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Posted: 9/8/2005 3:32:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/10/2005 7:26:20 PM EDT by die-tryin]
What about the " Take My Gun 'From My Cold, Dead Hands' " crowd, wonder if any will actually resist the NG or LOPD?

Obviously it is fringing on our rights. I wonder if there will be some major lawsuits or will the fact that it was an Emergency of LIfe or Death squash all that?

Jus wondering.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:33:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By die-tryin:
What about the " Take My Gun 'From My Cold, Dead Hands' " crowd, wonder if any will actually resist the NG or LOPD?

Obviously it is fringing on our rights. I wonder if there will be some major lawsuits or will the fact that it was an Emergency of LIfe or Death squash all that?

Jus wondering.









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j/k
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:36:18 PM EDT
No kidding. You'd think that since the local courts have been closed a case would rather quickly make it to the appeals court.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:36:32 PM EDT
They can have the bullets first.

It'll be a sad day I have to protect myself from a fellow American, but if he's trying to enforce something illegal and immoral it's on his own conscience.

I don't expect to live through it.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:36:35 PM EDT
What exactly would you have the NRA do?
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:37:30 PM EDT
They're going to sell upland hunting shirts with fancy embroidery and nag people with calls begging for money.

Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:38:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jtw2:
What exactly would you have the NRA do?



Dont know, but wouldnt they be the first to say something about confiscating weapons from ppl that have a legal right to own them?
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:38:42 PM EDT

NRA do?



Supply the good people ammo grape soda MRE's and porn.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:38:56 PM EDT
Trying not to look like an extremist organization.

Where's the GOA and JPFO press releases, BTW?
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:39:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jtw2:
What exactly would you have the NRA do?



Perhaps get the courts to issue an injunction against an unconstutional order.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:39:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jtw2:
What exactly would you have the NRA do?



How about file a suit pronto like the ACLU would do if it were a speech/religion type issue?
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:39:48 PM EDT
They want everybody out of NOLA. What better way to make it uninhabitable than by suspending human rights? Just leave.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:40:14 PM EDT
They had better be drafting the emergency injunction papers.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:41:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Da_Bunny:
They want everybody out of NOLA. What better way to make it uninhabitable than by suspending human rights? Just leave.



Didn't we fight a war in Bosnia to stop this kind of thing?
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:46:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By happycynic:
They had better be drafting the emergency injunction papers.




Laughable really. More likely they are drawing up concessions for the bans about to come.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:47:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2005 3:49:24 PM EDT by Velox_Mortis]

Originally Posted By Mauser101:
They can have the bullets first.

It'll be a sad day I have to protect myself from a fellow American, but if he's trying to enforce something illegal and immoral it's on his own conscience.

I don't expect to live through it.



Well, at least one of you will die with honor.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:48:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Velox_Mortis:

Originally Posted By Mauser101:
They can have the bullets first.

It'll be a sad day I have to protect myself from a fellow American, but if he's trying to enforce something illegal and immoral it's on his own conscience.

I don't expect to live through it.



Well, at least one of you will die with honor.



I'm way over in San Diego so it's not likely I'll be the blaze of glory martyr for the 2A.

This is just fucked up.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:48:34 PM EDT
I think the NRA is smart enough to realize that this is a fight they can't win right now.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:48:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jtw2:
What exactly would you have the NRA do?



Form a posse!
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:51:30 PM EDT
you can count on the NRA for one thing..........asking for money, they seem to do a bang up job in that.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:51:52 PM EDT
They are busy sending out mass mailings to get more money from members. The NRA defends the rights of hunters and generally ignores the other gun owning, dues paying members.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:53:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mobius:
you can count on the NRA for one thing..........asking for money, they seem to do a bang up job in that.



