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Posted: 3/12/2005 11:21:56 AM EST
Alrighty,
In my quest for building the "Ultimate Precision Plinker" 10/22 (UPP) I'm trying to decide on a "Dot" sight. So far I've got a WeaponKraft "Ultimate" kit, a Hogue Overmolded stock on the way, and a GM 16" with Fire Sights on the way.

Now I'm thinking of either a "Kobra" (group buy going on the EE) www.freedomoptics.com/Comersus/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=143
or a Hakko BED-24. I like the Kobra's 1.8 MOA dot (smaller dot for greater precision), different reticles and toughness, but I like the Hakko's "lines".
www.theknifeconnection.com/browseproducts/Hakko-Bed-24-Panorama-MK-II-Electro-Dot-Sight.HTML
Both are about the same price.

I've also seen the Sightron S33-4R sightron.com/index.php?action=view_category&cat_id=1047415903
and was intrigued. I also have an Aimpoint M2 on my M4 clone, and actually thought of a Hakko Tacpoint/Aimpoint knockoff.

Any recommendations?

Thanks
Rich
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 11:32:06 AM EST
I like the Hakko. I don't know how small the dot is on it, but it is quite fine. Can't be much larger than the 1.8 MOA dot on the other sight that you are looking at, if it is larger at all.
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 11:34:12 AM EST

Might get more useful info over in the 10/22 & .22 forum

www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=6&f=11


Out this door, turn left, and down the hall.


Link Posted: 3/12/2005 11:49:08 AM EST
I posted there too . I figgered' this board gets alot more "traffic". When going here
www.hakko-japan.co.jp/optical/english/dot.htm, it appears that the smallest dot on the MR models (most common ones. I've never seen a VD version) is most likely 6 or 8 MOA.



Rich
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 12:18:16 PM EST

Good idea..... Didn't mean any offence. Just that there's a lot of total 10/22 freaks over there that probably don't come over here to the 'dark side'

I have no doubt that you'll get a bunch of good suggestions, on both sides.

Link Posted: 3/12/2005 12:21:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By Trumpet:
I posted there too . I figgered' this board gets alot more "traffic". When going here
www.hakko-japan.co.jp/optical/english/dot.htm, it appears that the smallest dot on the MR models (most common ones. I've never seen a VD version) is most likely 6 or 8 MOA.



Rich



6 or 8 MOA? No way, not on the Hakko I had. My guess is that dot was 1 MOA it appeared just like the dot on my EOTech.
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 12:31:41 PM EST
On your Hakko, did you have a bunch of other reticles, or just a choice of different size dots? If you check out the link, you can see that the dots are more in the 4-8 range.


Rich
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 12:38:09 PM EST
Maybe this will help.
I had a sightron 10 MOA on my Buckmark.
I also made up some target on 8.5"x11" paper.
The dot would cover the 10 ring at 25 yards, perfectly.
So, for of hand practice and such... perfect.
Find your use, then...

The sightrons are excellent value.

My .02
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 12:42:51 PM EST

Originally Posted By Trumpet:
On your Hakko, did you have a bunch of other reticles, or just a choice of different size dots? If you check out the link, you can see that the dots are more in the 4-8 range.


Rich



I had the BED-35, it had several different reticle patterns to choose from. I think mine was the MR-02 reticle. I sold it and bought an EOTech because a few shots of my AR would rattle it loose.
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 12:43:34 PM EST
Sorry, never understood spending several times the purchase mount of a firearm for its accessories.



BSA. $26.
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 12:57:16 PM EST

Originally Posted By rayra:
Sorry, never understood spending several times the purchase mount of a firearm for its accessories.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/rayra/militaria/rayra1022actioncloseup-041201.jpg

BSA. $26.



how well does it perform? I have a 10/22 pistol in the makes, and it's got an integrated weaver base.
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 1:04:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By rayra:
Sorry, never understood spending several times the purchase mount of a firearm for its accessories.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/rayra/militaria/rayra1022actioncloseup-041201.jpg

BSA. $26.



Heretic
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 1:04:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By rayra:
Sorry, never understood spending several times the purchase mount of a firearm for its accessories.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/rayra/militaria/rayra1022actioncloseup-041201.jpg

BSA. $26.



My thought exactly. Cheaper Than Dirt has them for $27.
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 1:40:12 PM EST
That arguement doesn't make much sense. I'm of the "if you can't see it, you can't hit it" camp. Plus, all the optics I listed are pretty cheap. If it's bad optics and I have to send it back four times, how am I coming out ahead? I'm not talking ACOG's here. The most expensive one I listed is $200. Why is it guys don't bat an eye at spending "more than the rifle" for optics for an AR, yet freak out when it comes to a .22?? I mean, realistically, more people shoot more out of their .22 than any other weapon.

Lastgunslinger,
Yeah, I thought of an EOTech, but it's over my budget. Plus, if I bought one, I'd wanna put it on an AR and not the .22


Rich
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 5:26:33 PM EST

Originally Posted By Trumpet:

Lastgunslinger,
Yeah, I thought of an EOTech, but it's over my budget. Plus, if I bought one, I'd wanna put it on an AR and not the .22


Rich



Even if you got the smallest simplest EOTech. They get down towards the price of the more expensive ones you have listed I think.
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 5:33:41 PM EST
Wal-Mart BSA 29.99
Link Posted: 3/12/2005 6:44:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By NAM:

Originally Posted By rayra:
Sorry, never understood spending several times the purchase mount of a firearm for its accessories.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/rayra/militaria/rayra1022actioncloseup-041201.jpg

BSA. $26.



how well does it perform? I have a 10/22 pistol in the makes, and it's got an integrated weaver base.

It's fine. It's been banging around for some time and ~1000 rounds. But that's .22lr on a rifle. The only thing that'll kill a scope on a weapon like that is faulty manufacture or a direct impact on the scope.
And it's a 40mm tube, it might look a little huge on a pistol.


That pic above, I put a ramline etended mag release on it long ago. Then just recently I added an extended bolt catch/release, and adapted a much larger / wider bolt handle from a .22mag model. None of those parts was over $14.
It's a sweet little shooter all for $200. It makes a great near-disposeable training gun for teaching new shooters, and for plinking.
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 2:36:57 PM EST
I'm so weak.



I bought an EOTech 512 today from Mike at CS....



Rich
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 3:28:11 PM EST

Originally Posted By Trumpet:
I'm so weak.



I bought an EOTech 512 today from Mike at CS....



Rich



[burns]Excellent[/burns]
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 3:31:44 PM EST
Well, I always feel better when I know there are still plenty of people that know how to piss away money.
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 4:43:49 PM EST
Well,
I figure, I know I wanted a 1 MOA dot. EOTech has it. I know I wanted quality (could mount on one of my AR's if I wanted to). EOTech has it. So if it's exactly what I want, is great quality, and I know it will work, then it's not so expensive after all.


Rich
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 4:45:17 PM EST
Millett Red Dot........
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 4:48:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By Trumpet:
I'm so weak.



I bought an EOTech 512 today from Mike at CS....



Rich



good ..good
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 4:52:44 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/14/2005 4:52:55 PM EST by TIMMAH]

Originally Posted By Trumpet:
I'm so weak.



I bought an EOTech 512 today from Mike at CS....



Rich



Good choice
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