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Posted: 10/7/2007 1:56:25 PM EST
This review is available with maps in table form here: Carry Review

Ranking of States from the perspective of maximum Concealed Carry Permit Recognition (Updated as of 10-7-07) (Data from http://handgunlaw.us)
Ranking system:
Number of States that recognize your permit at all = primary consideration
Number of States that recognize your non-resident permit (if one is issued): secondary consideration (tie breaker)
One half additional point awarded to States that do not require a permit to carry concealed weapons

The info is laid out as follows:
Name
Ranking (1=most recognition; 2=next most; etc.)
Number of States that recognize their resident permits
Number of States that recognize their non-resident permits


Gold Star 30+ States


Michigan
1
34
29
<­BR>Tennessee
2
34
27

Alaska2.5 (No permit required in AK)
33
NA

Missouri
3
33NA

North Carolina
4
32
NA

Oklahoma
­4
32
NA

Utah
5
31
28
Florida
5
31
26

Louisian­a
6
31
NA

Kentucky
6
31­
NA

Texas
7
30
25

<­BR>
Silver Star 20+ States


Colorado
8
28
NA
<­BR>Arizona
9
27
22

Wyoming10
27
NA

Arkansas
10
27NA

Montana
11
25
NA

­South Dakota
11
25
NA

Ohio
1125
NA

Idaho
12
24
21
<­BR>North Dakota
13
24
20

Pennsylvania<­BR>14
24
19

Mississippi
1524
NA

Indiana
16
23
19
Alabama
17
23
NA

Georgia­
17
23
NA

South Carolina
18
22
20

Virginia19
22
19

New Hampshire
19
22
19

Kansas
­20
22
NA

New Mexico
21
21
NA

Delaware
2­2
20
NA

West Virginia
22
20
NA



Bronze Star 10+ States

Washington
23
19
18
Minnesota
24
16
14

Nevada25
16 (This should improve shortly, now that they extended recognition to several more States recently)
14

Nebraska
26
16NA

New Jersey
27
15
13

Iowa
2814
13

New York
28
14
13

Connecticut
­28
14
13

Maryland
28
1413

Massachusetts
28
14
13
Hawaii
29
14
NA

Californ­ia
29
14
NA

Oregon
30
1­3
12

Rhode Island
30
13
12

Maine
3112
11



Somewhat Honorable Mention <10 States


Washington, DC
32
8
NA

Vermont
32.5
NA (But no permit required in VT, so we give them an honorary .5 point, and applaud them for that)
NA



States that just flat FAIL


Wisconsin
0
NA
NA

I­llinois
0
NA
NA

<­BR>

Link Posted: 10/7/2007 2:07:52 PM EST
Your VA map is wrong. WV does honor the VA permit. Looks like CO does not honor the VA permit.

Also, the VA permit is good in:

AR, TX, NM per the VCDL
Link Posted: 10/7/2007 2:14:23 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2007 2:15:59 PM EST by LouisianaCarry]

Originally Posted By packnru:
Your VA map is wrong. WV does honor the VA permit. Looks like CO does not honor the VA permit.

Also, the VA permit is good in:

AR, TX, NM per the VCDL


If you could, would you send the links/pertinent info to the webmasters of handgunlaw [admins-at-handgunlaw.us] so that they can update their maps? That is how they stay current, and (since packing.org is down) they are the biggest/best source of info that I know of.

Link Posted: 10/7/2007 2:15:17 PM EST
And MD is a might issue if you're LEO, or can show just cause. For the regular Joe, fergettaboutit. Ain't gonna happen. Sure, you can carry other places, but you have to get it first.
WV has come a long way this year. LONG way!
Link Posted: 10/7/2007 2:28:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By LouisianaCarry:

Originally Posted By packnru:
Your VA map is wrong. WV does honor the VA permit. Looks like CO does not honor the VA permit.

