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Posted: 3/15/2011 5:44:52 PM EST
Which one should i get? Savage 111FCNS (~$550) or a Remington 700 (~$700)? It will be used for deer and zombies. Please explain your decision, and if you vote for the Remington, what am I gaining with the extra $150?
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 5:45:59 PM EST
Garand..... killing zombies for the last 70 years.
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 5:48:40 PM EST
Originally Posted By HunterKiller87:
Which one should i get? Savage 111FCNS (~$550) or a Remington 700 (~$700)? It will be used for deer and zombies. Please explain your decision, and if you vote for the Remington, what am I gaining with the extra $150?


Either or. If you wish to customize with a bedded stock and barrel free float etc, I'd go with the Remington. Other than that, the Savage will do just fine.

One thing. Good deer rifles have good glass. Stay away from the Chinese gun show crap.
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 5:49:00 PM EST
Remington 700 in .308, that's the .30-06 I'd buy if I was in the market.
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 5:50:19 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/15/2011 5:56:53 PM EST by Badlatitude]
Unless you are shooting deer at range you really dont need a scoped bolt gun to pop whitetails. Out of idk 30 rifles and shotguns I could hunt deer with my marlin lever action .44mag and my 28in field barrel mod choke rem 1100 have killed more deer than the rest combined.

If this is your first deer rifle. I would go for light , simple and reliable. Follow up shots with a scoped bolt gun are a pain in the ass. Especially if you have the opportunity to take an antlered then an anterless at the same time. This isnt to say I dont have multiple scoped deer rifles. Just trying to share a little input from the last 16 years of shooting dumb ass deer.


ETA im a savage fan but voted remington. I own bolth a 700 and a savage 110. Im jut not a fan of the accutrigger.
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 6:09:07 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/15/2011 6:09:51 PM EST by Canoer]

Originally Posted By HunterKiller87:
Which one should i get?
M-1 Garand.

Please explain your decision.
It kicks more ass than the other two combined.
It pings.
Walt Kowalski endorses it.
General Patton endorses it.
It pings.
It rains down 8 rounds of unmitigated hell upon an enemy faster than you can work your bolt.
It won World War II.
Everybody's grandfather endorses it.
It is THE classic American service rifle.
It's a genuine piece of American military history.

It pings when it's hungry for more food. The rifles you mentioned don't do that.

The choice is more than obvious.
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 6:11:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/15/2011 6:12:04 PM EST by ElectricSheep556]
I got the Savage (although not exactly in that configuration). It was cheap, shoots as well as I can shoot, and it drops deer just the same as any other 30-06.
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 6:19:00 PM EST
Winchester.
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 6:20:06 PM EST
You should buy the Garand you didn't list as a choice. Better yet, build one.
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 6:20:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/15/2011 6:21:14 PM EST by RED_5]
Originally Posted By Canoer:

Originally Posted By HunterKiller87:
Which one should i get?
M-1 Garand.

Please explain yourdecision.
It kicks more ass than the other two combined.
It pings.
Walt Kowalski endorses it.
General Patton endorses it.
It pings.
It rains down 8 rounds of unmitigated hell upon an enemy faster than you can work your bolt.
It won World War II.
Everybody's grandfather endorses it.
It is THE classic American service rifle.
It's a genuine piece of American military history.

It pings when it's hungry for more food. The rifles you mentioned don't do that.

The choice is more than obvious.


+87


eta: if you can't man-up and get one, then the Rem 700 comes in 2nd.
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 6:21:19 PM EST
Originally Posted By Canoer:

Originally Posted By HunterKiller87:
Which one should i get?
M-1 Garand.

Please explain yourdecision.
It kicks more ass than the other two combined.
It pings.
Walt Kowalski endorses it.
General Patton endorses it.
It pings.
It rains down 8 rounds of unmitigated hell upon an enemy faster than you can work your bolt.
It won World War II.
Everybody's grandfather endorses it.
It is THE classic American service rifle.
It's a genuine piece of American military history.

It pings when it's hungry for more food. The rifles you mentioned don't do that.

The choice is more than obvious.


Damn....You're in sales arent you.
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 6:22:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/15/2011 6:23:20 PM EST by FluffyTheCat]


You might want to look for a used Husqvarna 640. These are built on FN 98 Mauser actions. They are beautiful rifles and they feature controlled round feeding. Parts abound and these rifles are extremely accurate.

I have two in .30-06 caliber and they both shoot sub MOA with handloads.

Lots of these rifles came to North America from Sweden and you should be able to find one if you look around.


Fluffy
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 6:23:39 PM EST
I'd go with the Savage and spend the rest on Ammo, Glass, Bipod. Just as good a shooter as the 700 and less $, WINNING!
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 6:24:54 PM EST
US Rifle M1 Caliber .30
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 6:25:41 PM EST
Buy base model savage.

Remove stock and throw in trash.

