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Posted: 10/4/2004 1:56:14 PM EDT
I had a buddies girlfriend try to tell me that they dont go to heaven, but that they live eternity in thier happiest memory?
I thought that Jewish people believed that they go to heaven? Help me out here. Apparently one of us does not know anything. Of course, I am not Jewish, so I hope for her sake it is me. |
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Ask ten different Jews and you will get ten different answers. Technically there is no real answer to the question.
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It depends upon which sort of Jew that you ask, Orthodox, Reformed, Conservative, Messianic, etc.
But there is only one correct answer, whether any of us know it or not. Eric The(Convinced)Hun |
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AMEN, my brother. |
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.....Whats the hell that about Edit to add..ur name serves u well.. |
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Atlantic coast, not the Gulf. |
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True. |
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Xtian doctran, all that don't believe Jesus is lord and savior will go to hell. It's simple. Glad to see you degrade this post to childish name calling as soon as you dissagree with some one. |
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We go to be with G-d. If we aren't worthy we get eternity of no G-d, nothingness.
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Once. Seriously though, Jews of course go to heaven by Abraham's covenant. |
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You remember how I captured that moment with my rendition of 'I Ate With Jews Today, Oh Joy', sung to the tune of the Beatles' 'A Day In The Life'? Maybe not. Eric The(Songmeister,I'mNot)Hun |
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I do recall it indeed. I was at my old office, located in a predominantly Jewish neighborhood, eating what was perhaps the best Corned beef on Jewish rye sandwich on the north coast at the time. I almost got mustard on the keyboard I laughed so hard.
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I'm not a Jew, but I think they believe that heaven is closeness to god and hell (rather than a place) is distance from or without god.
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It says in the KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE where you will go ; one way or the other .
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I don't get this, how can one say you need to be christian to goto heaven, then they can say a Jew can goto heaven as well?
Kind of like two wheels on a car, it might move but will it get you any place far? |
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Hey u had to choice to make up that name and u did..so stop crying if i point out ur name. LoL |
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It is simple really when one considers that Christianity is a direct extension of Judaism and is in fact a Jewish faith. In short, Christianity, which follows the teachings of a devout Jew as savior and messiah, can be seen as the vehicle which brought the one true God to a wider audience. For those whose particular brand of Christianity would deny this simple truth I would offer that to deny the father is to deny the son. To deny the word and teachings of the father is to disbelieve in the son. The Jews know what the father taught them and have kept the faith for nearly 6 thousand years. So, the Jews that kept the faith will certainly go to God when it is time, as will those who sought their salvation through the son without denying the truth that is in the words of the father. One cannot believe in the latter without knowing the former to be true. One can also not deny the previous covenant because more was added later to add people not included in the first. |
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WOW that was a awesome post. |
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I did not realize what I had typed until you replied. It just sorta was there and I hit send. I didn't read it until I had already hit send and it was posted. I guess there is a God after all because I'm not sure how that came out of me. |
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The Jews are God's choosen people, thats what i have always been taught . What exsactly it means IDK
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UNBELIEVABLY WELL STATED. GREAT POST! |
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That's very insensitive. [Rant mode on] Jews were worshipping the God of Abraham when your ancestors were worshipping Odin, trees, or whatever pagan god was in vogue at the time. How dare you Johnny-come-latelys tell them that they are not correctly worshipping their own God? First you usurp their God, then their Bible and now you've got the gall to tell them that they're going to hell? Heck, you're probably not even descended from Abraham so the majority of what's in the Bible doesn't apply to you. [Rant mode off] Answer: no one knows where any of us are going, although some believe they do. In the end, we'll find out who's right. |
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a commentary on grammar from somebody who can't spell doctrine correctly??? |
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For all of you "jews dont go to heaven" people
Jesus was jewish...............so does that mean the son of god didnt make it to heaven? |
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+1 |
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Well, since He clearly believed He was The Christ, wouldn't that make Him a Christian? All joking aside, it is pretty simple, the Bible says this: "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved." Those that don't, don't go to heaven. Pre-Messiah Jews go to heaven because they had faith FORWARD to the Messiah. Post-Messiah Jews that believe in Christ also go to heaven, but Post-Messiah Jews who do not believe in Christ do not. So sorry, but if you don't like it, take it up with God...not me. |
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I love how you folks take one statement and then assume another. Please point out ANYWHERE where Christ says that not believing in him will send you to "Hell." I also love your non quote "quote" - throwing "shalt" in there makes it appear legitimitate to the KJV people, but that doesn't make it so. Everything you stated is non-biblical interpretation. |
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The covenant has been fulfilled by the coming of the Messiah. (read Jesus) But don't ask me, I'm a Presbyterian. Therefore I believe that you can only be redeemed by God's gift of Grace. (Predestination) |
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I'm sorry but when you kill God's only son it can't be good. They may go to heaven but Jesus may bitch slap them before they enter...
Oh jeez...let the flames begin. Let me just put on my mask... |
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Jesus was jewish, but only on his mother's side. |
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Don't bother, these threads come up every few weeks, most of the frequent posters and moderators on this site have a peculiar idea of Christianity, kind of Judiaism Jr. You'd figure John 14:6 and John 8:37, 40 and 44 (Hell, the entire Gospel of St. John) are pretty clear, but apparently that's not the case. |
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I'm quite familiar with the Gospel of John - have you ever read it WITHOUT interpreting it to fit your existing beliefs? |
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Extremely well put. |
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If it makes you feel better, nobody is going anywhere. The believers don't ascend, the non believers don't decend, the good don't get rewarded, and the bad don't get punished. Death is final, the next act belongs to the worms. Lights out....
Sweet dream... |
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The afterlife and olam haba (the world to come)
Many secular or liberal Jews would state that Judaism does not believe in an afterlife, or that it is a this-worldly religion which concentrates on the here and now. While it is certainly true that Judaism does concentrate on the importance of this world, the fact is that much (not all) of classical Judaism does posit an afterlife. Much of the Jewish tradition affirms that the human soul is immortal, and thus in some way survives the physical death of the body. The existence of the soul after death is described with terms such as Olam Haba (the world to come), Gan Eden (the Heavenly Garden of Eden, or Paradise) and Gehenna (Purgatory). Classical rabbinic afterlife teachings varied in different places and times; they were never synthesized into one coherent philosophy. As such, the different Jewish views of the afterlife are sometimes contradictory. This is especially true for "Olam Haba", the world to come. In some rabbinic works this phrase refers to the messianic era, a physical realm right here on Earth. However, in other works this phrase means Gan Eden, Paradise, a purely spiritual realm. There is much rabbinic material on what happens to the soul of the deceased after death, what it experiences, and where it goes. At various points in the afterlife journey, the soul is said to encounter: Hibbut ha-kever, the pains of the grave; Dumah, the angel of silence; The angel of death; The Kaf ha-Kela, the catapult of the soul; Gehenna (purgatory); and Gan Eden (Heaven; Paradise). Gehenna is fairly well defined in rabbinic literature. It is sometimes translated as "hell", but one should note that the Christian view of hell is different from the Jewish view. For Christians, hell is an abode of eternal torment where sinners go; any person who does not accept Jesus as their messiah is defined by most Christian sects as someone destined for eternal damnation. In Judaism, gehenna - while certainly a terribly unpleasant place - is not hell. The overwhelming majority of rabbinic thought maintains that people are not tortured in hell forever; the longest that one can be there is said to be 12 months. Some consider it a spiritual forge where the soul is purified for its eventual ascent to Gan Eden [Heaven], where all imperfections are purged. http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Jewish_eschatology Eric The(ChildOfAbraham)Hun |
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