are going to throw a fucking nutty because their religion of peace book is being burned...fuck em.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:22:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DonS:
Note that the idea here is that the Muslims can't handle this, and will behave badly. Are they not the religion of peace?

Michael Medved was discussing this today and referred to Muslims as "ROPOs," or the Religion Of the Perpetually Offended. That pretty well sums it up, for a religion that will burn American flags and riot in the streets at the drop of a hat, and with no provocation at all. They love to hate, period.

Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:27:46 PM EDT
A fan of Mel Gibson's "Braveheart" –– a poster adorns his office walls at the church –– Jones launched an online video series called the "Braveheart Show," which he uses to preach anti-Islamic sermons to an audience larger than the 50 families who belong to the church.


So, basically he's a real life Eric Cartman?
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:29:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By m193:

Originally Posted By gonzo_beyondo:
I don't really care who he is...

This is America and we'll burn whatever the fuck we want.


This bears repeating.


Again.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:32:19 PM EDT
This guy is an attention whore, and an idiot.

Sure, burn whatever you want, its your right, but seriously, just because you can do a thing, does that mean that its necessarily wise to do it?

Firstly, his church's name is World Outreach. Well, you're pretty much writing off your chances of reaching out to Muslims and bringing them to Christ if you're deliberately and vindictively offending them. Generally the better method is to "love you enemies, and love those who persecute you".

Secondly, if he's interested in fighting America's enemies, then he's doing a bang up job of scoring an own goal. He'll go a fair way towards undoing the decade-long hearts and minds campaign we've been waging in the Muslim world for the last decade.

If he just wants to pick a fight (the article says that he's a Braveheart fan), then he's going the right way about it, meaning that he's more interested in playing crusader than evangelist. This leads me back to thinking that he's nothing more than an ego-driven attention whore with little interest in preaching the Gospel and making disciples of all nations. He's a child trying to play in a grownup's world, and he's going to get people killed.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:44:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Lert:


Sure, burn build whatever you want, its your right, but seriously, just because you can do a thing, does that mean that its necessarily wise to do it?


Where have I heard that before? Hmm....
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:52:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2010 2:53:24 PM EDT by 1srelluc]
What is it about so-called religious "leaders" named Jones.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 3:03:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By liberals-R-retarded:
Although I'm against book burning in general, the fact that these muslim douchebags are going to throw a fucking nutty because their religion of peace book is being burned...fuck em.



I feel the same way. I think its stupid but I am having a hard time giving a fuck about this either way.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 3:04:46 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 1srelluc:
What is it about so-called religious "leaders" named Jones.


I often wonder why it's always the weirdos that seem to become religious leaders.

Koresh
Jones (both of them)
Khomeni
Sharpton
Jackson
Farakhan

etc., etc....
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 3:27:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Taboot:
You think the same people would give a shit if he was going to burn some Bibles? American Flags? Copies of the Constitution?


This.

No they would not.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 3:37:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 0ldGuy:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/terry-jones-pastor-burn-koran-day/story?id=11575665

He is often seen on the church's 20-acre compound with a pistol strapped to his hip.




given that he just pissed off all of the radical religion of peace elements, and might reasonably expect a peaceful response from them, this seems perfectly reasonable.

Link Posted: 9/7/2010 4:44:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AZgunnut1:
It's funny (funny pathetic, not funny ha-ha) that all of a sudden the lamestream media is worried about someone burning something. When "citizenss" are burning the American Flag, they are all about the freedom of expression. Burning draft cards, all for it. Burning bras.....ok, I'm for that one , too. All of a sudden they are concerned about somebody being offended. How about the Crucifix in a jar of urine? Did anybody get beheaded over that one? How about being burned, dragged through the dusty streets and hung from a bridge?
The Mother Mary covered in elephant dung? You get the idea....

Well it is because Christians don't go out and murder people that do these things and Muslims do.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 4:50:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DonS:
Note that the idea here is that the Muslims can't handle this, and will behave badly. Are they not the religion of peace?


I think this is the nail being hit on the head. If nothing else it has shown that the "ROP" is a one-way street. They demand tolerance and understanding of everyone else without any of the same towards the rest of the world. For a "ROP" they sure have their panties in a wad and start talking about killing people at the drop of a hat.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 4:51:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By 0ldGuy:

Jones is the author of "Islam Is of the Devil."


That is the standard belief of Christianity.


OldGuy - Uh, Did Jones author The Bible?

Link Posted: 9/9/2010 5:18:28 AM EDT
Originally Posted By JaxShooter:
Originally Posted By DonS:
Note that the idea here is that the Muslims can't handle this, and will behave badly. Are they not the religion of peace?


I think this is the nail being hit on the head. If nothing else it has shown that the "ROP" is a one-way street. They demand tolerance and understanding of everyone else without any of the same towards the rest of the world. For a "ROP" they sure have their panties in a wad and start talking about killing people at the drop of a hat.


Good point but.............. a minister shouldn't be the one doing this.
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