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Posted: 9/19/2009 4:51:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/19/2009 5:30:14 PM EST by absael]
Let's say that you wanted a semi-auto .308 that you could use as your only rifle for hunting and SHTF. You could afford to get any on the list, but cheaper is better. Reliability, accuracy, ease of maintenance, and price and availability of mags and parts are all considerations. Which would you choose? Which barrel and options would you get? Why? And if you already have it, show us some pics!

Armalite AR-10
DPMS LR-308
RRA LAR-8 [ETA typo'd the model name in the poll ]
Springfield M1A
FAL
Saiga 308
PTR-91
Other

Link Posted: 9/19/2009 4:52:44 PM EST
IBTP
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 4:52:51 PM EST
I like the saiga for the price. Used to find nice unconverted ones for $500
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 4:54:22 PM EST
what happened to HK 91?
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 4:54:56 PM EST
PTR-91 FTW!!!!!!
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 4:55:04 PM EST
m1a
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 4:56:43 PM EST

I voted DPMS because that's the one I have. The trigger really sucks and needs to be swapped out, but I like it none the less.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 4:57:16 PM EST



Mine isn't a PTR though.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 4:57:23 PM EST
rra or armalite
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 4:57:28 PM EST
By your considerations, FAL, hands down.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 4:57:44 PM EST
FAL
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 4:58:08 PM EST
HK91/PTR91

Can't beat $3 mags.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:00:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By coldair:
what happened to HK 91?
I decided to leave it out because I felt that it was too expensive.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:02:04 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/19/2009 5:09:58 PM EST by DuraToTheMax]
I have a Fulton Armory AR-10. I voted "other" but it's similar to the DPMS.


ETA: Mine is a bench shooter, that Krieger 22" makes it a bit heavy to lug around. I'll get another one at some point, with an 18" barrel and maybe a UBR stock.

Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:02:50 PM EST
Garand
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:05:07 PM EST
My Armalite......I really looked at alot of options. I love the M1A. But the AR10 won out. She will be getting better glass ASAP though.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:05:18 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:11:17 PM EST
The Saiga, while not the most refined, is by far the best bang-for-the-buck and arguably the most reliable as well.

The one major downside is proprietary mags that can be expensive. A Saiga, conversion, and ten mags would probably run you the same amount of $$ as an decent FAL or bare bones M1A
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:11:44 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:12:42 PM EST
M1A




Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:16:30 PM EST
Originally Posted By absael:

Originally Posted By coldair:
what happened to HK 91?
I decided to leave it out because I felt that it was too expensive.


I only paid 1100 for one and 750 for the other one brand new with the collapsible stocks
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:18:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By coldair:
Originally Posted By absael:

Originally Posted By coldair:
what happened to HK 91?
I decided to leave it out because I felt that it was too expensive.


I only paid 1100 for one and 750 for the other one brand new with the collapsible stocks

Well sell the OP the $750 one for no profit and make someone very happy!
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:21:33 PM EST
I had an HK91 and have fired the M1A and FAL. I LOVE the FAL but the M1A was sweet. The 91 was so barrel heavy and had a horrendous trigger pull that, as good as it is, comes in third.

Don't know about the AR10.

You want a battle rifle, go with the FAL (para version, but that's just me). You want a sweet shooter to "reach out and touch someone", I'd take the M1A.

TC
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:23:52 PM EST
no way I would have to get at least 900 for it.
I missed a new barrett m107 for 1899 and a new hk sp89 with the hk laser forward grip 900
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:24:11 PM EST
Armalite AR10 or M1A

Armalite for ease of optic use and if you have AR's muscle memory but downside is expensive mags.

M1A for iron sight setups and for easy to find mags

Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:25:09 PM EST

Originally Posted By coldair:
Originally Posted By absael:

Originally Posted By coldair:
what happened to HK 91?
I decided to leave it out because I felt that it was too expensive.


