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Posted: 3/2/2010 9:21:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/2/2010 9:22:47 AM EDT by DLaw]
I personally hate the way the GSD's look now. I remember when they were big dogs with their backs straight, now they've made them into these medium sized dogs with these ugly sloped hind quarters.

What has the AKC done to the GSD?



Old school



Today
Link Posted: 3/2/2010 9:23:01 AM EDT
Your point is well taken, but the pics are not quite a fair comparison.

The bottom dog is far more posed than the top.

-Z
Link Posted: 3/2/2010 9:24:58 AM EDT
I always thought the butt down look was a posture thing from service dog and other strict training.
Link Posted: 3/2/2010 9:27:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Crimson_Trace:
Your point is well taken, but the pics are not quite a fair comparison.

The bottom dog is far more posed than the top.

-Z



There is a difference between today's and yester years GSD's
Link Posted: 3/2/2010 9:28:58 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Crimson_Trace:
Your point is well taken, but the pics are not quite a fair comparison.

The bottom dog is far more posed than the top.

-Z


The picture of the dog on top there's no way his back is sloped like that...No matter how you pose him.

Link Posted: 3/2/2010 9:30:15 AM EDT
Get both!



Link Posted: 3/2/2010 9:33:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/2/2010 9:33:38 AM EDT by Miss_Magnum]
AKC has shaped the change in a number of breeds based on what wins in shows.  They are judged on phenotype (appearance) over genotype (genetics).

Another example... chows now have a more smushed in face leading to more respiratory issues.
Link Posted: 3/2/2010 9:34:25 AM EDT
My GSD doesn't slope





Link Posted: 3/2/2010 9:34:50 AM EDT
git me some wwII nazi gsds.
Link Posted: 3/2/2010 9:36:26 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DLaw:
Originally Posted By Crimson_Trace:
Your point is well taken, but the pics are not quite a fair comparison.

The bottom dog is far more posed than the top.

-Z


The picture of the dog on top there's no way his back is sloped like that...No matter how you pose him.




I said, "your point is well taken". That means I get it.

I understand very well the changes in the breed.

However, in addition to the selective breeding that has taken place, GSDs are now posed in a manner to exaggerate the slope, as in the pic.

-Z out




Link Posted: 3/2/2010 9:36:47 AM EDT
my akc gsd has a lower tail end, kind of in between.

Yes AKC is really doing some damage on the gsd breed imo
Link Posted: 3/2/2010 9:40:00 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Crimson_Trace:
Originally Posted By DLaw:
Originally Posted By Crimson_Trace:
Your point is well taken, but the pics are not quite a fair comparison.

The bottom dog is far more posed than the top.

-Z


The picture of the dog on top there's no way his back is sloped like that...No matter how you pose him.




I said, "your point is well taken". That means I get it.

I understand very well the changes in the breed.

However, in addition to the selective breeding that has taken place, GSDs are now posed in a manner to exaggerate the slope, as in the pic.

-Z out








Link Posted: 3/2/2010 9:40:05 AM EDT
There are so many different types of GSD's now.  If you really like the looks of the old style dogs, take a look at the DDR or Czech lines.  They are usually pretty close to that and also have the temparment that Max talked about when he "created" the breed.  This is my guy at 18 months.  Half DDR/Czech.  


Link Posted: 3/2/2010 9:42:40 AM EDT
Current German lines have far less angulation than American lines. Excessive rear angulation exacerbates the already present problem of poor hip joints in GSDs and also limits endurance, particularly for herding as intended for the breed. A (well chosen) GSD of German lines is the better choice, especially if one intends the dog to work. The only reason to own an American line GSD is for AKC showing –– where looks and brief stylized movement trumps all. German SV breed survey standards (including SchH1-3, VPG1-3, IP1-3, or HGH as well as an endurance test) are much more demanding than anything underlying American line breeding programs.
Link Posted: 3/2/2010 9:44:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By rangehunter:
There are so many different types of GSD's now.  If you really like the looks of the old style dogs, take a look at the DDR or Czech lines.  They are usually pretty close to that and also have the temparment that Max talked about when he "created" the breed.  This is my guy at 18 months.  Half DDR/Czech.  

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/bosco146/IMG_0025-2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/bosco146/IMG_0060.jpg


Wow, nice looking dog.
Link Posted: 3/2/2010 9:45:43 AM EDT
My old Duke, looked like the top pic.  He was really a good watch dog and we miss him.
Link Posted: 3/2/2010 9:53:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/2/2010 10:01:12 AM EDT by Bhart89]
We have one of each.  Our American GSD, Anka is a rescue and just turned 2 is about 70lbs (she's the skinnier one with the more pointed nose) and Kayla is Beligian (about 110lbs) with no sloped hips and a head like a cow.

Link Posted: 3/2/2010 9:53:54 AM EDT
Working lines without a doubt, every day of the week
Link Posted: 3/2/2010 9:59:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/2/2010 9:59:23 AM EDT by NimmerMehr]
Somewhere I was told that for running well on 4 legs, all legs need to be of even length.  That is why Hyenas have a odd gait.


