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Posted: 1/20/2008 6:51:46 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/20/2008 6:51:59 PM EST by fossil_fuel]
When do you believe that human life begins? When the baby is born? When the baby could likely survive outside the womb? At some other milestone or stage of development? At conception? I'd be especially interested in hearing pro-choice folks' opinion on this issue.

Although it's probably an impossible request, id like to keep this from becoming an abortion debate thread (we already have one of those going), but rather a discussion of when human life begins.
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 6:52:43 PM EST
Conception
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 6:53:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By PantherArms762:
Conception


Exactly.
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 6:53:14 PM EST
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Link Posted: 1/20/2008 6:53:41 PM EST
first beer
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 6:54:22 PM EST
born....sorry that is just the best way for us for right now.
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 6:55:04 PM EST
At conception
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 6:56:01 PM EST
Conception.
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 6:56:06 PM EST
As soon as a bunch of scumbag liberal feminists say it does.

They can't provide any reasons that make any sense at all, but they have a bunch of nice sounding slogans and that seems good enough for most people.



Link Posted: 1/20/2008 6:56:14 PM EST
My person opinion is that human life begins when brain activity begins. Which is at about 10 weeks into the pregnancy IIRC.
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 6:56:19 PM EST
conception
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 7:01:31 PM EST
conception. In college I wrote a few papers in classes arguing life was not until brain activity was measurable. Now that I am older and have kids of my own, my views have changed 180.
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 7:02:47 PM EST

Originally Posted By fossil_fuel:
My person opinion is that human life begins when brain activity begins. Which is at about 10 weeks into the pregnancy IIRC.



And before we had the technology to detect brain activity at ten weeks...when did you think life began?


Get my point?
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 7:03:07 PM EST
You're looking at the wrong question.

What is 'human life?'

'Life' begins at conception. Those cells start dividing, and the game is afoot. A viable human fetus is a bit later. But left alone and barring problems, those cells will become a human being.

Link Posted: 1/20/2008 7:03:29 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 7:04:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By rainman:

Originally Posted By fossil_fuel:
My person opinion is that human life begins when brain activity begins. Which is at about 10 weeks into the pregnancy IIRC.



And before we had the technology to detect brain activity at ten weeks...when did you think life began?


Get my point?


No I don't. We've had the technology for as long as i've been alive, so I can't say i've ever considered the issue.
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 7:05:55 PM EST
Conception.
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 7:09:02 PM EST
At birth.
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 7:11:27 PM EST
at 7AM.
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 7:14:15 PM EST

Originally Posted By fossil_fuel:

Originally Posted By rainman:

Originally Posted By fossil_fuel:
My person opinion is that human life begins when brain activity begins. Which is at about 10 weeks into the pregnancy IIRC.



And before we had the technology to detect brain activity at ten weeks...when did you think life began?


Get my point?


No I don't. We've had the technology for as long as i've been alive, so I can't say i've ever considered the issue.



Do you think its a possibilty that in the future we could develop technology that could indicate brain activity in, say, 7 weeks?...maybe even 3 weeks?...maybe even 1 week?


maybe even at conception?

A hundred years ago there was no technology to detect brain activity at ten weeks.

Now do you get my point?
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 7:16:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By PantherArms762:
Conception

Yep. By any acceptable definition, a fertilized egg is alive and represents a unique individual.
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 7:19:31 PM EST
When the fetus graduates from law school.
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 7:19:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By webtaz99:

Originally Posted By PantherArms762:
Conception

Yep. By any acceptable definition, a fertilized egg is alive and represents a unique individual.


+1. I'll go with this.
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 7:22:47 PM EST

Originally Posted By rainman:

Originally Posted By fossil_fuel:
My person opinion is that human life begins when brain activity begins. Which is at about 10 weeks into the pregnancy IIRC.



And before we had the technology to detect brain activity at ten weeks...when did you think life began?


Get my point?


Probably the same point, we just didn't know when that was, but could have made a pretty good guess.

Get my point?
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 7:25:19 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/20/2008 7:27:19 PM EST by rmstrjim]

Originally Posted By rainman:

Originally Posted By fossil_fuel:

Originally Posted By rainman:

Originally Posted By fossil_fuel:
My person opinion is that human life begins when brain activity begins. Which is at about 10 weeks into the pregnancy IIRC.



And before we had the technology to detect brain activity at ten weeks...when did you think life began?


Get my point?


No I don't. We've had the technology for as long as i've been alive, so I can't say i've ever considered the issue.



Do you think its a possibilty that in the future we could develop technology that could indicate brain activity in, say, 7 weeks?...maybe even 3 weeks? ...maybe even 1 week?


maybe even at conception? Uh, you need a BRAIN for brain activity first...

