Where can CCW holders buy guns without NICS

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Where can CCW holders buy guns without NICS

grayroad Joined Jun 2001 Posts EE Offline KY, USA	Posted: 8/29/2001 8:15:04 AM EDT Kentucky legislators quickly closed that so called loophole after concealed carry was approved here. Any CCW permit issued after 1998 does not permit purchase without NICS. Curious about other states.

Vulcan94 Member Joined Mar 2001 Posts EE Offline NC, USA	Posted: 8/29/2001 8:30:37 AM EDT Here in North Carolina any holder of a NC CHP can purchase any long gun without the NICS check. You still need a permit to purchase a handgun. David
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gunmonkey Joined Apr 2001 Posts EE Offline NV, USA	Posted: 8/29/2001 8:41:43 AM EDT In Nevada, we get to buy handguns and long guns with a flash of the CCW. Fill out the Federal paperwork and pay your $$$ and bye bye!

Ponyboy Member Joined Jan 2001 Posts EE Offline TX, USA	Posted: 8/29/2001 8:48:16 AM EDT Texas as well....No NICS for CHL holders. Michael
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mr_wilson Joined Feb 2001 Posts EE Offline TX, USA	Posted: 8/29/2001 8:49:33 AM EDT Ditto in Texas, show CCW, fill out FED form & go, any firearm. Mike

The_Beer_Slayer Member Joined Nov 2000 Posts EE Offline AL, USA	Posted: 8/29/2001 8:50:28 AM EDT Alabama still requires nic check for any purchase with permit or not. then again our permit system is pretty much open. If you can spell your name to write the check you get a permit.
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Posted: 8/29/2001 9:03:31 AM EDT

That brings up another question. My wife and I had to sit through an 8 hour class, pass a written test, pass a shooting test, and be approved through an extensive background check before receiving a CCW permit. From visiting North Carolina I know our CCW permits are not honored there and the only difference I can see is NC requires fingerprinting. Indiana is less stringent for a permit. What about others?

Jarhead_22 Member Joined Feb 2001 Posts EE Offline TN, USA	Posted: 8/29/2001 9:10:21 AM EDT The process for a CHL in Texas sounds pretty similar to that of Kentucky. Once I had my TX CHL, I got my Pennsylvania non-resident CHL completely through the mail. Try Lebanon County. Sheriff DeLeo is a gentleman and a RKBA supporter. Freedom isn't free Semper Fidelis Jarhead out.
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1GUNRUNNER Member Joined Feb 2001 Posts EE Offline WA, USA	Posted: 8/29/2001 11:19:25 AM EDT No permits issued after 11/30/98 will be qualified for an exemption of the NICS. When they expire all will require check.
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LARRYG Member Joined Feb 2001 Posts EE Offline GA, USA	Posted: 8/29/2001 11:27:40 AM EDT In Georgia, a carry license eliminates NICS on handgun or long gun purchase.
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Posted: 8/29/2001 11:30:45 AM EDT

In South Carolina, you can buy a gun by simply providing a copy of your CCW. The first time I saw someone do that, I was shocked. The guy showed his original CCW ID card, then handed the dealer cash and a copy of his card and walked-out. It took less than a minute. Since then, I've been told that you still need to fill-out a 4473, but I've seen that step skipped twice now. Of course, my purchase at the same dealer the next week didn't go as well. NICS didn't approve my purchase, and I had to wait 4 days to pickup the rifle. That day I decided to attempt to get a CCW. I'm just a peon here. I don't know anyone in power, so in my 5 months of trying, I haven't been granted a CCW by SLED (the state police) yet, but I'm still fighting, as documented in my recent rec.guns post.

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JRStrines Joined Mar 2001 Posts EE Offline PA, USA	Posted: 8/29/2001 1:38:11 PM EDT Pennsylvania requires an NICS check with or without a CCW permit on any firearm be it a rifle or handgun.

