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Posted: 9/1/2004 12:37:11 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/1/2004 12:42:00 PM EST by junebug68]
I was thinking about getting a Remington 1187 or a Benelli M1 tactical. Any pros and cons on these?
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 12:41:42 PM EST
A reliable one. Just me being a smart ass as usual don't go all garandman on me. I like my 11-87 in 12 guage. It will run as fast as I can pull the trigger, that to me is as reliable as it gets.Take care. Coondog
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 12:43:04 PM EST
Probably the Remington.

But I'll take a Benelli if you're handing them out.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 12:44:18 PM EST
Benelli.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 12:45:12 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 12:45:55 PM EST
I've got a Benelli M1 Tactical and it is awesome! I put an extended tube on it and I've had ZERO problems with it. Gotta love recoil action! Plus, it looks meaner than heck!
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 12:46:10 PM EST
+1 for Benelli
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 12:47:37 PM EST

Originally Posted By Ekie:
img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/Ekie12091941/Saiga-12C03.jpg



+1, a Saiga 12 ga. is the next thing on my shopping list. Home defense=reliable. Reliable longarm=Kalashnikov.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 12:47:46 PM EST
I have the AK one...it is an awesome weapon, tough, reliable and little recoil, bestof all 5 mags for it.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 12:50:20 PM EST
Remy 1100CM... all set and ready to go from the factory. Mine has been ultra-reliable. I don't clean it as often as I should, but it keeps rockin'. #4 buck takes plates down quick and recoil is easy to handle. I use mine for skeet, trap, and plates. I almost never used my O/U anymore. You don't really need the 3" chamber in a HD shotty.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 12:50:32 PM EST
Probably the LT-20 I saw at the gunshow for $300 and DIDN'T BUY. I'm still kicking myself over that one.

Kirk
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 12:54:59 PM EST
I like to keep my SPAS12 handy.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 12:56:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By Ekie:
img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/Ekie12091941/Saiga-12C03.jpg



September 13, here we come!!


Remington for me, though.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 12:57:13 PM EST
Browning A-5
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 1:01:38 PM EST
Either is fine in the hands of someone who knows how to use it.

That said, my druthers would be a Benelli.

I like the unlocked shell lifter. Plus with the older ones you can sneak an extra round in on top of the shell lifter.

Admittedly, Benelli’s will thump you a bit harder than an 1187.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 1:02:20 PM EST
If I had to choose I would vote for the 11-87 platform.

However I would not choose a semi shotty for home defense. I am not trying to start a flame war just state my opinion. Auto shottys have a place, IMHO its not home defense.

CH
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 1:03:36 PM EST


Just for clarification, could someone explain the legality of attaching a folding stock to this thing if/when the ban goes away? If it's legal, my god it would be the mother of all home defense weapons!!!
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 1:04:49 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 1:04:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/1/2004 1:05:37 PM EST by post6440]
Not to be a smart ass, I like mine Mossy pump 500 18in barrel.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 1:07:56 PM EST
Benelli M1 Tactical with pistol grip and ghost rings. My experience is that it functions with ammo that makes other autoloaders have cycling issues. Weighs less than the 11-87, and not gas operated, so you feel some more recoil, but the cycling reliability is the key.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 1:08:15 PM EST

Originally Posted By heavily_armed:
img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/Ekie12091941/Saiga-12C03.jpg

Just for clarification, could someone explain the legality of attaching a folding stock to this thing if/when the ban goes away? If it's legal, my god it would be the mother of all home defense weapons!!!



My understanding is that once the AWB goes away, you still have to deal with US parts compliance issues from the '89 import ban, but it can be done. Check forum.saiga-12.com for more info.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 1:11:11 PM EST
1187, maybe.

Ive never owned a semi auto shotgun that was 100% reliable, including the Benelli M1 Super 90.

