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Posted: 1/5/2012 9:52:29 PM EDT
Is there ever a time when whistleblowing is not treason?

If you had access to proof of government malfeasance is there ever any condition that you would expose the wrongdoing?

This is not a Bradley Manning thread...his case involves more than that.

It is about the larger issue of whistleblowing in general.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 9:54:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/5/2012 9:55:22 PM EDT by dskeet]
It's not always treason. Really depends on the issue and how you go about exposing it.

Exposing what was going on at Abu Gharib (or whatever it's called) was whistleblowing that wasn't treason at all. Just exposing some dickheads who were breaking the rules.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 9:57:34 PM EDT
No, it is not treason to release governmental wrong doings or violations of law. Treason is releasing classified information for the sake of exposing state secrets. Corruption, negligence, and illegal acts are not what we entrust our elected officials to be doing.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 10:23:18 PM EDT
Bradley Manning/Wikileaks - Treason

A. Ernest Fitzgerald/DOD Cost overruns/$300 toilet seats - Not Treason.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 10:53:56 PM EDT
Not treason but it is prosecutable for those sworn as Mil or Intel. If you are not a sworn government servant you should not be prosecutable. Put another way the media or Joe Public has no obligation to keep quiet.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 10:58:40 PM EDT
I notice you're trying to avoid the fact that Paul called Manning a hero and true patriot.

He did not whistleblow, he committed treason.

I like how you try to feel better about it though by avoiding what Paul supports.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 5:28:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By hughjafj:
I notice you're trying to avoid the fact that Paul called Manning a hero and true patriot.

He did not whistleblow, he committed treason.

I like how you try to feel better about it though by avoiding what Paul supports.



I discussed this with you in a different thread.

I will say it again, after watching Paul's video I think you take his words out context.

He isn't calling Manning a hero, he is calling whistleblowers heros.

Link Posted: 1/6/2012 5:29:56 PM EDT
If it screws up the status-quo that I happen to like, then hell yes.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 5:30:21 PM EDT
People like to throw out the word treason for everything under the sun, but it is strictly defined in the Constitution.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 5:31:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/6/2012 5:34:08 PM EDT by ArmyInfantryVet]
Treason is releasing sensitive government documents to the general public so that our enemies can also view them.

Pathetic attempt at stealthily equating Bradley Manning as somehow being a "whistleblower".

I also will add that ZERO government wrong doing was uncovered with the release of said documents. So any bullshit excuse people use to justify it, is also blown out of the water.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 5:32:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/6/2012 5:33:59 PM EDT by Gator]
Originally Posted By hughjafj:
I notice you're trying to avoid the fact that Paul called Manning a hero and true patriot.

He did not whistleblow, he committed treason.

I like how you try to feel better about it though by avoiding what Paul supports.


No, he didn't. You have to do more than read titles some yahoo posts on the web.

Link Posted: 1/6/2012 5:39:35 PM EDT
Wasn't fast and furious brought to light by whistle blowers?
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 5:53:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Boom_Stick:
Wasn't fast and furious brought to light by whistle blowers?




See also:

Abu Ghraib
Watergate
Tuskegee Syphillis Experiments
CIA support of Nicraguan Contras with cocaine profits under Reagan


...etc, etc
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 5:55:54 PM EDT
Whistleblowing is not treason but Manning is not a whistleblower.

I can't believe yoyu are still trying to defend this shit.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 5:57:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By theBUBBAMANcan:
Originally Posted By hughjafj:
I notice you're trying to avoid the fact that Paul called Manning a hero and true patriot.

He did not whistleblow, he committed treason.

I like how you try to feel better about it though by avoiding what Paul supports.



I discussed this with you in a different thread.

I will say it again, after watching Paul's video I think you take his words out context.

He isn't calling Manning a hero, he is calling whistleblowers heros.



Bullshit.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 5:57:46 PM EDT



Oh good. Another (covert) RP thread.

