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Posted: 9/12/2013 11:58:44 AM EDT
Hi all I am looking for a Rock Island 2011 tactical (full rail) in 10mm, all I see are the non rail ones anyone know where to find the rail one at? I want one to go with my Rock island 45acp. I appreciate any help.

Thanks
Link Posted: 9/12/2013 12:02:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By samsonxd73:
Hi all I am looking for a Rock Island 2011 tactical (full rail) in 10mm, all I see are the non rail ones anyone know where to find the rail one at? I want one to go with my Rock island 45acp. I appreciate any help.

Thanks
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Behind the at.


Sorry, couldn't resist. I heard that phrase my entire childhood from my mother every time I ended a sentence with "at". Can't help with the rock islands, sorry

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Link Posted: 9/12/2013 12:03:10 PM EDT
I have no idea but there seems to be a lot of posts in GD about Rock Island pistols lately.
Link Posted: 9/12/2013 12:05:57 PM EDT
Unless you are an enthusiast, don't bother with 10mm...



Hey, it's a free BTT...
Link Posted: 9/12/2013 12:07:44 PM EDT
There was 1 on Davidson's earlier today.
It is now paid for and enroute to my dealer.
Beat you by a few hours it would appear... plenty of the non railed left.
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There was 1 on Davidson's earlier today.
It is now paid for and enroute to my dealer.
Beat you by a few hours it would appear... plenty of the non railed left.
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Son of gun are they a special order a google search brings the pictures up but there are no listing for anywhere selling them. Congrats though hope you post some pictures up when you get it...if you dont mind saying what was your cost?
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Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Unless you are an enthusiast, don't bother with 10mm...

Hey, it's a free BTT...
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Whys that? I have a Glock 29sf and 20Sf all ready I figure a 10mm would go nicely with my RI 2011 tactical 45acp
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Whys that? I have a Glock 29sf and 20Sf all ready I figure a 10mm would go nicely with my RI 2011 tactical 45acp
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Originally Posted By DriftPunch:

Unless you are an enthusiast, don't bother with 10mm...



Hey, it's a free BTT...




Whys that? I have a Glock 29sf and 20Sf all ready I figure a 10mm would go nicely with my RI 2011 tactical 45acp


For one reason, and one reason alone...



Most factory ammo is downloaded to .40 S&W power, so the potential is wasted.  To get the power of a '10mm', you must either reload, or suck it up and buy expensive boutique ammo.  I'd consider anybody already doing that an enthusiast.  For a regular guy, a 10mm is a bad choice.  It sounds like you are already in the game though...



 
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Unless you are a re-loader and enthusiast or just have so much available cash flow you can waste I'd echo the don't bother with 10mm sentiment.I have a Witness 10 I never shoot.

10mm loads can vary widely be careful any gun you buy can handle the loading.  I'd say get a Glock 20 then get the drop in 6 inch barrel.
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For one reason, and one reason alone...

Most factory ammo is downloaded to .40 S&W power, so the potential is wasted.  To get the power of a '10mm', you must either reload, or suck it up and buy expensive boutique ammo.  I'd consider anybody already doing that an enthusiast.  For a regular guy, a 10mm is a bad choice.  It sounds like you are already in the game though...
 
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Originally Posted By samsonxd73:
Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Unless you are an enthusiast, don't bother with 10mm...

Hey, it's a free BTT...


Whys that? I have a Glock 29sf and 20Sf all ready I figure a 10mm would go nicely with my RI 2011 tactical 45acp

For one reason, and one reason alone...

Most factory ammo is downloaded to .40 S&W power, so the potential is wasted.  To get the power of a '10mm', you must either reload, or suck it up and buy expensive boutique ammo.  I'd consider anybody already doing that an enthusiast.  For a regular guy, a 10mm is a bad choice.  It sounds like you are already in the game though...
 

Yes sir I just bought my buddies dillon 550b so I can start reloading I cant wait.....I was thinking you were going to say something was bad about the 1911 platform in 10mm glad that was not the case
Link Posted: 9/12/2013 12:47:05 PM EDT
Anybody know what these cost?  Seems like it would be a fun fire breather with some hot hand loads.  I don't have any 10mm's yet and I think it would be fun to add one someday.        
 
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Yes sir I just bought my buddies dillon 550b so I can start reloading I cant wait.....I was thinking you were going to say something was bad about the 1911 platform in 10mm glad that was not the case
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Originally Posted By samsonxd73:
Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Originally Posted By samsonxd73:
Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Unless you are an enthusiast, don't bother with 10mm...

Hey, it's a free BTT...


Whys that? I have a Glock 29sf and 20Sf all ready I figure a 10mm would go nicely with my RI 2011 tactical 45acp

For one reason, and one reason alone...