I only paid 1100 for one and 750 for the other one brand new with the collapsible stocks
I had no idea they could be had that cheap - I don't see them for sale often though. I just did a quick search; one guy wanted $3500 and another one sold for $2900.

Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:25:31 PM EST
I vote G3 so I guess PTR
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:34:22 PM EST
Given the selection, I guess it boils down to which manufacturer of those models do you trust to build a quality firearm. I would first look at the Armalite AR10 and the RRA LR8.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:40:16 PM EST
ArmaLite AR-10A4 carbine.



5sub
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:42:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By Quintin:
Originally Posted By Windustsearch:
By your considerations, FAL, hands down.


I'm a sucker for a nice M1A, but this is my opinion too. It'd be really hard to beat a FAL all around for the considerations mentioned.

It'd be really hard to beat a FAL all around for the considerations mentioned.


Maybe if you don't want to use a scope.



5sub
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:42:16 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:43:29 PM EST
Originally Posted By SIPCAT-C:
I vote G3 so I guess PTR



Here's the deal. A PTR does not equal the quality of a HK made HK91, just like a Springfield M1A clone does not equal the quality of a Winchester M14. And a clone built FAL made from a parts kit w/ US compliant parts doesn't equal a Belgium made FAL. The capability of the manufacturer to make a high quality rifle is the most important factor in choosing a rifle from this list that the OP provided.

Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:47:21 PM EST
This:

Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:47:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/19/2009 5:48:50 PM EST by 57Strat]
Originally Posted By absael:

Originally Posted By coldair:
Originally Posted By absael:

Originally Posted By coldair:
what happened to HK 91?
I decided to leave it out because I felt that it was too expensive.


I only paid 1100 for one and 750 for the other one brand new with the collapsible stocks
I had no idea they could be had that cheap - I don't see them for sale often though. I just did a quick search; one guy wanted $3500 and another one sold for $2900.



Generally speaking, $750 to $1100 for a HK91 is 1988 pricing. Not saying you'll never find a HK91 for $750 to $1000, but it would be extremely unlikely today.

Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:50:07 PM EST
Originally Posted By 57Strat:
Originally Posted By SIPCAT-C:
I vote G3 so I guess PTR



Here's the deal. A PTR does not equal the quality of a HK made HK91, just like a Springfield M1A clone does not equal the quality of a Winchester M14. And a clone built FAL made from a parts kit w/ US compliant parts doesn't equal a Belgium made FAL. The capability of the manufacturer to make a high quality rifle is the most important factor in choosing a rifle from this list that the OP provided.



DSA makes better FAL's than FN actually.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:55:52 PM EST
1. M1A
2. ArmaLite AR-10A4
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 5:57:35 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 6:03:57 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/19/2009 6:06:39 PM EST by 57Strat]
Originally Posted By stealbear:
Originally Posted By 57Strat:
Originally Posted By SIPCAT-C:
I vote G3 so I guess PTR



Here's the deal. A PTR does not equal the quality of a HK made HK91, just like a Springfield M1A clone does not equal the quality of a Winchester M14. And a clone built FAL made from a parts kit w/ US compliant parts doesn't equal a Belgium made FAL. The capability of the manufacturer to make a high quality rifle is the most important factor in choosing a rifle from this list that the OP provided.



DSA makes better FAL's than FN actually.



Can you back that claim up with any facts? How is the DSA better made than a FN made FAL. Better materials? Better machining? Ability to be more consistent in quality control? More reliable?

Link Posted: 9/19/2009 6:04:22 PM EST
I just put about 100 rds through my M1A today. Just to confirm that it is the greatest battle rifle of all time.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 6:05:43 PM EST
I like my M14 but I wish I could get an FAL.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 6:06:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By Firebird69:
Lifetime warranty, quality, excellent customer service.

Armalite mags on sale

http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=AR10+20R+MAG+10&ReturnUrl=Categories.aspx?Category=6e2f1383-0946-4a25-8d0b-e6087b9b4c6f


Got in my mags maybe two weeks ago.

