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Posted: 5/8/2002 10:00:45 PM EDT
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Nature is NOT human hearted.
-Lao Tzu Evil the the creation of man to define the acts of nature he objects to. Almost no man is entirely good or evil and most man have a great capacity for either. If we were another species our actions would go unnoticed and be excused as the "laws of nature." |
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Posted: 5/8/2002 10:01:45 PM EDT
[#2]
Coke - Good
Pepsi - Evil |
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Posted: 5/8/2002 10:03:43 PM EDT
[#3]
Hollywood
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Posted: 5/8/2002 10:08:27 PM EDT
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Quoted: Coke - Good Pepsi - Evil WRONG! Pepsi is the force of good that is led by Mountain Dew Coke-Pure evil with such cohorts as Mr. Pibb and Surge. [:)] |
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Posted: 5/8/2002 10:09:13 PM EDT
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Just curious, do you believe God is ominpotent?
If so why does he permit evil to even exist? Why did he create Lucifer if he KNEW what would happen? Why didn't he save us from evil? Why does God permit people who will be evil to even be born and prey upon the rest of us? Hell lots of questions... |
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Posted: 5/8/2002 10:12:48 PM EDT
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Quoted: Nature is NOT human hearted. -Lao Tzu Evil the the creation of man to define the acts of nature he objects to. Almost no man is entirely good or evil and most man have a great capacity for either. There are many things that man encounters that he objects to without calling it evil: the weather, laws of nature, his own physical limitations, etc. There's something more to it than that. It seems that "intent" must be part of what we call good or evil. Quoted: If we were another species our actions would go unnoticed and be excused as the "laws of nature." Interesting... |
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Posted: 5/8/2002 10:12:49 PM EDT
[#7]
Freewill
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Posted: 5/8/2002 10:14:14 PM EDT
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They don't really exist its a judgement we pass according to our point of view.
Think of this for instance. The New World Order takes over the US and declares the Constitution Void and gives back all the land white people took away from the Indians. Wouldn't we view the NWO as an evil entity? Wouldn't The Indians view white people as evil? White people unleashed germ warfare and slaughtered millions of their ancestors. Doesn't that make us Evil? Just a point of view. |
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Posted: 5/8/2002 10:15:57 PM EDT
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This is directed to those who are athiests or agnostics. Actually few people are really eather of the above. To be an agnostic you are believing that you can neither prove nor disprove that God exist. So for a person to call themself an agnostic, they must also believe that God must actually exist if they can prove His existance. This proff is readily available thru prayer, meditation, andd other works, yet rarely are they willing to try or experience these acts of proof. If a person calls themself an athiests what they are really saying is that mankind is the pinacle of evolutionary existance that has ever graced this planet. Mankind is the end all and know all of anything that has existed before us. In essence, they would have you to believe that mankind itself is a type of god. Rather vain opinion IMHO. And if a person is a true athiest than any evil action would have no negative impact, since there would be no true consequences to be payed. Killing, rape, murder, etc would be okay. So good comes from God and when mankind is doing God's work. Evil comes from the devil and when mankind does the devils work. If you don't believe this, then I hope someday you will. Sgtar15 PS Try prayer before you discount it. Prayer works[0:)][0:)][0:)] |
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Posted: 5/8/2002 10:17:00 PM EDT
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Quoted: There are many things that man encounters that he objects to without calling it evil: the weather, laws of nature, his own physical limitations, etc. There's something more to it than that. It seems that "intent" must be part of what we call good or evil. But we don't control "weather, laws of nature, our own physical limitations" so we don't assign them human definitions. When the day comes that we can manipulate weather we will do it for both good and evil. When a animal kills another animal is it evil? What if it's not for food or protection of pack? What if it is just a kill? |
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Posted: 5/8/2002 10:24:59 PM EDT
