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Posted: 8/26/2004 4:03:45 AM EST

11:59 p.m. August 24, 2004

ANNAPOLIS, Md. – Having survived what must have been a harrowing Atlantic crossing, the 98 Gambians brought by Lord Ligonier into the narrow harbor at this small colonial capital in 1767 were sold into slavery.

One of those slaves, Kunta Kinte, is memorialized at Annapolis' City Dock and in Alex Haley's book and television series "Roots." Now Kinte's story is drawing an international group to Annapolis for a dramatic event meant to shock people into talking and thinking about the history of traffic in human beings.

A group of African and European Christians will evoke the slave trade in 10 U.S. cities this fall, starting in Annapolis. White marchers will wear chains on their hands and yokes on their necks while being escorted by black people, and everyone will wear T-shirts with a message of apology.

The Lifeline Expedition is an effort to bring "reconciliation" and "healing" in Africa, Europe and North America through symbols of penitence, organizers said.

"I believe that it helps, or potentially it helps, white people to think in a different way," said David Pott, who started the London-based organization to "reverse the damage" of the slave trade. It has held similar demonstrations in European cities linked to the 18th and 19th-century industry.

"We're not divisive in saying, 'Here's black, here's white,'" he said. "We're saying, 'We are brothers and sisters in our common humanity.'"

But in Annapolis, some people are uneasy about remembering a link to slavery and the march plans have attracted attention from a neo-Nazi group.

The City Council voted 7-2 to waive the estimated cost of $2,000 for police services and roadblocks for the walk from the water's edge through the historic city to a statue of Thurgood Marshall, the first black U.S. Supreme Court justice.

But Mayor Ellen O. Moyer said she opposed the waiver because it was too early to know how large the Sept. 29 event will be and how much it will cost the city. Moyer, who is white, also disagrees with Lifeline Expedition's tactics, although she said she supports any group's right to demonstrate.

"I think it's a private matter," Moyer said. "The way that we all choose to reconcile issues that deal with man's inhumanity to man is private." Some people choose "good works, unheralded" to express concern for injustices of the past, she noted, and the city has had local groups that offered a dialogue on race relations.

The Kunta Kinte-Alex Haley Foundation is the local sponsor for the walk, working to raise $75,000 with organizers in Europe to pay for travel and event costs for between 14 and 20 demonstrators.

Foundation President Leonard Blackshear, who is black, said he shares a mission with Lifeline Expedition.

"Racism is a cancer eating away at the American soul," he said. "This activity is simply one type of chemotherapy that we are looking to apply to the cancer because we believe the patient can and wants to be healed."

Blackshear is looking for local volunteers to take part in the event and said local churches have signed on to help.

Moyer said the city had received inquiries from potential counter-protesters and she's apprehensive about keeping the event positive.

Pott acknowledges that staging such a demonstration in a U.S. city may bring a harsh reaction and said he is praying that things go smoothly.

The neo-Nazi National Alliance, based in Hillsboro, W.Va., wants Annapolis residents to protest the march. The group left 1,500 fliers last weekend at homes all over city, urging people to "Say No to White Guilt" and object to the city's waiver of expenses.

Rather than promoting healing, the event takes slavery and "rubs it in the faces of white people and says they're guilty of something," said Shaun Walker of the National Alliance. He said the group has not decided whether to attend the demonstration.

Lifeline Expedition also plans to walk through the streets of Baltimore; Boston; Charleston, S.C.; New York; Richmond, Va., and several other cities.

Carol Palmer volunteered to walk in chains in Richmond, where she is helping to coordinate the U.S. tour.

"A huge part of the tragedy of what happened years ago is that it was supported by Christians," said Palmer, who works for a missionary organization called Youth With A Mission. "As Christians, we're asking for forgiveness because we were in the wrong."



Associated Press writer Gretchen Parker contributed to this report.


Link Posted: 8/26/2004 4:27:34 AM EST
Having been through college and acquired two liberal arts degrees, in retrospect, I could have saved myself a lot of time, money and trouble by just learning these two precepts before I went in:

1) Capitalism is the root of ALL the world's evils.

2) The white man is the Devil.