 
Link Posted: 3/2/2010 10:14:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/2/2010 10:16:06 AM EDT by cjharpy]
I don't think mine slopes











 
Link Posted: 3/2/2010 10:16:40 AM EDT
Originally Posted By cjharpy:
I don't think mine slopes
http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss302/cjharpy/IMG00052-20091206-1322.jpg


Nope! No slope there! Got more pics?

Link Posted: 3/2/2010 10:20:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/2/2010 10:21:47 AM EDT by cjharpy]





Originally Posted By DLaw:





Originally Posted By cjharpy:


I don't think mine slopes


http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss302/cjharpy/IMG00052-20091206-1322.jpg






Nope! No slope there! Got more pics?














Ella at 4 months (She didn't have much tan when she was a pup but now has tan up 3/4 her legs)










 
Link Posted: 3/2/2010 10:30:14 AM EDT
The popularity of the GSD and bad breeders has started causing health problems with the breed. This is one of the reasons why you are seeing more belgians as police dogs.
Link Posted: 3/2/2010 10:43:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By cjharpy:

Originally Posted By DLaw:
Originally Posted By cjharpy:
I don't think mine slopes
http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss302/cjharpy/IMG00052-20091206-1322.jpg


Nope! No slope there! Got more pics?

http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss302/cjharpy/IMG00039-20091206-1216.jpg
http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss302/cjharpy/000_0062.jpg
Ella at 4 months (She didn't have much tan when she was a pup but now has tan up 3/4 her legs)
http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss302/cjharpy/Ella.jpg
 


Good looking pooch.  I have always been partial to solid black even though all of mine have been black and tan.
Link Posted: 3/2/2010 10:49:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By SSeric02:
I always thought the butt down look was a posture thing from service dog and other strict training.


And you are right.
Link Posted: 3/2/2010 10:53:05 AM EDT
Originally Posted By rangehunter:
There are so many different types of GSD's now.  If you really like the looks of the old style dogs, take a look at the DDR or Czech lines.  They are usually pretty close to that and also have the temparment that Max talked about when he "created" the breed.  This is my guy at 18 months.  Half DDR/Czech.  

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/bosco146/IMG_0025-2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/bosco146/IMG_0060.jpg


good looking dog! do you do any training with him?
Link Posted: 3/2/2010 10:57:00 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/2/2010 11:01:41 AM EDT






That's awesome!
Link Posted: 3/2/2010 11:02:21 AM EDT
Why do they call them GSD's?

I know that it stands for German Shepard Dog, but why the hell do they need the "D" on the end when just "GS" would suffice enough???

Most people know that a German Shepard is a Dog. Don't they?
Link Posted: 3/2/2010 11:02:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/2/2010 11:06:29 AM EDT by cornface]

Originally Posted By CWO:
Originally Posted By SSeric02:




I always thought the butt down look was a posture thing from service dog and other strict training.

And you are right.





Or maybe it is 80 years of inbreeding.
1921:



2002:



ETA: GSD's from 1899 to the present




 


 
Link Posted: 3/2/2010 11:04:53 AM EDT
Here is my fat head.  He is a Schutzhund SchH3 GSD.  His lines are Czech.  I like the european lines.

Link Posted: 3/2/2010 11:08:32 AM EDT
Originally Posted By bwideman:
Here is my fat head.  He is a Schutzhund SchH3 GSD.  His lines are Czech.  I like the european lines.

http://i901.photobucket.com/albums/ac212/rbdub474/IMGP3384.jpg


Good looking dog, my male has czech lines his grandfather and grandmother were  direct imports, his father was first generation, his mothers parents were Czech and german imports
Link Posted: 3/2/2010 11:11:11 AM EDT
No slope here. German/czech lines.

Link Posted: 3/2/2010 11:13:06 AM EDT
Originally Posted By MTNmyMag:
Originally Posted By bwideman:
Here is my fat head.  He is a Schutzhund SchH3 GSD.  His lines are Czech.  I like the european lines.

http://i901.photobucket.com/albums/ac212/rbdub474/IMGP3384.jpg


Good looking dog, my male has czech lines his grandfather and grandmother were  direct imports, his father was first generation, his mothers parents were Czech and german imports


Thanks.  His dad was an import that was also SchH3 and was handled by one of my friends for a local agency.  Momma was also an import and was SchH2
Link Posted: 3/2/2010 11:16:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/2/2010 11:19:03 AM EDT by bwideman]
Originally Posted By PooFire:
No slope here. German/czech lines.
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/poofire/KSB.jpg


Good looking dog.  My dad has a female that looks almost exactly like that.  His dog's papa was Stormfront Brawnson;

Link Posted: 3/2/2010 11:17:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/2/2010 11:28:22 AM EDT by guns762]




Love my Gustoph!    Greatest dog ever..........