5sub
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 6:07:26 PM EST
Originally Posted By 57Strat:
Originally Posted By stealbear:
Originally Posted By 57Strat:
Originally Posted By SIPCAT-C:
I vote G3 so I guess PTR



Here's the deal. A PTR does not equal the quality of a HK made HK91, just like a Springfield M1A clone does not equal the quality of a Winchester M14. And a clone built FAL made from a parts kit w/ US compliant parts doesn't equal a Belgium made FAL. The capability of the manufacturer to make a high quality rifle is the most important factor in choosing a rifle from this list that the OP provided.



DSA makes better FAL's than FN actually.



Can you back that claim up with any facts? How is the DSA better made than a FN made FAL. Better materials? Better machining? Ability to be more consistent in quality control? More reliable?



Newer machinery, perhaps?
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 6:07:45 PM EST
Originally Posted By STRIKE504:
I just put about 100 rds through my M1A today. Just to confirm that it is the greatest battle rifle of all time.


I did that too. Only it was yesterday, and it was 50. But other than that exactly the same.

If I could only keep one rifle it would be my M1A.

Link Posted: 9/19/2009 6:10:24 PM EST
I vote for a quality FAL. The mags are cheap, the rifle is wonderful, and an FAL just kicks ass.

I had a PTR-91 and sold it after a few months of owning it. I thought the thing was bulky, heavy, and just cumbersome. On the other hand, the FAL is just soo sweet.

As for the AR-10 (or clones) or the M1a, well shit, the mags are just too damn much money to justify. Thats why I would personally go with the FAL.

I have a DSA Para Congo and just love it. I put a AAC 762sd can on it, and its just a thing of beauty :)
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 6:11:27 PM EST
PTRs were great back when they were $600 rifles.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 6:12:51 PM EST
A good quality FAL is more accurate than most shooters.
Mags are still cheap and plentiful.
Spare parts are still cheap and available.
The adjustable gas system gives good results with
varying types of ammo.
It has been battle proven by numerous armies since the 50's.

Will it do everything perfectly? No
But it will do everything you need it to do well enough, reliably enough
and affordably enough compared to most other .308 battle rifles.

No gun is the end all be all perfect gun. The FAL does not try to be one.
It does however do what you ask of it when you ask it to with the added
benefit of cheap mags and easy to find parts. The fact that its a breeze to
clean is no small factor either.

Link Posted: 9/19/2009 6:14:32 PM EST
I'd go M1A
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 6:14:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By PanzerOfDoom:
This:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/PanzerOfDoom/024.jpg

What sort of faggotry is this? A 308 Garand conversion? That's like taking the V8 out of a hotrod and replacing it with a 4 Cylinder Honda motor.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 6:15:50 PM EST
16" saiga 308 with 25rnd mags and a 1-4 power scope or a red-dot. not the most accurate thing but plenty accurate for shtf. ull be under 1k when its all said and done depending on ur sight.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 6:16:06 PM EST
I love FAL's.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 6:16:34 PM EST
Originally Posted By 57Strat:
Originally Posted By stealbear:
Originally Posted By 57Strat:
Originally Posted By SIPCAT-C:
I vote G3 so I guess PTR



Here's the deal. A PTR does not equal the quality of a HK made HK91, just like a Springfield M1A clone does not equal the quality of a Winchester M14. And a clone built FAL made from a parts kit w/ US compliant parts doesn't equal a Belgium made FAL. The capability of the manufacturer to make a high quality rifle is the most important factor in choosing a rifle from this list that the OP provided.



DSA makes better FAL's than FN actually.



Can you back that claim up with any facts? How is the DSA better made than a FN made FAL. Better materials? Better machining? Ability to be more consistent in quality control? More reliable?



Tougher receiver. I believe DSA receivers are fully hardened vs spot hardened FN's. There could be more to it. Hopefully someone with more knowledge can chime in.
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