They were the underpinnings for my education, and ever since, I've spent my life in the real world, unlearning them.

Link Posted: 8/26/2004 4:28:21 AM EST
WTF??
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 4:31:54 AM EST
What self loathing, pathetic people. Somebody grew up a tad too comfortably, don't ya think?
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 4:47:16 AM EST
African Americans need to talk to Jews about slavery. It might put this subject in its place.

IBTL.

Link Posted: 8/26/2004 4:50:28 AM EST
Who cares.
I have never owned anybody.
My father never owned anybody.
Nor his father.
In fact when my family came to this country WE were the slaves. (Surfs)
Where the fuck are MY reperations?
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 5:06:50 AM EST

Originally Posted By HellioN:
Who cares.
I have never owned anybody.
My father never owned anybody.
Nor his father.
In fact when my family came to this country WE were the slaves. (Surfs)
Where the fuck are MY reperations?



+1
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 5:11:29 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/26/2004 5:12:13 AM EST by Aimless]
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 5:20:23 AM EST
My ancestors owned some slaves. I'm not going to apologize to anyone for it. I never owned a slave, nor did anyone I have ever met. In fact, there is not a single living person who was an American slave, or an American slave owner. I would be shocked it there was anybody alive that had a parent who was a slave, or a slave owner. Within a few years there won't even be anyone alive that ever met a slave or slave owner. The idea that we would give reparations to black people because of slavery is ridiculous. They are born in America with the same opportunity as anyone else. They are free to leave this country at any time. The rest should be up to them.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 5:20:52 AM EST
Well, I have a number of anccsestors he fought for the Union, so I don't feel guilty about slavery at all.

Imagine how different thsi country would be today if there had been no slavery......
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 5:22:05 AM EST
So how much for a young white woman with big hooters??


SGtar15
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 5:24:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By samsi:

Originally Posted By HellioN:
Who cares.
I have never owned anybody.
My father never owned anybody.
Nor his father.
In fact when my family came to this country WE were the slaves. (Surfs)
Where the fuck are MY reperations?



+1



+1
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 5:39:01 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 5:46:59 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 5:53:12 AM EST
Proud to say my Great Grandparents were part of the underground railroad.

[Austin Powers] You know, that old chesnut. [/Austin Powers]


Semper Fi
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 5:53:28 AM EST
Half measures will not work! These people need to finish their parades by allowing themselves to be lynched!

Fu(ktards.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 5:55:21 AM EST

Originally Posted By Clay-More:

Originally Posted By TimJ:
Well, I have a number of anccsestors he fought for the Union, so I don't feel guilty about slavery at all.

Imagine how different thsi country would be today if there had been no slavery......



America probably would not exist as "this country." It was cotton and tobacco that funded America's fight for independence from England, and neither industry would've been possible without slave (free) labor.



If they had abolished slavery at the Constitutional Convention. Before that we were a colony.

Of course, it would have been cheaper to BUY all the slaves at market price from the South and free them than to fight the Civil War, too.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 6:00:20 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 6:13:19 AM EST
The Roman's are documented to have had slaves. One theory says that the Egyptians used slaves to build the pyramids. I have read that Africans still have slaves(in Africa). There are slaves in Asian countries. This country officially disapproves of Slavery. Why are they protesting over here when we officially did away with Slavery about 150 years ago?
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 6:17:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By EdAvilaSr:
These threads have a tendency to degenerate quickly,so please PROVE me wrong and keep it civil.



Sorry Ed,

Fat fuck'n chance since there are still some morons who belive the War of Northern Aggression was fought for the sole purpose of ending slavery.

Link Posted: 8/26/2004 6:19:06 AM EST

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
So how much for a young white woman with big hooters??


SGtar15



Sage,

Despite the appeal of such a woman, I'll have to caution you about making that kind of statement.

There is slavery going on today. Yes, some of it here in the USA. They call it "Human Trafficking" and is a form of underground slavery where women (and sometimes children) are kidnapped and sold into sexual slavery. It's devestatingly common for women from ex-soviet countries to be sucked into this slavery, but it also happens to vulnerable women in just about any country. I'd explain more, but I'll get depressed if I go farther into it. Please read up on it.