A hundred years ago there was no technology to detect brain activity at ten weeks.

Now do you get my point?


Just because our technology is more advanced, does not change the time at which such event occurs.

Besides, we're already far past the point where your fantasy situation of increasingly strong detection finding something previously unfound would have occurred.
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 7:30:41 PM EST
I didn't read any posts, and won't. I won't touch this one with a ten-foot poll. Oh, and IBTL.

P.S. life begins at conception.
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 7:31:07 PM EST
And I own page 2.
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 8:35:21 PM EST
Conception.
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 8:36:41 PM EST
And such is the central question behind the abortion debates.....
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 8:39:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By webtaz99:

Originally Posted By PantherArms762:
Conception

Yep. By any acceptable definition, a fertilized egg is alive and represents a unique individual.


Ditto that
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 8:40:33 PM EST
When you discover alcohol, tobacco and women.
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 8:41:16 PM EST
At birth
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 8:41:47 PM EST

Originally Posted By PantherArms762:
Conception


As far as I'm concerned.
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 8:43:35 PM EST
when you forget to pull out
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 8:43:48 PM EST
At Birth
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 8:44:16 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/20/2008 8:45:37 PM EST by Chairborne]

Originally Posted By fossil_fuel:
When do you believe that human life begins? When the baby is born? When the baby could likely survive outside the womb? At some other milestone or stage of development? At conception? I'd be especially interested in hearing pro-choice folks' opinion on this issue.

Although it's probably an impossible request, id like to keep this from becoming an abortion debate thread (we already have one of those going), but rather a discussion of when human life begins.


That one, why not make a poll?

Apparently all the anti-choice dipshits can't read very well either.
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 8:45:59 PM EST
It's impossible to pinpoint an exact moment. Life builds as the embryo develops, until it is more or less full when the child can survive outside of the womb.

A 1 minute old embryo is less alive than a 2 day old embryo, but I wouldn't necessarily call either of them "living beings."

...I know, it's an unpopular view here.
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 8:49:35 PM EST

Originally Posted By red65:
As soon as a bunch of scumbag liberal feminists say it does.

They can't provide any reasons that make any sense at all, but they have a bunch of nice sounding slogans and that seems good enough for most people.





Wrong answer.

The question: "When does life begin?"


The Proper Answer: "When Chuck Norris damn well says it does!"

Link Posted: 1/20/2008 8:50:06 PM EST
Conception.
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 8:53:20 PM EST

Originally Posted By rainman:

Originally Posted By fossil_fuel:
My person opinion is that human life begins when brain activity begins. Which is at about 10 weeks into the pregnancy IIRC.



And before we had the technology to detect brain activity at ten weeks...when did you think life began?


Get my point?
..

before we knew anything or had religion we still made babies...

Link Posted: 1/20/2008 8:54:22 PM EST
When the Supreme Court says it does, of course!

My personal vote is for viability outside of the womb, though.
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 8:54:51 PM EST
When I tell it to.
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 8:56:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By krpind:
born....sorry that is just the best way for us for right now.


and when is that?.....I have a niece who just gave birth...3 months early.
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 8:57:05 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 9:03:18 PM EST
I think life begins at conception.

You didn't ask, but I also think abortion should be legal until birth.

The simple truth is that not all babies are wanted. I would rather the mother abort the baby than to bring an unwanted child into our world. Until that baby has air in its lungs its fate is decided by its mother.


Link Posted: 1/20/2008 9:21:21 PM EST
If life begins at conception, why then dont they have funerals for them when a miscarry happens before being born?
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 9:29:36 PM EST

Originally Posted By brucers99:
When the Supreme Court says it does, of course!

My personal vote is for viability outside of the womb, though.

By that logic, people who need life support are already dead. Bad news for those who are only temporarily in need of it.
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 9:30:26 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 9:30:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By Silver_Surfer:
If life begins at conception, why then dont they have funerals for them when a miscarry happens before being born?

I would bet money that this has happened, and wiill happen again.
Link Posted: 1/20/2008 9:35:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/20/2008 10:47:01 PM EST by Tonkaman]
Since the sperm is alive and the egg is alive before they unite, and since the soul was formed prior to conception, I'd have to say that the life of a complete human being starts at conception. After conception a human being evolves through many stages before it leaves the womb, then evolves through many more stages throughout its life. Is a 90 year old senior any more or less alive than a 2 year old toddler or a 4 minute old fetus? Answer: No, all humans are in different stages of life and all life is precious.
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 5:44:19 AM EST

Originally Posted By Kalahnikid:
And such is the central question behind the abortion debates.....


No, the central question is when a newly created unique individual's right to live outweighs its mother's right not to carry it to term.
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