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Quoted: Actually few people are really eather of the above. Not surprisingly I disagree. Quoted: To be an agnostic you are believing that you can neither prove nor disprove that God exist. So for a person to call themself an agnostic, they must also believe that God must actually exist if they can prove His existance. This proff is readily available thru prayer, meditation, andd other works, yet rarely are they willing to try or experience these acts of proof. Most agnostics simply don't know. Your proof of existence has also been used to prove the existence of the Buddha. You don't believe the Buddha is a god do you? Quoted: If a person calls themself an athiests what they are really saying is that mankind is the pinacle of evolutionary existance that has ever graced this planet. Mankind is the end all and know all of anything that has existed before us. In essence, they would have you to believe that mankind itself is a type of god. Not at all true. They simply don't believe in some big invisible guy. Who knows what is out there? Quoted: And if a person is a true athiest than any evil action would have no negative impact, since there would be no true consequences to be payed. Killing, rape, murder, etc would be okay. What pure horseshit. So fear of God is ALL that is keeping you from killing, rape and murder? What an asshole you must be without GOD scaring you into submission. Quoted: So good comes from God and when mankind is doing God's work. Evil comes from the devil and when mankind does the devils work. Was God evil when he made the devil? |
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Posted: 5/8/2002 10:25:31 PM EDT
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Quoted: Just curious, do you believe God is ominpotent? If so why does he permit evil to even exist? Why did he create Lucifer if he KNEW what would happen? Why didn't he save us from evil? Why does God permit people who will be evil to even be born and prey upon the rest of us? Hell lots of questions... Hell lots of answers... Yes I believe God is omnipotent. The question of why God "permits" evil is addressed in the Bible. Without going into a lot of quoting (that's [b]G-man's[/b] forte) I believe God "permits" evil only temporarily. Ultimately, God extinguishes evil, though not in a timeframe that pleases us right now (we be so impatient). Even Jesus "allowed" evil spirits to inhabit a herd of pigs - only later to see the pigs kill themselves. I have faith that God's "time" is not our "time" and so what seems to take thousands of years to rid the world of evil may in reality only be a flittering moment in God's time. We just don't have the view from eternity yet to understand it. That's where faith becomes of value (or a tripping stone as the case may be). |
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Posted: 5/8/2002 10:29:23 PM EDT
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Quoted: Yes I believe God is omnipotent. So if God KNOWS what is going to happen why did he permit the birth of Hitler? Why would he condemn to death the innocents of his most faithful chosen people? And just don't give me the "mysterious ways" thing. Quoted: Even Jesus "allowed" evil spirits to inhabit a herd of pigs - only later to see the pigs kill themselves. What the hell for? Pigs can't even think. They don't know from good or evil. Why make pigs suffer? It is stupid gobblygook like this that drives me nuts. See your post about pigs being possessed and killing themselves is evil in nature... Quoted: I have faith that God's "time" is not our "time" Still a LONG time when Danny Rollings is chopping your head off. We are so impatient... Hey God a little help with this "evil" thing you created... |
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Posted: 5/8/2002 10:30:05 PM EDT
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Quoted: PS Try prayer before you discount it. Prayer works[0:)][0:)][0:)] I'm not discounting it. I know it. |
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Posted: 5/8/2002 10:32:18 PM EDT
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Not at all true. They simply don't believe in some big invisible guy. Who knows what is out there? This staement by you answers your previous questions. Us humans can't possibly know what is out there, hence we don't know and can't fully comprehend everything that God did/does. Belief in God doesn't scare me or stop me from doing things, it allows me to do things. Let me ask you this Steyr Aug. If you really don't believe in any type of God or anything spiritual then why do you even care were you bury a dog when it dies?? Do you thing a dog has an afterlife?? You are a contradiction of your own beliefs. Also, what is it that happened to you that made you such and avid God hater?? Sgtar15 |
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Posted: 5/8/2002 10:33:15 PM EDT
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I think good and evil have to do with feeling in control. I think any social animals possess those two qualities. I used to have a dog that was very friendly and quiet. One time I was trying to take the bone she was chewing on and she got really upset and hostile. She felt that it was her food, and she didn't want to let me have it. I did the same experiment with a tennis ball and she never got upset. Wouldn't you agree that you do evil things when you feel you are not in control? Wouldn't you agree that you do nice things to others if your life is great at the time?
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Posted: 5/8/2002 10:33:18 PM EDT
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Not this discussian AGAIN...