And for helping to kill any attempts to renew the assault weapons ban. And for campaigning for expanded CCW rights and reciprocity. But I wouldn't expect you to be familiar with facts.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:53:52 PM EDT
But for the NRA there would be nothing to take. If you think the AWB would have expired without them get back to your crack pipe.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:54:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CWO:
They are busy sending out mass mailings to get more money from members. The NRA defends the rights of hunters and generally ignores the other gun owning, dues paying members.



That would be what's known in technical terms as a "lie."
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:55:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2005 3:56:56 PM EDT by die-tryin]
Welp its a cluster for sure.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:57:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
I think the NRA is smart enough to realize that this is a fight they can't win right now.



Ain't that somethin'?
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:58:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
I think the NRA is smart enough to realize that this is a fight they can't win right now.



Ain't that somethin'?



They will probably get involved if and when the lawsuits against the City of New Orleans government starts.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:59:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
I think the NRA is smart enough to realize that this is a fight they can't win right now.



Kind of like Thermopylae ?
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:03:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By IAMLEGEND:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
I think the NRA is smart enough to realize that this is a fight they can't win right now.



Kind of like Thermopylae ?



More like if the entire Greek army had died to a man at Thermopylae, leaving the city states naked to the remaining Persians. If the NRA makes a big public outcry about this right now, it will create a huge backlash.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:04:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2005 4:05:54 PM EDT by IAMLEGEND]

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By IAMLEGEND:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
I think the NRA is smart enough to realize that this is a fight they can't win right now.



Kind of like Thermopylae ?



More like if the entire Greek army had died to a man at Thermopylae, leaving the city states naked to the remaining Persians. If the NRA makes a big public outcry about this right now, it will create a huge backlash.



Then where the fuck are they going to be when it's my ass on the line?

Sending out letters begging for money and selling tacky clothes and range-bags, that's where.

ETA: Oh, and 'avoiding a huge backlash'.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:07:28 PM EDT
Business hours stopped at 5 eastern is more likely. Trust me they will not help. Should we press HR1703 again I suspect more will commit now.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:10:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By IAMLEGEND:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By IAMLEGEND:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
I think the NRA is smart enough to realize that this is a fight they can't win right now.



Kind of like Thermopylae ?



More like if the entire Greek army had died to a man at Thermopylae, leaving the city states naked to the remaining Persians. If the NRA makes a big public outcry about this right now, it will create a huge backlash.



Then where the fuck are they going to be when it's my ass on the line?

Sending out letters begging for money and selling tacky clothes and range-bags, that's where.

ETA: Oh, and 'avoiding a huge backlash'.



That's a load of shit. Get back to me when you want to deal with reality.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:11:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By mobius:
you can count on the NRA for one thing..........asking for money, they seem to do a bang up job in that.



And for helping to kill any attempts to renew the assault weapons ban. And for campaigning for expanded CCW rights and reciprocity. But I wouldn't expect you to be familiar with facts.



hey dumbass, when the basic right to own a gun is gone, all of that other stuff means only jack and shit. and jack left town.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:12:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2005 4:14:20 PM EDT by IAMLEGEND]

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By IAMLEGEND:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By IAMLEGEND:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
I think the NRA is smart enough to realize that this is a fight they can't win right now.



Kind of like Thermopylae ?



More like if the entire Greek army had died to a man at Thermopylae, leaving the city states naked to the remaining Persians. If the NRA makes a big public outcry about this right now, it will create a huge backlash.



Then where the fuck are they going to be when it's my ass on the line?

Sending out letters begging for money and selling tacky clothes and range-bags, that's where.

ETA: Oh, and 'avoiding a huge backlash'.



That's a load of shit. Get back to me when you want to deal with reality.



Hey, I'm listening if you're telling me they're doing something about this. Otherwise, you're the one that needs to get (back?) to reality. They aren't doing anything now that an actual time of need has arrived (i.e. when it matters).


ETA: That I've seen yet...they might be preparing a suit or injunction so that would mean they are making good on their support of the 2nd.

Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:13:53 PM EDT
They're working behind the scenes to help gun dealers sell more guns to the public in the areas Katrina hit! www.nraila.org/CurrentLegislation/Read.aspx?ID=1725

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If you are unable to reach the Federal Bureau of Investigation's (FBI) National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) Section Call Center at 877-324-6427 or the FBI NICS Section Customer Service at 877-444-6427, the FBI NICS Section is providing you with an alternate telephone number to process your FBI NICS Firearm Checks.

Please attempt the 877 call center and/or customer service numbers first, if your call can not be completed as dialed then please hang up and call directly to the FBI NICS Customer Service at 304-625-0259. Telephone number 304-625-0259 will connect you directly to the FBI NICS Customer Service where you can request your firearm background checks.

We are sorry for any inconvenience this interruption may cause you and are working diligently with your telecommunication providers to correct the problem. Thank you.

Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:24:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2005 4:25:39 PM EDT by LonePathfinder]
This is bullshit. Every fucking Iraqi is allowed one weapon per household. Why the fuck is the National Guard and Active Duty Military all of a sudden concerned with disarming citizens in their AO. They have established that they can, will and are working in a nation where the citizens are armed. Why the fuck can't those in NO stay armed??

Sorry if I'm guarding my house and some NG patrol comes up to disarm me, they will get a verbal warning, a few warning shots and then I'll shoot to kill. If things are so bad that my home is all I have left and the government is shredding the constitution to make some liberal pussies that re not even in the same state feel safer then its time to go to the next life. With honor. Sorry for the NG troopers but they need to quit being sheeple in uniform. Isn't there a line in a movie that goes "If the Marines wanted robots we'd build them, we want you to think recruit!" The same applies here.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:35:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Voldermortist:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By mobius:
you can count on the NRA for one thing..........asking for money, they seem to do a bang up job in that.



And for helping to kill any attempts to renew the assault weapons ban. And for campaigning for expanded CCW rights and reciprocity. But I wouldn't expect you to be familiar with facts.



hey dumbass, when the basic right to own a gun is gone, all of that other stuff means only jack and shit. and jack left town.



If you want to start tossing around insults, we can do that too. But the fact is, you pick your fights. You fight on your own terms, not the enemy's. If you aren't smart enough to realize that, it's your problem.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:36:54 PM EDT
The NRA's sole purpose in my eyes is to do EVERYTHING it can to prevent this, the most DIRECT violation of the 2nd amendment I have ever seen.

If they stand by the sidelines silent at a time like this, I will stop supporting them.

Passing CCW legislation, and letting the AWB expire are certainly noble causes, but without a 2nd amendment, neither of those things mean jack shit.

Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:37:03 PM EDT
When did this start happening? Has been only a few hours ago?

Some of you NRA bashers have jumped the gun, just like the Bush bashers.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:39:53 PM EDT
So when does the NRA throw down the gauntlet??.......................they could be making some noise about this.....................Wouldnt you want them to say something if you were down there?...or just leave you to
the wolves?..........what violation of the law is big enough for them to raise hell and high water?
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:43:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MK4Mod0:
So when does the NRA throw down the gauntlet??.......................they could be making some noise about this.....................Wouldnt you want them to say something if you were down there?...or just leave you to
the wolves?..........what violation of the law is big enough for them to raise hell and high water?



Apparently you wanted them to make a statement before it happened...that's the only thing that would satisfy some of the babies on this site. But no, hey, you're 100% right...it would be perfect timing. Right after the discovery that refugees beheaded and murdered women and children at the Convention Center, let's have the NRA come out with a big public campaign to allow them to have weapons...THAT will do so much to further the RKBA in the US...
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:44:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2005 4:45:37 PM EDT by tangeant]

Originally Posted By LonePathfinder:
This is bullshit. Every fucking Iraqi is allowed one weapon per household. Why the fuck is the National Guard and Active Duty Military all of a sudden concerned with disarming citizens in their AO. They have established that they can, will and are working in a nation where the citizens are armed. Why the fuck can't those in NO stay armed??