As for these numbskulls who go around wearing chains in mock similitude of slavery, well...whatever floats their boat....
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 6:20:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By DPeacher:

Originally Posted By EdAvilaSr:
These threads have a tendency to degenerate quickly,so please PROVE me wrong and keep it civil.



Sorry Ed,

Fat fuck'n chance since there are still some morons who belive the War of Northern Aggression was fought for the sole purpose of ending slavery.






DPeacher,

Please don't go there.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 6:30:57 AM EST
That's freaking hilarious.

However, I don't think those white folks have gotten enough of their self-absorbed morally superior guilt out of their system - and I suggest they come over to my house, where they can really identify with the slaves' suffering by cutting my lawn, finishing my basement, and doing some body work on my mustang.

I think that would be better "penitence" that holding up traffic in an attention-whoring show.




Quite frankly - if they wanted to do something meaningful, they could go into economically depressed inner cities and help build houses or something. I guess inconveniencing people and getting lots of attention is somehow more "penitent" that actually helping "Habitat for HUmanity" do something worthwhile.

Link Posted: 8/26/2004 6:50:26 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/26/2004 6:50:53 AM EST by Tanker06]

Originally Posted By Happyshooter:
One of those slaves, Kunta Kinte, is memorialized at Annapolis' City Dock and in Alex Haley's book and television series "Roots."



All this hub-bub about a slave that didn't exist, from a man who plagiarized most of the material that
he used to publish "Roots."

But, you'll never see the BBC documentary on this, as PBS is too wrapped up, financially, in the
whole 'Roots' farce, along with Doubleday publishing.

Gotta give the sheeple something to believe in though, I guess......
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 6:58:37 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 7:07:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By Shane333:

Originally Posted By DPeacher:

Originally Posted By EdAvilaSr:
These threads have a tendency to degenerate quickly,so please PROVE me wrong and keep it civil.



Sorry Ed,

Fat fuck'n chance since there are still some morons who belive the War of Northern Aggression was fought for the sole purpose of ending slavery.






DPeacher,

Please don't go there.




Shane, you and I have gone to the mat over this before. Someone else already did go "there".


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Originally Posted By TimJ:
Well, I have a number of anccsestors he fought for the Union, so I don't feel guilty about slavery at all.

Imagine how different thsi country would be today if there had been no slavery......
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Link Posted: 8/26/2004 7:15:05 AM EST
You know what? Even though one of my maternal ancestors (a Frenchie who came here in the early 1700's) did own slaves, I didn't. My parents didn't. Their parents didn't. THEIR parents didn't. And anyway, I didn't, and that's the ONLY thing that matters. Even if Grampa owned a thousand slaves, the thing is, I don't, and I have never taken part in the slave trade.

Which is why I don't need to apologize. Which is why I don't need to pay reparations.

As a side note, while I do believe the Civil War was mainly about the states' rights disagreement, at least a little bit of it was fought about slavery.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 8:18:02 AM EST

Originally Posted By DPeacher:

Originally Posted By Shane333:

Originally Posted By DPeacher:

Originally Posted By EdAvilaSr:
These threads have a tendency to degenerate quickly,so please PROVE me wrong and keep it civil.



Sorry Ed,

Fat fuck'n chance since there are still some morons who belive the War of Northern Aggression was fought for the sole purpose of ending slavery.






DPeacher,

Please don't go there.




Shane, you and I have gone to the mat over this before. Someone else already did go "there".


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally Posted By TimJ:
Well, I have a number of anccsestors he fought for the Union, so I don't feel guilty about slavery at all.

Imagine how different thsi country would be today if there had been no slavery......
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------





Very true.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 8:43:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/26/2004 8:44:25 AM EST by sgtar15]

Originally Posted By Shane333:

Originally Posted By Sgtar15:
So how much for a young white woman with big hooters??


Sgtar15



Sage,

Despite the appeal of such a woman, I'll have to caution you about making that kind of statement.