It's simple Evil=AR15 Good = California, Bubba Clinton, Al Gore, Brady Bunch, ect... Hasn't Big Brother tought you anything? |
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Posted: 5/8/2002 10:40:43 PM EDT
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Quoted: This staement by you answers your previous questions. Us humans can't possibly know what is out there, hence we don't know and can't fully comprehend everything that God did/does. It was more to address the "humans are a god to atheists" statement. We may not actually be the biggest fish in the pond. Quoted: Let me ask you this Steyr Aug. If you really don't believe in any type of God or anything spiritual then why do you even care were you bury a dog when it dies?? Do you thing a dog has an afterlife?? You are a contradiction of your own beliefs. Because I take responsibility for things, even after they are no longer viable. My dog is my responsibility in every detail. It is respect. I don't believe in doggy heaven. No contradictions here. Quoted: Also, what is it that happened to you that made you such and avid God hater?? I'd have to believe in a God to hate him. I don't hate the Easter bunny either. |
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Posted: 5/8/2002 10:55:04 PM EDT
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Quoted: So if God KNOWS what is going to happen why did he permit the birth of Hitler? Why would he condemn to death the innocents of his most faithful chosen people? And just don't give me the "mysterious ways" thing. Agreed, the "intentional" deaths of millions of innocents is evil. I believe in the eternal life of our "spirit" after death. And I also believe in the eternal death of Hitler's spirit. I believe Hitler is dead and those innocent millions still live on. Okay I'm rambling... on to your question. God can prevent all evil, but in doing so he would also prevent all [b]free will[/b]. Without free will we are just furry computers running lines of code (which is what some believe we really are). Free will allows for us to choose good or evil. And in doing so, WE choose to live or die. That, I believe, is the ultimate gift of a loving God - our life and our freedom. |
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Posted: 5/8/2002 11:01:21 PM EDT
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Quoted: But we don't control "weather, laws of nature, our own physical limitations" so we don't assign them human definitions. When the day comes that we can manipulate weather we will do it for both good and evil. When a animal kills another animal is it evil? What if it's not for food or protection of pack? What if it is just a kill? Are you saying there is no good or evil? That to kill a two-year-old child is a morally equivalent act as killing Adolf Hitler? |
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Posted: 5/8/2002 11:11:19 PM EDT
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Quoted: And if a person is a true athiest than any evil action would have no negative impact, since there would be no true consequences to be payed. Killing, rape, murder, etc would be okay. ummm...no. an evil action would have many negative impacts. #1. Jail. If you truly believe that the only life you have is here on earth, why the fuck would you want to spend it in prison??? #2. Death. An early death at the hands of others who deem your actions to have been against the will of society. #3. Conscience. Doing something you know to be wrong unto someone else ends up knawing at you for the rest of your life. Organized religion is just a device of society to keep the peons in line. Why do you think their are so many born again christians in prison...they really fucked up this life, so their only hope is that there is an afterlife. Besides, all you have to do is confess and then all of your sins are absolved.(that sounds healthy for society[rolleyes]) **Edited because...because...because the devil made me do it. |
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Posted: 5/8/2002 11:15:55 PM EDT
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Quoted: I think good and evil have to do with feeling in control. Wouldn't you agree that you do evil things when you feel you are not in control? Wouldn't you agree that you do nice things to others if your life is great at the time? Janet Reno was in total control when she torched the Branch Davidians. In fact it might have been the feeling of having such power at her disposal that fueled her evilness. |
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Posted: 5/8/2002 11:36:53 PM EDT
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Quoted: Hey God a little help with this "evil" thing you created... The notion that God (if he exists) is responsible for creating evil or that he is wrong in permitting evil is not consistent with the nature of God, man and free will. God creates the world that is best. A world with free will is better than one without it. Man has free will. Free will IN man necessitates that choices must be made BY man. Given free will, it is impossible for a man to choose ONLY good (or else he would, by definition, be "God"). God is not responsible for a man's evil choices, since it is not in his power to bring about a man that ONLY chooses good (because that wouldn't be a "man" then). God created free will in man, man performs the acts of good or evil through his free will. God created the potential for evil, a man with free will makes evil actual. The absence of evil necessitates there be no free will. The presence of free will necessitates the existance of some evil. Bottom-line: [b]Apparently, many people (athiests mainly) believe that that absence of all evil is more desirable than freedom (free will).[/b] |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 5:54:28 AM EDT
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The presence of free will necessitates the existance of some evil. Is free will really free, then, if some choices [b]have[/b] to be evil? |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 6:26:23 AM EDT
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Good and evil are immutable standards based on the character, actions and commandments of the immutable God of Creation (the God of the Bible).
Good is that which is in accordance with these things. Evil is the heart attitude and acts of rebellion against God's character, actions, and commandments. AV1611 out... |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 7:05:03 AM EDT
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I'll jump into the fray.