Most factory ammo is downloaded to .40 S&W power, so the potential is wasted.  To get the power of a '10mm', you must either reload, or suck it up and buy expensive boutique ammo.  I'd consider anybody already doing that an enthusiast.  For a regular guy, a 10mm is a bad choice.  It sounds like you are already in the game though...
 

Yes sir I just bought my buddies dillon 550b so I can start reloading I cant wait.....I was thinking you were going to say something was bad about the 1911 platform in 10mm glad that was not the case



Initially the 1911 platform did not handle the higher loadings well IIRC.
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Anybody know what these cost?  Seems like it would be a fun fire breather with some hot hand loads.  I don't have any 10mm's yet and I think it would be fun to add one someday.          
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A Glock 20 will run you $550ish, again if you are not a re-loader I'd stay away.  10mms tend to be money pits.
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Whys that? I have a Glock 29sf and 20Sf all ready I figure a 10mm would go nicely with my RI 2011 tactical 45acp
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Originally Posted By DriftPunch:

Unless you are an enthusiast, don't bother with 10mm...



Hey, it's a free BTT...




Whys that? I have a Glock 29sf and 20Sf all ready I figure a 10mm would go nicely with my RI 2011 tactical 45acp


Ive never owned a 10mm , but want one badly someday . . . . just as a plinker . Im thinking an STI once I get working again , maybe.



 
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Unless you are a re-loader and enthusiast or just have so much available cash flow you can waste I'd echo the don't bother with 10mm sentiment.I have a Witness 10 I never shoot.

10mm loads can vary widely be careful any gun you buy can handle the loading.  I'd say get a Glock 20 then get the drop in 6 inch barrel.
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Got the 20sf and 29sf ordered a lonewolf 6.61" barrel
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Initially the 1911 platform did not handle the higher loadings well IIRC.

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I guess this is part of the reason why many don't complain about the popular weak loadings.



Mine is a 1006, so I'm good.  This being said, it's more of a collectable than a pistol in the range rotation.



 
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I guess this is part of the reason why many don't complain about the popular weak loadings.

Mine is a 1006, so I'm good.  This being said, it's more of a collectable than a pistol in the range rotation.
 
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Originally Posted By Mattl:



Initially the 1911 platform did not handle the higher loadings well IIRC.

I guess this is part of the reason why many don't complain about the popular weak loadings.

Mine is a 1006, so I'm good.  This being said, it's more of a collectable than a pistol in the range rotation.
 



No expert but the PSI difference fro 45acp to 10mm is big and too 10mm Norma or +P is massive.  I have heard and read the stories that the initial FBI test guns were 1911s and had serious wear and tear issues.  Then there are the handling issues that come with weak or female agents, hence 40 "short and weak".
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Ive never owned a 10mm , but want one badly someday . . . . just as a plinker . Im thinking an STI once I get working again , maybe.
 
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Originally Posted By samsonxd73:
Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Unless you are an enthusiast, don't bother with 10mm...

Hey, it's a free BTT...


Whys that? I have a Glock 29sf and 20Sf all ready I figure a 10mm would go nicely with my RI 2011 tactical 45acp

Ive never owned a 10mm , but want one badly someday . . . . just as a plinker . Im thinking an STI once I get working again , maybe.
 


The STI Big 10 looks like a sweet pistol I have a STI escort that is flawless but STI costs more then I want to spend for this project.  Good luck and hope you pick one up.
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No expert but the PSI difference fro 45acp to 10mm is big and too 10mm Norma or +P is massive.  I have heard and read the stories that the initial FBI test guns were 1911s and had serious wear and tear issues.  Then there are the handling issues that come with weak or female agents, hence 40 "short and weak".
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Originally Posted By Mattl:
Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Originally Posted By Mattl:



Initially the 1911 platform did not handle the higher loadings well IIRC.

I guess this is part of the reason why many don't complain about the popular weak loadings.

Mine is a 1006, so I'm good.  This being said, it's more of a collectable than a pistol in the range rotation.
 



No expert but the PSI difference fro 45acp to 10mm is big and too 10mm Norma or +P is massive.  I have heard and read the stories that the initial FBI test guns were 1911s and had serious wear and tear issues.  Then there are the handling issues that come with weak or female agents, hence 40 "short and weak".


So......is the RI 1911 with say heavy 10mm loads not as "tough" as the glock? Would Iit be a mistake to get one?
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So......is the RI 1911 with say heavy 10mm loads not as "tough" as the glock? Would Iit be a mistake to get one?
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Originally Posted By Mattl:


Originally Posted By DriftPunch:


Originally Posted By Mattl:
Initially the 1911 platform did not handle the higher loadings well IIRC.



I guess this is part of the reason why many don't complain about the popular weak loadings.



Mine is a 1006, so I'm good.  This being said, it's more of a collectable than a pistol in the range rotation.