There is slavery going on today. Yes, some of it here in the USA. They call it "Human Trafficking" and is a form of underground slavery where women (and sometimes children) are kidnapped and sold into sexual slavery. It's devestatingly common for women from ex-soviet countries to be sucked into this slavery, but it also happens to vulnerable women in just about any country.




Anyone ever tell you that you are uptight?


Lighten' up!!!!!!


Sgtar15

PS That applies to the South also...you have Nascar...so relax
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 8:45:12 AM EST
Oh, this is swell. 400 years from now a bunch of black people will have to march through Annapolis wearing golf clothes to make up for helping white people look stupid.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 8:57:51 AM EST

Originally Posted By DOW:
What self loathing, pathetic people. Somebody grew up a tad too comfortably, don't ya think?



a friggin' men, bro..............
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 8:59:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By 95thFoot:
Having been through college and acquired two liberal arts degrees, in retrospect, I could have saved myself a lot of time, money and trouble by just learning these two precepts before I went in:

1) Capitalism is the root of ALL the world's evils.

2) The white man is the Devil.

They were the underpinnings for my education, and ever since, I've spent my life in the real world, unlearning them.




How true!
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 9:03:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
Oh, this is swell. 400 years from now a bunch of black people will have to march through Annapolis wearing golf clothes to make up for helping white people look stupid.





Now, anybody care to quote me on slavery????

Link Posted: 8/26/2004 9:17:36 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/26/2004 9:27:24 AM EST by ArmedAggie]
never mind
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 11:57:06 AM EST
BTT because it is so darn funny
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 12:07:54 PM EST
Those people are going to make complete fools of themselves.

Most of my friends are black, and they would be laughing right along with me.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 12:16:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
Oh, this is swell. 400 years from now a bunch of black people will have to march through Annapolis wearing golf clothes to make up for helping white people look stupid.



Post of the Day!
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 12:24:22 PM EST
My ancestors had slaves til those gawd damn yankees went up and stole them away.
I WANT REPARATIONS!!!!!!


Somehow I don't think I will get a single red cent. *sigh*
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 12:25:25 PM EST
It's been my thought that if people over say 30 years old weren't allowed to say anything about race related crap all race issues would quietly die out.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 12:26:50 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 12:27:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/26/2004 12:33:51 PM EST by BigDozer66]


Are you talking about the knickers or the leisure pants and shirts?

BigDozer66
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 12:31:54 PM EST
With the possible exception of Mao's China, more people died at the hand of Europeans in the 20th century than any other group.

For the effing 'Peans to lecutre us is more than inappropriate, it is revolting.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 12:41:41 PM EST

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
So how much for a young white woman with big hooters??


SGtar15



Well Sarge, last I checked it was $75 for the licence which can be obtained from the County Court House. The fee seems reasonable enough although mine was for one without the big hooters option. AFAIK, it's a flat rate even if you get one loaded with options. But you probably realize it's the "hidden fees" that make it such a large investment!


The OP is so asanine I won't even bother with a response.

Sly
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 12:45:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By sgtar15:

Anyone ever tell you that you are uptight?



Sgtar15



Ummm...yes, but I'm not as bad as I used to be.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 12:46:38 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 12:52:57 PM EST
Liberal white guilt makes me sick. As stated above, many Blacks were slave owners.
The native Americans had slaves. The extortion, oops I mean the activism continues.
As long as you are working for somebody else , you are a facking slave.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 12:54:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By Shane333:

Originally Posted By Sgtar15:

Anyone ever tell you that you are uptight?



Sgtar15



Ummm...yes, but I'm not as bad as I used to be.




Had the enema huh?


Sgtar15
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 12:58:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
So how much for a young white woman with big hooters??


SGtar15



For you, a buck and a quarter. or 3 for $2.00
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 1:03:25 PM EST
I have my reparations money ready.

Let them pry it loose from my cold, dead hands!
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 1:27:01 PM EST
My only question is, will Mrs. Heinz Kerry be marching with the whites in chains or acting like a slave owner with the blacks?
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 1:46:39 PM EST
Good thinking. Let's dredge up an old, painful, divisive issue that no longer directly affects any living person. That will do a lot of good. Dwelling on the past accomplishes nothing. These dumbasses need to stay in Europe where they belong.
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