I don't believe in good or evil. Good does not exist. Evil does not exist. Anything that someone else considers either "good" or "evil" is simply an action. Society has concepts of what is "good" and what is "evil". These concepts, for the most part, allow humans to interact with one another under guidelines called "laws". If you follow them, you get to stay and play with everyone else. You break these self-imposed laws, and you don't. Is killing a 2 year old child the moral equivalent of killing Adolf Hitler? To answer that, I ask what do morals have to do with the question? The acts themselves are similar - the taking of a life. Morals are not needed. Does society, again, in general, feel this way? The answer would seem to be a resounding "no". the_reject |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 7:17:04 AM EDT
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I don't believe in good or evil. Good does not exist. Evil does not exist. Anything that someone else considers either "good" or "evil" is simply an action. Society has concepts of what is "good" and what is "evil". These concepts, for the most part, allow humans to interact with one another under guidelines called "laws". If you follow them, you get to stay and play with everyone else. You break these self-imposed laws, and you don't. Do you also not believe in other abstractions, such as "beauty" and "truth"? Is killing a 2 year old child the moral equivalent of killing Adolf Hitler? To answer that, I ask what do morals have to do with the question? Are you seriously wondering what morals have to do with a question about moral equivalency? [>:/] If the question were, "Is Pluto gravitationally equal to Jupiter?", would you be asking, "What does gravity have to do with the question?" [;)] |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 7:24:12 AM EDT
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Quoted: Do you also not believe in other abstractions, such as "beauty" and "truth"? Beauty I believe is also subjective. Truth is not subjective, nor an abstraction. Are you seriously wondering what morals have to do with a question about moral equivalency? [>:/] Not wondering, questioning why they are involved in this manner in a discussion about the existance of good and evil. If the question were, "Is Pluto gravitationally equal to Jupiter?", would you be asking, "What does gravity have to do with the question?" [;)] No. There would be (and is) a factual answer. the_reject |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 7:33:32 AM EDT
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Quoted: The presence of free will necessitates the existance of some evil. Is free will really free, then, if some choices [b]have[/b] to be evil? Yes. That's like asking is a coin toss truly random if some of the outcomes MUST be tails. Free will necessitates the existance of evil choices. In exercising free will, man actualizes that possibility by occasionally choosing evil. |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 7:34:00 AM EDT
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good and evil are labels we assign to deliberate human behaviors. they are a measure of how willing we are to cause suffering to others for our own perceived benefit. evil is intentional selfishness, and it comes from human nature, the desire to live, grow, and control the world around us. it's perfectly normal, in moderate doses. no deity required.
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Posted: 5/9/2002 7:37:56 AM EDT
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Quoted: That's like asking is a coin toss truly random if some of the outcomes MUST be tails. Okay, that's a good analogy. Here's a question, though: is it still considered a truly random coin toss if someone else knows exactly what the results will be before the coin is flipped? And would it make a difference if that individual told you what the result would be before you flipped, or not? the_reject |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 7:53:35 AM EDT
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Truth is not subjective, nor an abstraction. If truth isn't an abstraction, what is it? Can you detect it with instruments or assign it a place in the periodic table of the elements? [:\] And while some truths are not subjective, others are. For instance, is there an objective truth value for statements such as "Monet was a better painter than Manet" or "Bushmaster is the best manufacturer of AR-style rifles"? |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 8:07:24 AM EDT
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Quoted: And while some truths are not subjective, others are. For instance, is there an objective truth value for statements such as "Monet was a better painter than Manet" or "Bushmaster is the best manufacturer of AR-style rifles"? If a truth is subjective, it is not a truth. the_reject |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 8:13:57 AM EDT
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All good things come down from the Father of Lights
Evil comes from two sources 1. Man who is evil from his birth ..the human heart is deceitfully wicked, who can know it...2. Satan who is the father of all lies Who roams the earth like a lion seeking those he can devour. Good falls upon both the righteous and evil like rain...to prompt mankind to thank God for his mercy and kindness toward us fallen men...there are those who will turn to Him and those who turn away.. A man must choose who he will serve God or mammon ..God the flesh or the devil.. :) Pretty simple when you get right down to it. |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 8:15:16 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: The presence of free will necessitates the existance of some evil. Is free will really free, then, if some choices [b]have[/b] to be evil? Yes. That's like asking is a coin toss truly random if some of the outcomes MUST be tails. Free will necessitates the existance