Lazyshooter Member Joined Aug 2001 Posts EE Offline IL, USA	Posted: 8/29/2001 1:42:48 PM EDT CCW? In Illinois we don't even know what its like to have a CCW! Must be sweeeet.

ken2483 Joined Apr 2001 Posts EE Offline MA, USA	Posted: 8/29/2001 1:43:34 PM EDT In Mass, you have to have a pistol permit to buy a handgun and a Firearms ID card to buy "non-high capacity" rifles and shotguns. Until about two years ago, all you had to do was show either to buy an item. Now, not only do you have to show the license, but NICS check is also done...have yet to see any really "instant" checks happen...

qwijibo Joined Mar 2001 Posts EE Offline AZ, USA	Posted: 8/29/2001 1:43:59 PM EDT Arizona doesn't need the NICS check for CCW holders.

KBaker Member Joined Feb 2001 Posts EE Offline AZ, USA	Posted: 8/29/2001 1:44:06 PM EDT In Arizona a CCW license eliminates the need for a NICS check. One of the reasons I'll have mine as soon as I can schedule the damned class.
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Posted: 8/29/2001 1:46:26 PM EDT

Here in [b]INDIANA[/b], if you have a CCW permit, you can purchase a long gun or handgun and waive the NICS. You still must fill out a 4473. As a matter of fact, I went through this process yesterday when I purchased a pre-ban Norinco 56S-1 (AK-47 underfolder). In and out in a matter of minutes. Here in Indiana, all you need to do to get a CCW is not be a felon. You pay $25 for a 4-year permit, and have no tests or classes to deal with. Pretty nice.

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1GUNRUNNER Member Joined Feb 2001 Posts EE Offline WA, USA	Posted: 8/29/2001 1:51:53 PM EDT Originally Posted By zoom: In South Carolina, you can buy a gun by simply providing a copy of your CCW. The first time I saw someone do that, I was shocked. The guy showed his original CCW ID card, then handed the dealer cash and a copy of his card and walked-out. View Quote Federal law requires for the transfer of any weapon the completion of a 4473 period.
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Ranman223 Joined Feb 2001 Posts EE Offline IN, USA	Posted: 8/29/2001 3:23:26 PM EDT I love the great state of Indiana , NO NICS with a CCW and plus We do not spring forward or fall back or whatever you other retards do to tell time .

sharky30 Member Joined Jun 2001 Posts EE Offline NY, USA	Posted: 8/29/2001 3:30:21 PM EDT I got a piece of paper with my NYstate pistol permit that exempts me from NICS for 5 years, not sure what will happen after that 5 years
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MiniZ Member Joined Jan 2001 Posts EE Offline UT, USA	Posted: 8/29/2001 3:53:17 PM EDT Here in UT, there is no NICS for CCW holders. The dealer has to call in your permit to BCI(Bureau of Criminal Investigation) to verify the permit is still valid, but other than that(and that f&$#g 4473).... Zane
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CIB Joined Jan 2001 Posts EE Offline AR, USA	Posted: 8/29/2001 3:53:52 PM EDT CCW holders in Arkansas are exempt from the NICS check as well, except for a few CCW's that were issued right at the first, can't remembeer what the exact dates were.

rkbar15 Member Joined Jan 2001 Posts EE Offline USA	Posted: 8/29/2001 4:13:45 PM EDT NY is exempt from NICS with a Pistol Permit. Permenant Brady Permit Chart: [url]http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/bradylaw/permit_chart.htm[/url]

grayroad Joined Jun 2001 Posts EE Offline KY, USA	Posted: 8/29/2001 8:22:21 PM EDT Quite a difference between states. I'm surprised it only costs $25 in Indiana. We had to pay $75 for the class/test and another $65 for a 5 year license.