Also, the VA permit is good in:

AR, TX, NM per the VCDL


If you could, would you send the links/pertinent info to the webmasters of handgunlaw [admins-at-handgunlaw.us] so that they can update their maps? That is how they stay current, and (since packing.org is down) they are the biggest/best source of info that I know of.



Done.
Link Posted: 10/7/2007 2:31:50 PM EST
We gotta catch up
Link Posted: 10/7/2007 2:32:35 PM EST
You also need to add a category

'Recognizes other state's permits'
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 8:03:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By Silence:
You also need to add a category

'Recognizes other state's permits'


Too much work, I already had to shirk more important duties to accomplish this. Good idea, though!
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 8:06:24 AM EST
It's pretty surprising that MI is first in any type of nationwide pro-gun thing.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 8:07:08 AM EST
We just had a bill signed that I believe gives us full reciprocity with 26 states.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 8:09:08 AM EST
TN's in good shape.

Link Posted: 10/8/2007 8:12:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By silverc:
It's pretty surprising that MI is first in any type of nationwide pro-gun thing.


Things may suck here job wise but the one thing our Canadian Governess does well is ineptitude, and she has allowed all kinds of things to happen on her watch, thank God.

CCW, Castle doctrine, Class III...
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 8:14:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/8/2007 8:14:47 AM EST by SJSAMPLE]

Originally Posted By silverc:
It's pretty surprising that MI is first in any type of nationwide pro-gun thing.


It is strange, because Michigan is "Johnny Come Lately" to this game.

But good on Michigan for catching up and taking the lead (in this statistic), that is.

I'm sure other stats/factors would not view Michigan as highly.
1. # of overall permits.
2. Permits per capita.
3. Permit issuance times and delays.

Not to mention Michigan's problem with Class III items (friggin AG).
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 8:16:18 AM EST

Originally Posted By SJSAMPLE:

Originally Posted By silverc:
It's pretty surprising that MI is first in any type of nationwide pro-gun thing.


It is strange, because Michigan is "Johnny Come Lately" to this game.

But good on Michigan for catching up and taking the lead (in this statistic), that is.

I'm sure other stats/factors would not view Michigan as highly.
1. # of overall permits.
2. Permits per capita.
3. Permit issuance times and delays.

Not to mention Michigan's problem with Class III items (friggin AG).


Don't hate, yo...

BTW the AG is the guy that's pro-CIII... Cox is the best thing to happen to our 2A rights in a long time...
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 8:21:45 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/8/2007 8:23:41 AM EST by SJSAMPLE]

Originally Posted By macman37:

Originally Posted By SJSAMPLE:

Originally Posted By silverc:
It's pretty surprising that MI is first in any type of nationwide pro-gun thing.


It is strange, because Michigan is "Johnny Come Lately" to this game.

But good on Michigan for catching up and taking the lead (in this statistic), that is.

I'm sure other stats/factors would not view Michigan as highly.
1. # of overall permits.
2. Permits per capita.
3. Permit issuance times and delays.

Not to mention Michigan's problem with Class III items (friggin AG).


Don't hate, yo...

BTW the AG is the guy that's pro-CIII... Cox is the best thing to happen to our 2A rights in a long time...


Hey, I'm a Michigan boy and began working for a CCW when I returned from active duty in 1992. They immediately made me register my pistols and I needed a pre-signed card to buy any more.

I moved to Indiana for work in 1994 (the rest of MI will experience that, shortly) and now live in a state that FAR outshines Michigan's statistical dominance in this one area.

I've had a CCW since 1994 and we get ALL the good toys.

Come visit, Playa.