Was told by his previous owner(he's a rescue) he is from "Polish" lines.   No Polish jokes.  He is not very big about 75-80lbs, 25" at the shoulder, but with a straight back, short hair.

Then there is the terrorist of my household......
My crazy ass Malinois, Aliza  "Ally"

Link Posted: 3/2/2010 11:19:05 AM EDT
No slope.  Will eat BGs and lay down her life to protect her family.





She's a lot bigger now too.
Link Posted: 3/2/2010 2:59:15 PM EDT
Yup, Schutzhund and work with the local PD K9 handlers.
Link Posted: 3/2/2010 3:20:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/2/2010 3:23:24 PM EDT by Seabee_Mech]
Old School



My GSD Loki from German/DDR Bloodlines:

5 years old, 115/120 pounds (summer/winter weight)



Link Posted: 3/2/2010 3:47:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Seabee_Mech:
Old School



My GSD Loki from German/DDR Bloodlines:

5 years old, 115/120 pounds (summer/winter weight)

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/Seabee_Mech/Lokeanddear-11.jpg

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/Seabee_Mech/101_0147.jpg


Beautiful!

Link Posted: 3/2/2010 3:50:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By akethan:
Get both!


Proper ARFCOM answer, and the OP failed for not including it in his poll choice:

Link Posted: 3/2/2010 3:53:14 PM EDT
Ugh, the AKC is pretty disgusting. All about appearances. They will breed the intelligence, health, and good traits out of a dog just so it looks like some arbitrary ideal.
Link Posted: 3/3/2010 8:21:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Schadenfreuda:
Why do they call them GSD's?

I know that it stands for German Shepard Dog, but why the hell do they need the "D" on the end when just "GS" would suffice enough???

Most people know that a German Shepard is a Dog. Don't they?


Because this is a German Shepherd.

Link Posted: 3/3/2010 8:29:33 AM EDT
C. None of the above

Link Posted: 3/3/2010 8:35:24 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Originally Posted By Schadenfreuda:
Why do they call them GSD's?

I know that it stands for German Shepard Dog, but why the hell do they need the "D" on the end when just "GS" would suffice enough???

Most people know that a German Shepard is a Dog. Don't they?


Because this is a German Shepherd.

http://dick.mckay.org/html/images/SheepHerderOnRoad.jpg


Deutscher Schäferhund in German combines shepherd and dog into one word, so cutting out the dog part is not the best translation. in short,  blame the germans and their language.
Link Posted: 3/3/2010 8:42:00 AM EDT
The dogs displaying the sloping rear end are noticeably crouching, which is exaggerating the slope; look at the angles of the feet.

FWIW, I like the old school appearance.
Link Posted: 3/3/2010 10:35:50 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Zardoz:
The dogs displaying the sloping rear end are noticeably crouching, which is exaggerating the slope; look at the angles of the feet.

FWIW, I like the old school appearance.


I agree, but there is no way my dog could get his butt that low with out taking a shit, and still be standing .    Look at the rear leg, farthest back, it isn't that differently angled than the dog's above it.
Link Posted: 3/3/2010 10:40:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/3/2010 10:41:32 AM EDT by mmajunkie]
It is isn't a pose, its called "Stacked up"

 
Link Posted: 3/3/2010 10:43:19 AM EDT
Mine doesnt slope, but he's freaking huge.
Link Posted: 3/3/2010 10:49:49 AM EDT
Originally Posted By dawgm:
Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Originally Posted By Schadenfreuda:
Why do they call them GSD's?

I know that it stands for German Shepard Dog, but why the hell do they need the "D" on the end when just "GS" would suffice enough???

Most people know that a German Shepard is a Dog. Don't they?


Because this is a German Shepherd.

http://dick.mckay.org/html/images/SheepHerderOnRoad.jpg


Deutscher Schäferhund in German combines shepherd and dog into one word, so cutting out the dog part is not the best translation. in short,  blame the germans and their language.


or you could blame the UK Kennel Club and the AKC for making the literal translation the "official" breed name... We could call them Alsatian Wolf Dogs
Link Posted: 3/3/2010 11:59:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By hellbound:
Originally Posted By dawgm:
Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Originally Posted By Schadenfreuda:
Why do they call them GSD's?

I know that it stands for German Shepard Dog, but why the hell do they need the "D" on the end when just "GS" would suffice enough???

Most people know that a German Shepard is a Dog. Don't they?


Because this is a German Shepherd.

http://dick.mckay.org/html/images/SheepHerderOnRoad.jpg


Deutscher Schäferhund in German combines shepherd and dog into one word, so cutting out the dog part is not the best translation. in short,  blame the germans and their language.


or you could blame the UK Kennel Club and the AKC for making the literal translation the "official" breed name... We could call them Alsatian Wolf Dogs


When I first graduated from college I moved to VA into an apartment that had breed restrictions.  No Dobermans, Pittbulls, Rottweilers or German Shepherds.  I told them I had an Alsation and they were like "Ok, sounds like a beautiful dog"
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