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Posted: 9/19/2005 10:21:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/19/2005 12:17:00 PM EDT by twonami]
Wife is curious about this and so am I, so which unit is better or has done more?
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 10:22:07 AM EDT
I do believe the 82nd is more hardcore.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 10:23:04 AM EDT
The Marines.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 10:23:08 AM EDT
This should be entertaining...

SBG
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 10:23:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ScaryBlackGuns:
This should be entertaining...

SBG



Yep.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 10:23:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/19/2005 10:23:55 AM EDT by skid2964]
BOTH
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 10:23:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/19/2005 10:24:13 AM EDT by mjohn3006]
US Army S.E.A.L.S
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 10:24:16 AM EDT
Here we go.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 10:24:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/19/2005 10:25:05 AM EDT by Wobblin-Goblin]

Originally Posted By mjohn3006:
US Army S.E.A.L.S


I thought SEALS were from the Navy National Guard?
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 10:25:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

Originally Posted By mjohn3006:
US Army S.E.A.L.S


I thought SEALS were from the Navy National Guard?




Nah, Air Force Coast Guard.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 10:25:39 AM EDT
82 is Airborne, 101 is air assault so different missions for different units.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 10:26:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By BobCole:

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

Originally Posted By mjohn3006:
US Army S.E.A.L.S


I thought SEALS were from the Navy National Guard?




Nah, Air Force National Coast Guard Marine Reserve.

Link Posted: 9/19/2005 10:26:39 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 10:28:30 AM EDT
Better at what? Killing things? Insertions? Extractions? Not losing their colors to the enemy, twice? Macrame? Basket making?
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 10:28:58 AM EDT
If I were still in the Army and had orders for either unit, I'd consider myself lucky.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 10:29:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By twonami:
Wife is curious about this and so am I, so which unit is better or has done more?



If someone hasn't jumped out of a plane, I don't think they are qualified to speak about either one.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 10:31:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/19/2005 10:31:56 AM EDT by mjohn3006]

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:

Originally Posted By twonami:
Wife is curious about this and so am I, so which unit is better or has done more?



If someone hasn't jumped out of a plane, I don't think they are qualified to speak about either one.



Does the parachute drop at 6 flags count?

Uh, I mean, +1
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 10:31:55 AM EDT
The All-American Eighty-Deuce.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 10:36:00 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 10:36:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 1911greg:
82 is Airborne, 101 is air assault so different missions for different units.



+1
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 10:37:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By BobCole:

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

Originally Posted By mjohn3006:
US Army S.E.A.L.S


I thought SEALS were from the Navy National Guard?


Nah, Air Force Coast Guard.


LOL.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 10:37:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By BobCole:
The Marines.



I always get a kick when I see marines wearing ARMY jump wings.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 10:38:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Ranger_SXT:
Better at what? Killing things? Insertions? Extractions? Not losing their colors to the enemy, twice? Macrame? Basket making?


Link Posted: 9/19/2005 10:49:44 AM EDT
The 101st is 19 more than the 82nd.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 10:50:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/19/2005 10:53:08 AM EDT by shotar]
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 10:53:29 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 10:54:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 82ndAbn:
Never heard of either one.


I think it's been established that they are the Air Force Coast Guard's Naval MP battalion.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 10:55:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 1911greg:
82 is Airborne, 101 is air assault so different missions for different units.



the difference?
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 10:56:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By shotar:
My dad was an officer in the 101st. He told me a few tidbits and stories over the years before he passed. He said that the Wermarcht and SS were both scared shitless of the guys with eagles on their shoulderpatch and mohawks. They were told that the 101st would scalp and eat prisoners



That's one of the "funnies" of WWII. Before we jumped on Normandy, the Germans told the French that the American soldiers would have mohawks and were coming to rape their women and steal their stuff. Lo and behold, the 101st decided it'd be fun to do mohawks before their jump. Total coincidence.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 10:59:20 AM EDT
Ft Bragg is much better duty than Ft Campbell.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 10:59:34 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 11:03:09 AM EDT
I am friends with an elderly gentleman that was in the 82nd Airborne.

He jumped out of a plane over Normandy, France on D-Day so I'll ask him what he thinks.

I am glad they are both on my side!

BigDozer66
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 11:03:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DzlBenz:
The 101st is 19 more than the 82nd.




That's 19 MORE!!

How can anyone argue with that. 101st wins by 19. This conversation, is over.

Link Posted: 9/19/2005 11:03:34 AM EDT
Depends on mission and what you want to do.

The 82nd jumps out of planes- gets there via planes.

The 101st rappels out of helicopters and lands on landing zones etc.

They are both good units.

One is Airborne, one is Air Assault- do both, go 82nd then after that go 101st. Go to Airborne school then go to an Airborne unit, do good and get an Air assault slot.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 11:05:48 AM EDT
101 really doas not jump out of helicopters-

Far and few in between.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 11:08:14 AM EDT
Having worked with both, I see little difference except 82nd guys are a little more arrogant.

I guess when your 19 less you have a chip on your shoulder...........
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 11:20:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SJSAMPLE:

Originally Posted By BobCole:
The Marines.



I always get a kick when I see marines wearing ARMY jump wings.


When did you see Marines wearing Army jump wings? I was USAF and wore Army jump wings, but Marines wear these!