And for AG, I'm thinking all the way back to that douchebag Frank Kelly and his "decrees".
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 8:25:36 AM EST
How about garrison commanders that say there soldiers can't ccw in a state where everyone and there mom can carry...and does. God I love the army. I can carry a gun 24/7 now but in 37 days I can't carry one at all. But I can drink me some beer so that almost works out seeing I wouldn't be carrying while drinking anyway
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 8:42:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By nickforney:
How about garrison commanders that say there soldiers can't ccw in a state where everyone and there mom can carry...and does. God I love the army. I can carry a gun 24/7 now but in 37 days I can't carry one at all. But I can drink me some beer so that almost works out seeing I wouldn't be carrying while drinking anyway


Have you written your senator and representative about that?
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 9:29:39 AM EST
well yessir I have as well as someone from the NRA whom said it was an issue they had heard alot about as well as on other posts. I also talked to my home town reps from Iowa to which I had a minor connection. No help there thus far. Kinda been busy the last few months though.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 9:31:21 AM EST
Virginia gets hung up because our permit is a "Permit To Carry A Concealed Handgun" and other states call theirs a permit to carry a concealed "weapon".

That's stopped or slowed reciprocity agreements.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 9:37:22 AM EST
If we could get rid of Doyle we'd have CCW.

Link Posted: 10/8/2007 9:37:40 AM EST
Wow! I'm surprised NC beat TX and FL.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 9:52:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/8/2007 9:52:31 AM EST by Aarons419]
I was pleasantly surprised to see that OK was 4th, that's good stuff....now if only I could find a place to go shoot that isn't infested with crazy people muzzle sweeping everyone
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 9:55:38 AM EST
what the hell is wrong w/ SC? Their reciprocity w/ other states sucks!
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 9:59:38 AM EST
As far as New Germany Jersey goes, all I can say is
WHAT A BUNCH OF HORSE SHIT

Ordinary law abiding citizens subjects of the Garden State cannot get carry permits. You must have both your local Chief LEO and a Superior Court Judge in your home county sign off after providing them just cause for issuance. Yes, work-only restricted permits are issued for armored car employees, but with restrictions of on-duty carry only. But for the ordinary law abiding merchant who needs to carry large amounts of cash or jewelry, they are told to hire a guard service. No carry permits for the average Joe. Want to be a gangbanger, no problem. They're all carrying. They could give a shit about breaking the law. They've been breaking laws all their lives. No big deal.

And NJ doesn't recognize any other state's permits. Not a single fucking one.

So who carries in Jersey?
Jersey cops and the bad guys.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:01:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By rcr29:
what the hell is wrong w/ SC? Their reciprocity w/ other states sucks!


Yeah, I live in Oklahoma but my parents live in SC
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:29:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By njJoniGuy:
As far as New Germany Jersey goes, all I can say is
WHAT A BUNCH OF HORSE SHIT

Ordinary law abiding citizens subjects of the Garden State cannot get carry permits. You must have both your local Chief LEO and a Superior Court Judge in your home county sign off after providing them just cause for issuance. Yes, work-only restricted permits are issued for armored car employees, but with restrictions of on-duty carry only. But for the ordinary law abiding merchant who needs to carry large amounts of cash or jewelry, they are told to hire a guard service. No carry permits for the average Joe. Want to be a gangbanger, no problem. They're all carrying. They could give a shit about breaking the law. They've been breaking laws all their lives. No big deal.

And NJ doesn't recognize any other state's permits. Not a single fucking one.

So who carries in Jersey?
Jersey cops and the bad guys.


I have to agree, NJ Failed
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 10:32:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By Bobby_the_Hun:

Originally Posted By njJoniGuy:
As far as New Germany Jersey goes, all I can say is
WHAT A BUNCH OF HORSE SHIT

Ordinary law abiding citizens subjects of the Garden State cannot get carry permits. You must have both your local Chief LEO and a Superior Court Judge in your home county sign off after providing them just cause for issuance. Yes, work-only restricted permits are issued for armored car employees, but with restrictions of on-duty carry only. But for the ordinary law abiding merchant who needs to carry large amounts of cash or jewelry, they are told to hire a guard service. No carry permits for the average Joe. Want to be a gangbanger, no problem. They're all carrying. They could give a shit about breaking the law. They've been breaking laws all their lives. No big deal.

And NJ doesn't recognize any other state's permits. Not a single fucking one.

So who carries in Jersey?
Jersey cops and the bad guys.