Buy a better stock (bell and carlson has good stocks for fairly good prices)

Apply duracoat (either yourself or find a smith to do it for $100) in the color and pattern of your choosing. Note this is for their blued guns, their bluing sucks ass. SS is GTG.

Attach scope of your choice.

Better product than remington for about the same price.
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 6:32:39 PM EST

Originally Posted By RDP:
Garand..... killing zombies for the last 70 years.


Link Posted: 3/15/2011 6:33:49 PM EST
Originally Posted By FluffyTheCat:


You might want to look for a used Husqvarna 640. These are built on FN 98 Mauser actions. They are beautiful rifles and they feature controlled round feeding. Parts abound and these rifles are extremely accurate.

I have two in .30-06 caliber and they both shoot sub MOA with handloads.

Lots of these rifles came to North America from Sweden and you should be able to find one if you look around.


Fluffy


Excellent suggestion.
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 6:37:37 PM EST
Winchester M70, FN production.
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 6:37:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/15/2011 6:43:29 PM EST by Interceptor_Knight]
Howa 1500 w/Hogue Stock and scope package. For around $500 you have a rifle that will shoot great, have a decent stock and a scope that is fine for killing deer to zombies....
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 6:48:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By Interceptor_Knight:
Howa 1500 w/Hogue Stock and scope package. For around $500 you have a rifle that will shoot great, have a decent stock and a scope that is fine for killing deer to zombies....

This, or an M1.
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 6:54:26 PM EST
Tikka T3...but whatever.
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 6:55:54 PM EST
I've thought really hard about this, actually, though I'm looking long-action, not short.

Both are clearly very good rifles. Both will shoot better than you will.

There are tons more accessories for the Remington. That, I think, is the principal advantage.

That said, I clearly haven't bought anything. so...
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 7:10:42 PM EST
Savage is the cheaper route to go if you are tight on funds. I prefer the Remington myself.
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 7:12:09 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/15/2011 7:12:41 PM EST by 45ProCarry]
Doubletap
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 7:21:49 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/15/2011 7:25:02 PM EST by Rob762]
I'd lean towards the Savage

Love the accutrigger, and when you get a wild hair to start shooting some wildcat cartridge you can rebarrel it in your garage
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 7:23:33 PM EST
.308
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 7:25:09 PM EST
I have a Savage 116 30-06 with Nikon glass on it. I really like it.
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 7:26:13 PM EST
A-bolt (white gold medallion) out of the running?

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Link Posted: 3/15/2011 7:27:20 PM EST
Originally Posted By RDP:
Garand..... killing zombies for the last 70 years.


The first post wins and is as cheap as your lower cost option.
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 7:29:33 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/15/2011 7:40:19 PM EST by Bob243]
I'd probably go with the Savage, put the extra $150 towards optics



ETA, since everyone is adding things not listed, I would look at a Tikka
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 7:31:56 PM EST
Originally Posted By Danner130:
.308


Meh, why?

If his primary use is for a deer rifle, bullet weight flexibility and ammo availability are valid considerations and both things that the .30-06 excels over the .308 with.

I got a .308 for my deer rifle and I regret not going with a -06.
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 7:32:58 PM EST
Originally Posted By Canoer:

Originally Posted By HunterKiller87:
Which one should i get?
M-1 Garand.

Please explain yourdecision.
It kicks more ass than the other two combined.
It pings.
Walt Kowalski endorses it.
General Patton endorses it.
It pings.
It rains down 8 rounds of unmitigated hell upon an enemy faster than you can work your bolt.
It won World War II.
Everybody's grandfather endorses it.
It is THE classic American service rifle.
It's a genuine piece of American military history.

It pings when it's hungry for more food. The rifles you mentioned don't do that.

The choice is more than obvious.


It accepts a bayonet and the rifle itself is a suitable club if needed, but makes an excellent short pike with said attached bayonet.
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 7:33:24 PM EST
Originally Posted By pepe-lepew:
Originally Posted By RDP:
Garand..... killing zombies for the last 70 years.


The first post wins and is as cheap as your lower cost option.


First post loses. Heavier, no optics, clip capacity probably restricted by Illinois law, (Is semi-auto even allowed up there? )

He's deer hunting. One MAYBE two rounds. He's not landing on Iwo Jima.
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 7:34:24 PM EST
Originally Posted By SUPER_SIX_ONE:
Remington 700 in .308, that's the .30-06 I'd buy if I was in the market.


Buddy just bought one. Teaching him how to load .308. Great gun.
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 7:37:48 PM EST
Originally Posted By JohnnyP:
Winchester.


Classic controlled feed action
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 7:38:20 PM EST

Originally Posted By Plumbata:
Originally Posted By pepe-lepew:
Originally Posted By RDP:
Garand..... killing zombies for the last 70 years.


The first post wins and is as cheap as your lower cost option.