Yay. Like we haven't done this topic to death in the dozens of other RP threads.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 5:59:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Johnny_Reno:



Oh good. Another (covert) RP thread.

Yay. Like we haven't done this topic to death in the dozens of other RP threads.


But it's not an RP thread.

It's not a Manning thread.

OP said so.

Link Posted: 1/6/2012 6:01:11 PM EDT
. Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.



To just say all whistle blowing against our government is treason is ridiculous.

Link Posted: 1/6/2012 6:02:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/6/2012 6:03:27 PM EDT by manowar669]
If Soldiers die because of the leak, it's treason. If the information released reveals whether Kim Kardashian wears control top pantyhose, then no.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 6:10:14 PM EDT
Give it up Bubba, your boy isn't going to get elected.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 6:11:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/6/2012 6:12:32 PM EDT by delemorte]
Originally Posted By dskeet:
It's not always treason. Really depends on the issue and how you go about exposing it.



that
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 6:15:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 583:
Give it up Bubba, your boy isn't going to get elected.



Who do you support for POTUS?

Unless it's Obama, or possibly Romney, your boy isn't going to get elected either.


Link Posted: 1/6/2012 6:17:42 PM EDT
You obey the chain of command and have no other gods before it.

You don't go off the reservation just because you "feel" justified in doing so.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 6:18:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By theBUBBAMANcan:
Originally Posted By 583:
Give it up Bubba, your boy isn't going to get elected.



Who do you support for POTUS?

Unless it's Obama, or possibly Romney, your boy isn't going to get elected either.





Honest question here:

Why did you think that you had to start another RP thread?

There's dozens of them floating around already and this topic has been done to death already in several of them.

Why?

Link Posted: 1/6/2012 6:20:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By dskeet:
It's not always treason. Really depends on the issue and how you go about exposing it.

Exposing what was going on at Abu Gharib (or whatever it's called) was whistleblowing that wasn't treason at all. Just exposing some dickheads who were breaking the rules.


But if I recall correctly many people here believe something is treasonous if it gets Americans killed. Hmm?

Link Posted: 1/6/2012 6:35:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By theBUBBAMANcan:
Is there ever a time when whistleblowing is not treason?


Is it ever not? I have never heard of a case where whistle blowing was treason.

Link Posted: 1/6/2012 7:02:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By theBUBBAMANcan:
Originally Posted By 583:
Give it up Bubba, your boy isn't going to get elected.



Who do you support for POTUS?

Unless it's Obama, or possibly Romney, your boy isn't going to get elected either.




I like Gingrich despite his flaws. There's never going to be the perfect candidate, but he's got my vote. I don't give a rat's ass about his personal life. That said if Ron Paul managed to the nomination I'd throw my support behind him 100% as defeating Obama is paramount.

How many Ron Paul fans would back the Republican nominee instead of writing in Paul as a protest, knowing damn well their vote could have been used against the worse President since LBJ ?
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 7:06:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CombatMP:
No, it is not treason to release governmental wrong doings or violations of law. Treason is releasing classified information for the sake of exposing state secrets. Corruption, negligence, and illegal acts are not what we entrust our elected officials to be doing.


+ 1 Exactly
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 8:37:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Johnny_Reno:
Originally Posted By theBUBBAMANcan:
Originally Posted By 583:
Give it up Bubba, your boy isn't going to get elected.



Who do you support for POTUS?

Unless it's Obama, or possibly Romney, your boy isn't going to get elected either.





Honest question here:

Why did you think that you had to start another RP thread?

There's dozens of them floating around already and this topic has been done to death already in several of them.

Why?


Maybe they're frustrated with the fact their constant spamming has failed to convince us to see the light?
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 8:46:52 PM EDT
I turned in my LPO for stealing tools. I didn't want to face the blowback because he was so popular so I mailed a letter to the CO, XO, and CMC.

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