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Posted: 8/24/2004 1:15:19 PM EST
The CONSTITUTION of the United States of America,
Article. IV.
Section. 4.
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.

I'm curious as to when the term "democratic form of government" gained popularity vs. the term named in the Constitution.

Other than the party names (and politics), is there a quantitative difference in each respective form of government? Does this correlate to a Democracy vs. a Republic?
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 1:19:58 PM EST
Democratic implies that you vote directly on issues. Some states have this in the form of ammendments and referendums.

A republic elects people to represent them. We have gradually become more democratic.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 1:21:52 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/24/2004 1:23:36 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 1:27:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
Um, we live in a Representative Republic.




+1
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 1:31:58 PM EST

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:

Originally Posted By MillerSHO:
We live in a Democratic Republic.

In other words, we the people don't directly vote, we vote in someone who shares our beliefs and THEY vote on the issues.

A true democratcy cannot exist with the amount of people we have in our soceity.



Um, we live in a Representative Republic.

I think the expression you were looking for is "Representative Democracy", which is just another way of saying "Republic".


Not to nitpick or anything.....
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 1:49:59 PM EST
I live in a Country that practices Socialism but doesn't offer the benefits of such a government.

MT
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 1:52:23 PM EST
But, I thought we live in a Constitutionally Democratic Representative Oligarchy. How's that for big long words?
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 2:05:53 PM EST
i belive it it generally accepted that the US came into existance with the adoption of the 14th amendment (never properly ratified as it is). when the US incorperated, a trend tword democracy began, where prior to that were a constitutional republic.


are you arware that there are two different constitutions?
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 2:31:19 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/24/2004 2:32:07 PM EST by Ragnaroc]
Boy, we sure are a lot of different kinds of republics. I thought I heard federated republic before too.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 2:37:13 PM EST
Democracy = rule of man You can vote on anything including voting your rights away. 51% rule.

Republic = rule of law A representative government under a Constitution. The majority rules with minority rights . No 51% rule.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 2:45:28 PM EST
FDR
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 2:49:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By ar15bubba:
FDR



You beat me to it. Exactly!
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 3:45:36 PM EST

Originally Posted By rjroberts:

Originally Posted By ar15bubba:
FDR



You beat me to it. Exactly!



I hope is Polio riddled body is burning in hell right now. He is a major part of the downward spiral in the USA. I want to vomit when I see how is is worshiped for his "New Deal". All FDR did was stole the gold, got folks hooked on social programs, and took away peoples land and rights. I wish he could see where the hell he sent the US too, but he would probably like the "New New Deal".
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 3:53:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/24/2004 3:57:49 PM EST by rock71]
Representative Democracy? How about quasi socialist experiment. Does healthcare for everyone include Viagra? I Sure hope so.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 3:59:22 PM EST
yeah,

FDR wasn't too fond of the 1st Amendmant either. (can anybody say "incarceration for mental evaluation"?)

We used to be a true Republic. Now we are somewhere between being a Republic and a Socialist Democracy. Alot of it is just word play.

One of the biggest things that changed that was the Amendmant to the constitution that changed us from State legislature selection of senators to direct election of senators.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 4:01:00 PM EST
What is wrong with our school system?????? Are we not providing a proper eduction??????
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 4:01:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By ar15bubba:
FDR



+ 1.15 (adjusting for inflation)

It was when people realized that they could vote themselves money and not have to do a damn bit of work.

Motherfucking FDR...
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 4:04:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/24/2004 4:05:53 PM EST by DoubleFeed]
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 4:04:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:


FDR wasn't too fond of the 1st Amendmant either. (can anybody say "incarceration for mental evaluation"?)




Source please? I'm not doubting you, I hate FDR as much as the next guy.

I also remember a case of a farmer being in trouble for growing too much of one crop or something inane like that.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 4:05:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By CavVet:

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
Um, we live in a Representative Republic.




+1



+1 again
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 4:20:16 PM EST

Originally Posted By Sodie:
Democracy = rule of man You can vote on anything including voting your rights away. 51% rule.

Republic = rule of law A representative government under a Constitution. The majority rules with minority rights . No 51% rule.



Democracy=Mob Rule.
think about it
If 51% want you to pee sitting down, its the law.
Extend the idea ad infinitum.
You see where we are headed?
Or are we already there?
At least in a representative republic the representatives have to fear reprisals if they stray too far either way.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 4:24:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/24/2004 4:25:54 PM EST by KBaker]

Originally Posted By MT_Pockets:
I live in a Country that practices Socialism but doesn't offer the benefits of such a government.

MT

Like gulags and long lines for bad toilet paper?
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 4:25:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By stator:
What is wrong with our school system?????? Are we not providing a proper eduction??????

Depending on where you live, no.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 4:27:50 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/24/2004 4:28:49 PM EST by MT_Pockets]

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Originally Posted By MT_Pockets:
I live in a Country that practices Socialism but doesn't offer the benefits of such a government.

MT
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Like gulags and long lines for bad toilet paper?

KBaker



You mean you can afford toilet paper???

MT
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 4:31:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:

Originally Posted By MillerSHO:
We live in a Democratic Republic.

In other words, we the people don't directly vote, we vote in someone who shares our beliefs and THEY vote on the issues.

A true democratcy cannot exist with the amount of people we have in our soceity.



Um, we live in a Representative Republic.



Yep, thus the electoral college

Link Posted: 8/24/2004 4:31:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By MT_Pockets:

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Originally Posted By MT_Pockets:
I live in a Country that practices Socialism but doesn't offer the benefits of such a government.

MT
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Like gulags and long lines for bad toilet paper?

KBaker



You mean you can afford toilet paper???

MT

Actually, I prefer Charmin Ultra Double Rolls. I was just trying to imagine what the "benefits" of a truly socialist government were.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 4:42:41 PM EST
+1 for Republic
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 4:47:52 PM EST


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Originally Posted By MT_Pockets:


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Originally Posted By MT_Pockets:
I live in a Country that practices Socialism but doesn't offer the benefits of such a government.

MT
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Like gulags and long lines for bad toilet paper?

KBaker

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You mean you can afford toilet paper???

MT
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Actually, I prefer Charmin Ultra Double Rolls. I was just trying to imagine what the "benefits" of a truly socialist government were.

KBaker



Maybe it is just the State I live in.???
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 5:02:17 PM EST
Could be. You know they make paper out of trees, but I understand Washington is out to ban logging.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 5:08:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By the_survivalist:
i belive it it generally accepted that the US came into existance with the adoption of the 14th amendment (never properly ratified as it is). when the US incorperated, a trend tword democracy began, where prior to that were a constitutional republic.


are you arware that there are two different constitutions?



You believe incorrectly. Try reading a book not printed on a mimeograph machine in some nut case's bunker.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 5:11:10 PM EST
We became whatever the prevailing winds in Washington DC wanted us to be after Appomattox Courthouse.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 6:42:28 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 8:13:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By MillerSHO:
We live in a Constitutional Republic.

In other words, we the people don't directly vote, we vote in someone who shares our beliefs and THEY vote on the issues.

A true democratcy cannot exist with the amount of people we have in our soceity.



There fixed it for you.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 8:13:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By Burley:

Originally Posted By ar15bubba:
FDR



+ 1.15 (adjusting for inflation)

It was when people realized that they could vote themselves money and not have to do a damn bit of work.

Motherfucking FDR...



Yup.

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