First post loses. Heavier, no optics, clip capacity probably restricted by Illinois law, (Is semi-auto even allowed up there? )

He's deer hunting. One MAYBE two rounds. He's not landing on Iwo Jima.


Link Posted: 3/15/2011 7:38:31 PM EST
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 7:40:10 PM EST
Originally Posted By SGB:
I'd go with the Savage and put the savings toward better glass.


That is exactally what I did, ditched the Simmons scope that it came with and put a nicer Nikon on it.
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 7:41:02 PM EST
Neither get a Winchester M70
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 7:42:31 PM EST
Originally Posted By Plumbata:
Originally Posted By pepe-lepew:
Originally Posted By RDP:
Garand..... killing zombies for the last 70 years.


The first post wins and is as cheap as your lower cost option.


First post loses. Heavier, no optics, clip capacity probably restricted by Illinois law, (Is semi-auto even allowed up there? )

He's deer hunting. One MAYBE two rounds. He's not landing on Iwo Jima.


And zombies.
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 7:43:40 PM EST
Originally Posted By Plumbata:
Originally Posted By pepe-lepew:
Originally Posted By RDP:
Garand..... killing zombies for the last 70 years.


The first post wins and is as cheap as your lower cost option.


First post loses. Heavier, no optics, clip capacity probably restricted by Illinois law, (Is semi-auto even allowed up there? )

He's deer hunting. One MAYBE two rounds. He's not landing on Iwo Jima.




I prefer to make military arms into hunting and sporting arms by non-permanently modifying them for that use. I find its easier to make a martial arm suitable for hunting than compared to making a hunting rifle a martial arm.
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 7:43:56 PM EST

Originally Posted By R_Fury:
Originally Posted By SGB:
I'd go with the Savage and put the savings toward better glass.


That is exactally what I did, ditched the Simmons scope that it came with and put a nicer Nikon on it.

IMO Nikon is still the best scope for the money. Much brighter and clearer than the Leupold in the same price range. (Even though they went up about $100 in the last 7 years )
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 7:44:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By Rob762:
I'd lean towards the Savage

Love the accutrigger, and when you get a wild hair to start shooting some wildcat cartridge you can rebarrel it in your garage

This is why I just picked up a Savage 10 in .308 as my first bolt gun. When I tire of the .308, I'll rebarrel it myself with a barrel chambered for one of the 6.5mm cartridges.
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 7:45:00 PM EST
700
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 7:46:26 PM EST
Get the one that feeds itself and then pings for more.
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 7:47:50 PM EST
Originally Posted By LuvBUSHmaster:
Originally Posted By Plumbata:
Originally Posted By pepe-lepew:
Originally Posted By RDP:
Garand..... killing zombies for the last 70 years.


The first post wins and is as cheap as your lower cost option.


First post loses. Heavier, no optics, clip capacity probably restricted by Illinois law, (Is semi-auto even allowed up there? )

He's deer hunting. One MAYBE two rounds. He's not landing on Iwo Jima.




I prefer to make military arms into hunting and sporting arms by non-permanently modifying them for that use. I find its easier to make a martial arm suitable for hunting than compared to making a hunting rifle a martial arm.


You know, there is a secret answer to that problem. Own both.
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 7:49:27 PM EST
Have you looked at the CZ bolt actions?
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 7:51:34 PM EST
Originally Posted By Plumbata:

First post loses. Heavier, no optics, clip capacity probably restricted by Illinois law, (Is semi-auto even allowed up there? )

He's deer hunting. One MAYBE two rounds. He's not landing on Iwo Jima.


Semi-auto is allowed in Illinois, and where i live there is no clip/mag restrictions, although some other towns around me there is a restriction. I do intend to buy an International Havester M1 Garand eventually, but as you stated, it won't accept a scope and is fairly heavy for what I am doing with it. This will be my first gun that can shoot accurately beyond 300 yards, so it will also be an invaluable training tool.
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 7:51:43 PM EST
Originally Posted By Bob243:

Originally Posted By R_Fury:
Originally Posted By SGB:
I'd go with the Savage and put the savings toward better glass.


That is exactally what I did, ditched the Simmons scope that it came with and put a nicer Nikon on it.

IMO Nikon is still the best scope for the money. Much brighter and clearer than the Leupold in the same price range. (Even though they went up about $100 in the last 7 years )


Yup....the Nikon is great, and they have a really good warrenty as well.
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 8:35:20 PM EST
Originally Posted By DoberDude:
Have you looked at the CZ bolt actions?


I have not. I know the CZ75 is really good. I honestly never thought of CZ as a rifle company. I must now look at what they have. Right when I though I had my selection narrowed down to two.
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 8:42:24 PM EST
hmm, they're both good rifles

take a good look at a Remington 7600 or Tikka T3 Hunter, I own five 06s right now and either one of them will be my sixth
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