 






No expert but the PSI difference fro 45acp to 10mm is big and too 10mm Norma or +P is massive.  I have heard and read the stories that the initial FBI test guns were 1911s and had serious wear and tear issues.  Then there are the handling issues that come with weak or female agents, hence 40 "short and weak".





So......is the RI 1911 with say heavy 10mm loads not as "tough" as the glock? Would Iit be a mistake to get one?


All I can say is that you don't hear any complaints about Glock 10mms.



This site, sent to me by an arfcommer, is very helpful with all things 10mm:



http://www.bren-ten.com/website/id7.html



 
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Unless you are a re-loader and enthusiast or just have so much available cash flow you can waste I'd echo the don't bother with 10mm sentiment.I have a Witness 10 I never shoot.

10mm loads can vary widely be careful any gun you buy can handle the loading.  I'd say get a Glock 20 then get the drop in 6 inch barrel.
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This.

I've got a Delta Elite that spends its days wrapped in an oily towel, tucked into the corner of my safe.
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Originally Posted By DriftPunch:

All I can say is that you don't hear any complaints about Glock 10mms.

This site, sent to me by an arfcommer, is very helpful with all things 10mm:

http://www.bren-ten.com/website/id7.html
 
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Originally Posted By samsonxd73:
Originally Posted By Mattl:
Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Originally Posted By Mattl:



Initially the 1911 platform did not handle the higher loadings well IIRC.

I guess this is part of the reason why many don't complain about the popular weak loadings.

Mine is a 1006, so I'm good.  This being said, it's more of a collectable than a pistol in the range rotation.
 



No expert but the PSI difference fro 45acp to 10mm is big and too 10mm Norma or +P is massive.  I have heard and read the stories that the initial FBI test guns were 1911s and had serious wear and tear issues.  Then there are the handling issues that come with weak or female agents, hence 40 "short and weak".


So......is the RI 1911 with say heavy 10mm loads not as "tough" as the glock? Would Iit be a mistake to get one?

All I can say is that you don't hear any complaints about Glock 10mms.

This site, sent to me by an arfcommer, is very helpful with all things 10mm:

http://www.bren-ten.com/website/id7.html
 


This.  If you are running hot loads I'd start and end with the Glock.
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This.  If you are running hot loads I'd start and end with the Glock.
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I'm picking up my RIA today, IMO my Glock is too damn light for the loads I run through it.
Link Posted: 9/12/2013 1:15:52 PM EDT
Maybe I need to reconsider then and just keep my 1911's 45acp then, anyone shot the heavy 10mm out of the Rock? My 2011 tactical 45acp is awesome I was hoping the 10 would be just as rugged as the Glocks but of course be in the beloved 1911 package.
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I'm picking up my RIA today, IMO my Glock is too damn light for the loads I run through it.
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Originally Posted By Mattl:
This.  If you are running hot loads I'd start and end with the Glock.

I'm picking up my RIA today, IMO my Glock is too damn light for the loads I run through it.


I thought of that too my Rock 45 is heavier then my Glock 20.
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I thought of that too my Rock 45 is heavier then my Glock 20.
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Originally Posted By Hahns10mm:
Originally Posted By Mattl:
This.  If you are running hot loads I'd start and end with the Glock.

I'm picking up my RIA today, IMO my Glock is too damn light for the loads I run through it.


I thought of that too my Rock 45 is heavier then my Glock 20.



Steel frame versus polymer frame.  The frames on my Glock 19 or 22 weigh very little.  Probably less than 1/2 of what the slide and barrel weigh.
Link Posted: 9/12/2013 1:41:29 PM EDT
10mm in a pistol made by third world types?. No thanks.
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10mm in a pistol made by third world types?. No thanks.
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I remember a "Hi-Point" 10mm thread.  I'd have 3X the confidence in a RIA 10mm than I would a Hi-Point, my shooting hand would not go anywhere near that.
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I thought of that too my Rock 45 is heavier then my Glock 20.
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Originally Posted By Hahns10mm:
Originally Posted By Mattl:
This.  If you are running hot loads I'd start and end with the Glock.

I'm picking up my RIA today, IMO my Glock is too damn light for the loads I run through it.


I thought of that too my Rock 45 is heavier then my Glock 20.

Weight has nothing to do with strength.On a 10mm 1911 I'd want tool steel parts,forged frame,ect.
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I remember a "Hi-Point" 10mm thread.  I'd have 3X the confidence in a RIA 10mm than I would a Hi-Point, my shooting hand would not go anywhere near that.
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Originally Posted By weptek911:
10mm in a pistol made by third world types?. No thanks.



I remember a "Hi-Point" 10mm thread.  I'd have 3X the confidence in a RIA 10mm than I would a Hi-Point, my shooting hand would not go anywhere near that.


Actually you might rethink that.  These guys tried to blow up a Hi-Point, and it was disturbing what it actually took.  
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