of evil choices. In exercising free will, man actualizes that possibility by occasionally choosing evil. That's an apt analogy. Who says, though, that a series of random coin flips MUST result in tails sometimes? Suppose I flip a coin three times. Does it HAVE to come up tails at least once? Of course not. Getting three consecutive heads is unlikely, but certainly not impossible. Now suppose I flip the coin three million times. The probability of getting three million consecutive heads is absurdly small (1 in 2^[3*10^6]), yet still greater than zero. |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 8:19:27 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: But we don't control "weather, laws of nature, our own physical limitations" so we don't assign them human definitions. When the day comes that we can manipulate weather we will do it for both good and evil. When a animal kills another animal is it evil? What if it's not for food or protection of pack? What if it is just a kill? Are you saying there is no good or evil? That to kill a two-year-old child is a morally equivalent act as killing Adolf Hitler? Of course their is good and evil. But like math and science it is something WE created. You have to be able to perceive it for it to exist. We are the only species I am aware of who can perceive it. |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 8:21:52 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: That's like asking is a coin toss truly random if some of the outcomes MUST be tails. Okay, that's a good analogy. Here's a question, though: is it still considered a truly random coin toss if someone else knows exactly what the results will be before the coin is flipped? And would it make a difference if that individual told you what the result would be before you flipped, or not? the_reject Yes, it's still random even if "someone" knows the outcome. Randomness simply implies outcomes with equal probability of occurrance, not lack of precognition of the outcome. Now, precognition of random events implies an "un-natural" or "supernatural" form of consciousness. That I suppose is the realm of God or omniscience. |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 8:22:31 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Hey God a little help with this "evil" thing you created... The notion that God (if he exists) is responsible for creating evil or that he is wrong in permitting evil is not consistent with the nature of God, man and free will. God creates the world that is best. A world with free will is better than one without it. Man has free will. Free will IN man necessitates that choices must be made BY man. Given free will, it is impossible for a man to choose ONLY good (or else he would, by definition, be "God"). God is not responsible for a man's evil choices, since it is not in his power to bring about a man that ONLY chooses good (because that wouldn't be a "man" then). God created free will in man, man performs the acts of good or evil through his free will. God created the potential for evil, a man with free will makes evil actual. The absence of evil necessitates there be no free will. The presence of free will necessitates the existance of some evil. Bottom-line: [b]Apparently, many people (athiests mainly) believe that that absence of all evil is more desirable than freedom (free will).[/b] God created Satan and according to you with prior knowledge of what would happen. To follow up I am asking questions on the assumption that all this actually exists. I don't believe we could ever get rid of evil because it was not created by a god. |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 8:24:10 AM EDT
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Quoted: Just curious, do you believe God is ominpotent? If so why does he permit evil to even exist? Why did he create Lucifer if he KNEW what would happen? Why didn't he save us from evil? Why does God permit people who will be evil to even be born and prey upon the rest of us? Hell lots of questions... To weed out the hackers from the non hackers ..... He did save us from evil..at the cross..Jesus saved us from eternal death His kingdom is not of this world and this world system... This is satans time ..for a season... Life is like a bird that enters a tent..it flutters arround...and then departs as quickly as it came. Eternal life is just that eternal..temporal life is just that... It weeds out the hackers from the non hackers Some vessles are created to serve ,others for destruction... God is God ... Job asked these same questions...read His answers...quite profound really. If you were a soldier under orders..I think its easier to understand imo In the end..God is good God is merciful its just that He has mercy on who He will...He is God He is Soverign He gives Life and He takes it away...Blessed be the name of the Lord.. Some Christians believe that man has a choice and must make a decision to trust and follow and believe Some Christians believe that man is pre-destined to be saved..and nothing can stand in the way of God doing just that..He will have mercy on who He will. and judgement on who He will. If hell and satan and God do not exist..why even worry about it... But if they do exist..be very worried about it..then try to do something about it if you even can...:) |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 8:26:04 AM EDT
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Quoted: All good things come down from the Father of Lights Evil comes from two sources 1. Man who is evil from his birth ..the human heart is deceitfully wicked, who can know it...2. Satan who is the father of all lies Who roams the earth like a lion seeking those he can devour. Your two sources of EVIL; man and Satan are BOTH creations of the Father of Light, who according to you only makes good things. |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 8:31:26 AM EDT