I have to agree, NJ Failed


Another example of statistics being misused.
Just because it's technically feasible, doesn't mean that it's a practical fact.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 11:45:27 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Aarons419:
I was pleasantly surprised to see that OK was 4th, that's good stuff....now if only I could find a place to go shoot that isn't infested with crazy people muzzle sweeping everyone he
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 11:52:09 AM EST
We recognize everyone's permits.

Link Posted: 10/8/2007 7:47:45 PM EST

Originally Posted By TheCynic:
We recognize everyone's permits.



Yeah, but no one recognizes yours.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 8:03:37 PM EST

Originally Posted By LouisianaCarry:

Originally Posted By TheCynic:
We recognize everyone's permits.

Yeah, but no one recognizes yours.

Alaska does.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 8:05:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By TheCynic:

Originally Posted By LouisianaCarry:

Originally Posted By TheCynic:
We recognize everyone's permits.

Yeah, but no one recognizes yours.

Alaska does.


LOL! You got me there.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 8:19:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By macman37:

Originally Posted By silverc:
It's pretty surprising that MI is first in any type of nationwide pro-gun thing.


Things may suck here job wise but the one thing our Canadian Governess does well is ineptitude, and she has allowed all kinds of things to happen on her watch, thank God.

CCW, Castle doctrine, Class III...


Machine guns yes, supressors, SBRs and SBS no. Right?
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 8:23:23 PM EST

Originally Posted By Pita_146:
If we could get rid of Doyle we'd have CCW.



What and leave us alone? What would be the fun in that?
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 8:25:01 PM EST
Alabama isn't a shall issue state?

Link Posted: 10/8/2007 8:39:00 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/9/2007 2:20:22 AM EST

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By macman37:

Originally Posted By silverc:
It's pretty surprising that MI is first in any type of nationwide pro-gun thing.


Things may suck here job wise but the one thing our Canadian Governess does well is ineptitude, and she has allowed all kinds of things to happen on her watch, thank God.

CCW, Castle doctrine, Class III...


Machine guns yes, supressors, SBRs and SBS no. Right?


You know, I'd have to check... I know machine guns are GTG, and I *thought* SBRs/SBSs were too, and the only sticking point was suppressors but I could swear I even saw those being discussed in the hometown forum...
Link Posted: 10/9/2007 2:32:35 AM EST
Holy shit! There is finally SOMETHING MI that rates better than other states at.
Link Posted: 10/9/2007 2:36:55 AM EST

Originally Posted By macman37:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By macman37:

Originally Posted By silverc:
It's pretty surprising that MI is first in any type of nationwide pro-gun thing.


Things may suck here job wise but the one thing our Canadian Governess does well is ineptitude, and she has allowed all kinds of things to happen on her watch, thank God.

CCW, Castle doctrine, Class III...


Machine guns yes, supressors, SBRs and SBS no. Right?


You know, I'd have to check... I know machine guns are GTG, and I *thought* SBRs/SBSs were too, and the only sticking point was suppressors but I could swear I even saw those being discussed in the hometown forum...


No SBRs yet. (That I know of). Good on the AG for the machine guns, but I am more interested in SBRs and suppressors.
Link Posted: 10/9/2007 2:42:57 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/9/2007 3:17:26 AM EST

Originally Posted By silverc:
It's pretty surprising that MI is first in any type of nationwide pro-gun thing.


What is ironic is that when Michigan passed their NRA sponsored shall issue CCW law back in 2000 GOA was opposed to it and it said it was the worst law ever.

What is also really interesting is that Missouri just passed their NRA sponsored CCW a couple years ago and they are all the way up to 4th on the list. A couple years prior to that law passing the NRA was dragged through the coals for "selling out the CCW vote".

In both cases the law was sponsored/written by the NRA, in both cases the NRA was bashed repeatedly, but now we see the results of the NRA CCW laws, they are at the top of the list as far as reciprocity. Maybe the NRA knows what they are doing.

Link Posted: 10/9/2007 3:45:15 AM EST
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