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Posted: 8/29/2001 8:39:36 PM EDT

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In Iowa you need a permit to purchase a handgun.You get it from the sherrif after a week wait for $10 and it is good for 1 year. It will also exempt you from the NICS. I've purchased several guns over the past couple years. Go to the gun shop, fill out the yellow sheet, give them the money with copies of ID and purchase permit, and walk out the door with my new gun. Steve I believe CCW is the same. Too bad Iowa is not shall issue, In my county I'll probably never get one.

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Posted: 8/29/2001 9:03:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By grayroad: Quite a difference between states. I'm surprised it only costs $25 in Indiana. We had to pay $75 for the class/test and another $65 for a 5 year license.

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[i]Ssssshhhhhhh! Don't say that too loud.[/i][;)] BTW, did you know that we honor your KY CCW as valid here? Indiana has reciprocity agreements with quite a few states (Any that are agreeable, that is). Not many people seem to know about that. Everyone is going nuts wishing for national CCW reciprocity while more & more individual states are quietly doing it on their own.

grayroad Joined Jun 2001 Posts EE Offline KY, USA	Posted: 8/29/2001 9:15:10 PM EDT We live on the Kentucky/Indiana border so I'm aware of the reciprocity agreement. My wife reminded me of something I had forgotten. She worked with an Indiana resident a few years ago who had her CCW permit and she claimed she had to register each handgun she might carry under the permit. Thankfully we don't have to do that here.

Planerench Joined Nov 2000 Posts EE Offline ID, USA	Posted: 8/30/2001 7:16:14 AM EDT No check with an IDAHO CCW; handgun or other.

flatapple Joined Jan 2001 Posts EE Offline MI, USA	Posted: 8/30/2001 8:51:40 AM EDT I believe in Michigan, now under our new CCW rules you don't need a permit to purchase.

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Posted: 8/30/2001 11:36:27 AM EDT

We live on the Kentucky/Indiana border so I'm aware of the reciprocity agreement. My wife reminded me of something I had forgotten. She worked with an Indiana resident a few years ago who had her CCW permit and she claimed she had to register each handgun she might carry under the permit. Thankfully we don't have to do that here.

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grayroad, the lady was positively wrong. She probably believed that, but there's no way in hell she had to register any handgun. It happens anywhere - a newbie applicant shows up at the local LEA, & out of benign curiosity the CLEO asks to see the handgun (in the brand new pretty blue box), & trying not to chuckle asks "Is this the you're going to carry?" Then for the next ten years the CCW holder thinks the cop meant "that's what they have to carry." You wouldn't believe how many people show up with their new shiny pistols in a box (well, maybe you would - you've probably seen it happen too). A lot of police departments don't even like people to do the new box thing, & will send them out to put it in the car. If you're reapplying for zillionth time, they take it for granted you're carrying, & they never ask (unless you're "printing" like an idiot, or wearing a tact-thigh holster). In thirty years I've never been asked, & never met anyone who has. I'm sure there are CLEOs who have written a serial # down before, but I've never heard of it happening here (yet). Indiana couldn't care less if you have a different pistol for every day of the year. Except for Indy, & especially Gary (who DO have their own "Chicago style" laws!), it's a very pro 2nd state.

sharky30 Member Joined Jun 2001 Posts EE Offline NY, USA	Posted: 8/30/2001 2:45:31 PM EDT thanks for the link Originally Posted By rkbar15: NY is exempt from NICS with a Pistol Permit. Permenant Brady Permit Chart: [url]http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/bradylaw/permit_chart.htm[/url] View Quote
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grp-mouseomatic Joined Jan 2001 Posts EE Offline MI, USA	Posted: 8/30/2001 2:48:36 PM EDT Pick up a handgun purchase permit at the local police station and then there's no NIC check in Michigan needed to purchase a long gun. GRP

mjmensale Joined Jan 2001 Posts EE Offline FL, USA	Posted: 8/30/2001 6:38:20 PM EDT Only thing the CCW does for you in Florida is eliminate the 3 day wait for handguns. Still need the NICS check.

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