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Quoted: If a truth is subjective, it is not a truth. Isn't that statment itself subjective, and therefore meaningless since it can have no truth value? [;D] |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 8:34:11 AM EDT
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Quoted: Who says, though, that a series of random coin flips MUST result in tails sometimes? In an infinite series of "random" coin tosses, the definition of "randomness" necessitates that there be equal probability of outcomes (and given enough tosses, that probability MUST be actualized otherwise it is a false probability). Quoted: Suppose I flip a coin three times. Does it HAVE to come up tails at least once? Of course not. Getting three consecutive heads is unlikely, but certainly not impossible. Now suppose I flip the coin three million times. The probability of getting three million consecutive heads is absurdly small (1 in 2^[3*10^6]), yet still greater than zero. Certainly. |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 8:34:28 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: If a truth is subjective, it is not a truth. Isn't that statment itself subjective, and therefore meaningless since it can have no truth value? [;D] w00t! Congratulations, you now have your degree in existentialism! [:D] Now for the puzzling paradox - there is only 1 truth, that being that there are no truths. the_reject |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 8:40:57 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: All good things come down from the Father of Lights Evil comes from two sources 1. Man who is evil from his birth ..the human heart is deceitfully wicked, who can know it...2. Satan who is the father of all lies Who roams the earth like a lion seeking those he can devour. Your two sources of EVIL; man and Satan are BOTH creations of the Father of Light, who according to you only makes good things. No, that isn't what 9divdoc said. He said that God is the source of "[i]all[/i] good things", [b]not[/b] "[i]only[/i] good things". Of course, that does raise the problem of how man can have free will when only God is the source of good things. If good things come only from God, then man can be only the source of non-good things. |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 8:47:48 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Who says, though, that a series of random coin flips MUST result in tails sometimes? In an infinite series of "random" coin tosses, the definition of "randomness" necessitates that there be equal probability of outcomes (and given enough tosses, that probability MUST be actualized otherwise it is a false probability). Quoted: Suppose I flip a coin three times. Does it HAVE to come up tails at least once? Of course not. Getting three consecutive heads is unlikely, but certainly not impossible. Now suppose I flip the coin three million times. The probability of getting three million consecutive heads is absurdly small (1 in 2^[3*10^6]), yet still greater than zero. Certainly. The sticking point, then, is the issue of "enough" tosses. Since our lives are far from infinitely long, I maintain that truly "free" free will does not have to result in evil choices. By the way... Since God's existence is infinite, aren't we left with the conclusion that God either does some evil or doesn't have free will? [}:)] |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 8:52:20 AM EDT
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Quoted: Freewill Dittos, pure and simple |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 8:53:07 AM EDT
[#47]
Okay, I'll bite.
Good and evil are rooted in perspective. The reality of physics dictate there are opposing forces. Taoism has sought to shed perspective and view these opposing forces without any prejudice. They simply exist. Ying Yang. Light, dark. Good, evil. On, off. Positive, negative. Male, female. Something, nothing. The concepts of good and evil are rooted in the perspective of the individual. What is considered to be evil by some may be considered good by others. |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 8:54:01 AM EDT
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If so why does he permit evil to even exist? Why did he create Lucifer if he KNEW what would happen? Why didn't he save us from evil? Why does God permit people who will be evil to even be born and prey upon the rest of us? Hell lots of questions... God has given us free will. it is his most wonderful gift. If he had not created Lucifer, and only had good we wouldnt have any choices and wouldnt have free will.[sniper] |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 8:54:26 AM EDT
[#49]
Quoted: God created Satan and according to you with prior knowledge of what would happen. Sort of. Yes, God created the world knowing the ultimate outcome of it (which according to the Bible is [i]something wonderful[/i] ). God created Lucifer. Lucifer, through exercising his free will, became Satan. A world with freedom and (consequently) evil is better than a world with no freedom and no evil. Quoted: To follow up I am asking questions on the assumption that all this actually exists. I don't believe we could ever get rid of evil because [red]it was not created by a god.[/red] Of course. And with that I agree totally. God did not create evil. God created the potential for evil, man exercising free will makes evil actual. I know what you were getting at though. I understand you're just going along with the "hypothetically-if-God-exists" line of dialogue just for the sake of argument. And I appreciate you at least going along with it and engaging in the discussion. Your perspective is challenging. |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 8:59:11 AM EDT
[#50]
The_Macallan, you never did answer my other question.
Does evil exist among animals? When a animal kills another, and not for food or defense, is that evil? I'll pick this up later, I'm actually minutes away from shooting a truly evil MP5 for a few hours. |
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