My Benelli has been put on permanant slug gun duty. I use 870's for defense/work.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 1:18:48 PM EST
The Benelli kicks like a mule. I had a pre-ban and I couldn't shoot more than 2 tubes full before walking away. And it was finicky on ammo, not willing to cycle everything. Might have to do with the recoil operation (vs. gas operation). I didn't like it and sold it right away.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 1:20:16 PM EST
I have a Rem 11-87 Police that is very reliable. The Benelli is OK if you are looking for light weight, but that should not be much of a consideration for a home gun. I have owned and shot an M1 Super 90. It may be reliable, but if you want to shoot it for extended periods, it will beat the living crap out of your shoulder. That is why I sold mine and bought the 11-87, it is not just a little better, it is a lot better on felt recoil. I guarantee, if you shoot 7 rounds of buckshot in the Benelli, then shoot the same loads in an 11-87, it will feel like you are shooting a .22LR, relatively speaking.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 1:23:55 PM EST
I also have a Rem 11-87 Police so if I was to use a shotgun, not my first choice, I would use it.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 1:32:44 PM EST
+1 for the M1.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 1:40:39 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 1:53:21 PM EST
Been eyeing the M1014, as I'm often told that it runs reliably. The inability to get the evil collapsible stock has dampened the enthusiasm somewhat, but I remain undaunted. Similar thoughts for the Saiga-12 (lousy import restrictions). 12-ga. mags look cumbersome beyond carrying 2-3. Will definitely try one out before passing any judgement, though. If I were in the house burglarizing biz, even the sight of grandpa's old double bbl. SG would turn me into the king of the 100 yd. dash.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 1:55:53 PM EST
Benelli M1 Super 90
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 1:58:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By joeblack:
users.zoominternet.net/~picplace/spas12.JPG



Cheater!
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 1:59:01 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 2:20:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/1/2004 2:22:40 PM EST by JHP]
M1 Benelli --- it is my favorite weapon ...well that and my M1A ..the thing is just damn sweet
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 2:56:27 PM EST
This article has a lot of good info and I've found it to be consistent with what I've experienced

Speed Shotgun


I've shot a few different Benellis and wasn't all that impressed. They recoiled harder and had problems with light loads. I also experienced the hammer-follow mentioned in that article.

Don't have much trigger time behind the 1100, but I liked it. Don't forget to stay on top of that magazine spring to ensure reliability.

A-5, too bad they don't make mag extentions and pistol grip stocks for them. My brother did the fastest shotgun mag-dump I've ever seen with one.


I'll still take a pump, more specifically an 870.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 3:41:04 PM EST
I've fired both the super 90 and the 11-87P. To tell the truth, I don't really like the idea of a semi auto shotgun. (870 behind my truck seat 24/7) I thought I would prefer the M1, but it was quite the opposite! The M1 bucked to the right with every shot due to the rotating bolt design. I did not like it at all. On the other hand the 11-87 had very little recoil with full house loads and the weapon was back on target right away. Reliability issues, I cannot address. I did not spend enough time with either gun to pass judgement. If I had to carry an autoloading shotgun, I'd go with a remington. I am waiting for the saiga 12 with anticipation.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 3:43:02 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 3:52:02 PM EST
I have a Rem 11/87 and I've shot a few hundreds thru it shooting trap & skeet with zero failure. If I had to keep a auto-loading shotgun for self-defense this would be it.

OT: For those who want to put an extended mag tube on the Remingtion shotguns, Remington puts a little dimple on the end the prevents the shells from thru the mag, but it is a simple to get around by filling it down.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 3:56:33 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/1/2004 3:57:10 PM EST by Sierra_Hombre]
as far as performance goes, you'd be better off saving a couple of hundred dollars with the 11-87 and putting the saved money towards some neat-o gadgets.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 3:59:57 PM EST
I've got both Benelli M-1 is my favorite. I've got one tactical M1 and another with an 18" barrel and the HD camo I use for turkeys 1187 is a good gun but seems a lot heavier than benelli
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