Link Posted: 9/19/2005 11:25:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/19/2005 11:31:55 AM EDT by Charging_Handle]
Both are outstanding units. They are both equally good at what they do. But since we are picking favorites and since the 101st has a bit more history, I'll have to go with the in-state based 101st.

BTW, the 101st jumped outta planes too up until about 1968 when they assumed the organization and equipment of an air assault division. It's not that they were too good to jump outta planes anymore, it's just that they discovered helicopter insertion worked better. They are still plenty hard core.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 11:27:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By twonami:
Wife is curious about this and so am I, so which unit is better or has done more?



82nd has been around much longer but 101 has done some incredible things since its birth.

They are two entirely different units. ! is Airborne he other is a bunch of legs air assault.

Both equally good IMHO.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 11:27:45 AM EDT
Tag for later. Gonna need popcorn and a sixpack for this one.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 11:30:11 AM EDT
"Curahee"
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 11:30:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By AirCommando:

Originally Posted By SJSAMPLE:

Originally Posted By BobCole:
The Marines.



I always get a kick when I see marines wearing ARMY jump wings.


When did you see Marines wearing Army jump wings? I was USAF and wore Army jump wings, but Marines wear these!

beseen.net/military-medals/jumpwing.jpg



No, Marines do wear silver wings as I recall in some circumstances. Recon guys wear the gold wings with the dive bubble, but having less than 10 jumps means you only rate the silver wings, something like that. Some Recon, ANGLICO or rigger guy help me out here...
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 11:30:59 AM EDT
first rule of the 82nd and 101st is there is no 82nbd and 101st!
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 11:31:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/19/2005 11:32:36 AM EDT by WildBoar]

Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
Both are outstanding units. They are both equally good at what they do. But since we are picking favorites and since the 101st has a bit more history, I'll have to go with the in-state based 101st.



the 101st has more history?

What did they do in WWI? Even though the 82nd wasnt airborne in WWI they were still the All Americans.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 11:33:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By WildBoar:

Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
Both are outstanding units. They are both equally good at what they do. But since we are picking favorites and since the 101st has a bit more history, I'll have to go with the in-state based 101st.



the 101st has more history?

What did they do in WWI? Even though the 82nd wasnt airborne in WWI they were still the All Americans.



The 101 has Bastogne and the Bulge. Tough to beat.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 11:36:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SJSAMPLE:

Originally Posted By BobCole:
The Marines.



I always get a kick when I see marines wearing ARMY jump wings.




Yeah, sometimes we go slumming.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 11:38:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/19/2005 11:40:13 AM EDT by WildBoar]

Originally Posted By DOW:

Originally Posted By WildBoar:

Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
Both are outstanding units. They are both equally good at what they do. But since we are picking favorites and since the 101st has a bit more history, I'll have to go with the in-state based 101st.



the 101st has more history?

What did they do in WWI? Even though the 82nd wasnt airborne in WWI they were still the All Americans.



The 101 has Bastogne and the Bulge. Tough to beat.



Yeah but we still get to claim Sgt York.

ETA the only thing I would have had a problem with being stationed in the 101 is losing jump status. I did actually consider PCSing to their scout unit though. I can remember which one but I heard good things about it and they actually jumped still.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 11:39:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By WildBoar:

Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
Both are outstanding units. They are both equally good at what they do. But since we are picking favorites and since the 101st has a bit more history, I'll have to go with the in-state based 101st.



the 101st has more history?

What did they do in WWI?



That's not quite fair considering the 101st wasn't even activated until 1942. It's kinda hard to do something when you don't exist.

I compare them from WWII to present. Afterall, the 82nd wasn't an airborne unit in WWI anyway. So comparing them from WWII on seems the best.

Both divisions performed remarkably well in WW2, but I'd give the nod to the 101st. Afterall, it was the 101st's commanding general who gave the historic reply "Nuts!". That's gotta count for extra points.

In Vietnam, the 101st was there for years, fighting in some of the most intense battles, such as at Hill 937 in the A Shau Valley. The 82nd only had one brigade in-country for a rather short period of time.

So if everything is factored in, I would say the 101st does have a bit more history on their side if you view them both from WWII to present. That's not to say one is better than the other, just that the 101st had the more colorful history since their creation.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 11:39:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DOW:

Originally Posted By AirCommando:

Originally Posted By SJSAMPLE:

Originally Posted By BobCole:
The Marines.



I always get a kick when I see marines wearing ARMY jump wings.


When did you see Marines wearing Army jump wings? I was USAF and wore Army jump wings, but Marines wear these!

beseen.net/military-medals/jumpwing.jpg



No, Marines do wear silver wings as I recall in some circumstances. Recon guys wear the gold wings with the dive bubble, but having less than 10 jumps means you only rate the silver wings, something like that. Some Recon, ANGLICO or rigger guy help me out here...



I stand corrected. Thank you. After all, I got out of the service in 1968. Things have probably changed since then!
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 11:40:33 AM EDT


Puking Buzzard +1

My Father retired from the 4-186th

Does the 82nd have an Attack Helicopter BN. ?
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 11:41:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:

Originally Posted By twonami:
Wife is curious about this and so am I, so which unit is better or has done more?



If someone hasn't jumped out of a plane, I don't think they are qualified to speak about either one.



+1
I don't care if you're screamin' Eagle or 82nd...you jump? You have my respect AND admiration. Not everyone (incl. yours truly) is brave enuf to make that leap.
Those who do ROCK regardless of which patch they wear!
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