Sorry if I'm guarding my house and some NG patrol comes up to disarm me, they will get a verbal warning, a few warning shots and then I'll shoot to kill. If things are so bad that my home is all I have left and the government is shredding the constitution to make some liberal pussies that re not even in the same state feel safer then its time to go to the next life. With honor. Sorry for the NG troopers but they need to quit being sheeple in uniform. Isn't there a line in a movie that goes "If the Marines wanted robots we'd build them, we want you to think recruit!" The same applies here.



Sounds like a plan, someone will be along shortly to pry your gun out of your slowly cooling hand shortly after you put your plan into action .
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:44:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2005 4:47:47 PM EDT by schornstinefager]
whelp its shit or get of the pot time for the NRA some one ought to start a pole or contest to see who can pic the time or day that they make a statement
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:46:37 PM EDT
Guys, the .gov has broken it's chains.

There is only one way that this can be answered.

It is "Game On" from this point forward.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:48:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2005 4:50:50 PM EDT by MK4Mod0]

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By MK4Mod0:
So when does the NRA throw down the gauntlet??.......................they could be making some noise about this.....................Wouldnt you want them to say something if you were down there?...or just leave you to
the wolves?..........what violation of the law is big enough for them to raise hell and high water?



Apparently you wanted them to make a statement before it happened...that's the only thing that would satisfy some of the babies on this site. But no, hey, you're 100% right...it would be perfect timing. Right after the discovery that refugees beheaded and murdered women and children at the Convention Center, let's have the NRA come out with a big public campaign to allow them to have weapons...THAT will do so much to further the RKBA in the US...

.........not before it happened , but after................are you condoning what is happening or is it just OK because it is not you?.......Takeing law abiding citizens guns is not the same as going after ruthless thugs killing innocent people..............!!
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:49:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Not_so_Clever:
Guys, the .gov has broken it's chains.

There is only one way that this can be answered.

It is "Game On" from this point forward.



Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:49:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Not_so_Clever:
Guys, the .gov has broken it's chains.

There is only one way that this can be answered.

It is "Game On" from this point forward.



You may be right, The .gov has DEFINANTLY overstepped their bounds and need to be returned to their cages by FORCE
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:50:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MK4Mod0:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By MK4Mod0:
So when does the NRA throw down the gauntlet??.......................they could be making some noise about this.....................Wouldnt you want them to say something if you were down there?...or just leave you to
the wolves?..........what violation of the law is big enough for them to raise hell and high water?



Apparently you wanted them to make a statement before it happened...that's the only thing that would satisfy some of the babies on this site. But no, hey, you're 100% right...it would be perfect timing. Right after the discovery that refugees beheaded and murdered women and children at the Convention Center, let's have the NRA come out with a big public campaign to allow them to have weapons...THAT will do so much to further the RKBA in the US...

.........not before it happened , but after................are you condoning what is happening or is it just OK because it is not you?



If you could comprehend what you read, you'd already know the answer to that. But here's one hint: It wouldn't happen to me because I WOULDN'T BE IN THE CITY. I would have gotten out a day or two before the storm hit, just like everyone else with a brain.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:50:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2005 4:52:24 PM EDT by Not_so_Clever]
How about a reasoned rebuttal Rik?

I can interpret this no other way.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:53:14 PM EDT
Dont insult me or talk down to me....I see what is going on very clearly...........get off your high throne and smell the shit....................Do you pay NRA just to get spiffy shit or do you expect action from them?
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 5:01:39 PM EDT
I've already posted where I stand on this. Until they do something about this, they don't get another dime from me.

I think we can all agree that the .gov is overstepping it's bounds.

I don't give a shit a couple people got murdered a few blocks away (happens around here all the time). This is no reason to toss the constitution out the window. For all you pussies making excuses, you know you're making excuses. You know this is wrong, you're just trying to justify continuing sending an entity money that may not put up when the going gets tough.

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