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Posted: 10/29/2013 7:53:02 AM EDT
Other than bladed at 45?

Deer season brought this conversation again.  A friend of mine hunts in a mutual acquaintance's property.  The property is semi-rural; subdivisions and shopping areas are not too far.

So far, he's had his stand and trail camera stolen, and has run into other hunters who were there without permission.  Our mutual acquaintance has caught people there too.  He claims he saw someone hunting with an AR get three deer one time.  Last year, his kids went playing the backyard and one of them came back covered in blood, guts, and shit.  She had gotten into a pile of deer guts that someone just left there the night before.  Why his small kids are playing by themselves in an area where coyotes are common, I have no idea, but that's different subject.

I'd think men driving their trucks through a clearly marked private property and walking around armed would be a pretty big deal, but it sounds like a common problem here.

Is this a common problem in your area?  Would that be fo time for you?
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 7:54:30 AM EDT
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I'd have to start target shooting......not my fault they can't read the no trespassing signs and wind up in my impact area...
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 7:56:45 AM EDT
i have them arrested.  we have 2 guys that like to push it, so they have been busted 3 times.  

Link Posted: 10/29/2013 7:57:50 AM EDT
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i have them arrested.  we have 2 guys that like to push it, so they have been busted 3 times.  

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It doesn't sound like the arrests are working.  Were they charged with anything?
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 7:57:54 AM EDT
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I think very little of poachers and/or tresspassers.
I would make the local game wardens aware of the issue and I would prosecute to the fullest extent of the law anyone found there without permission.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 7:58:10 AM EDT

I've had assholes show up on my land without permission.

I contacted the GW and had them ticketed...because fuck them.

They were on an access road to my property that goes nowhere and no one else has any rights to use.  They knew they didn't belong there and one of them had the nerve to say my dead father had given them permission in the past.  He never, never gave people permission that we don't know because we were often back there and didn't want some slackjawed bumpkin shooting us.

So again...in short...fuck them.  Ask permission or stay the fuck off my lawn.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 7:58:15 AM EDT
I usually go inform them of their error, if they get mouthy, I call DOW.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 7:58:42 AM EDT
maybe they look like deer?
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 7:59:55 AM EDT
I hate trespassers.
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My grandparents have some amazing pheasant land. The only problem is that the land is about 10 miles away from their farm, so they can't monitor it. It is clearly posted no hunting (I'm the only person with permission) but every year some guys come in and decimate the birds. I've been waiting to catch the fuckers in the act
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 8:01:23 AM EDT
Ask them for their permission permit, It is $1000 +tax.
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How are trespassing hunters different from any other type of trespasser/thieves?


As someone who is desperately trying to save up enough extra money to pay cash on the barrel head for some hunting property, I can say that I would be filled with a (insert potentially incriminating adjective here) rage if I found out someone was hunting my property without my permission.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 8:03:14 AM EDT
I see these people the same way I see a thief that would break into your car or house to steal from it. Fuck them. They know they're breaking the law but think for some reason it's ok for them to do it. The fact that they have the audacity to shoot at property owners when they are caught brings my piss to a boil and is grounds for putting a bullet in them for self defense.
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This.

We haven't had near the trouble it sounds like your friend has, but we've escorted a few folks off the property.  They were very whiny about it too.  
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 8:04:26 AM EDT
We have the same problem. We do have a new tree stand or 2 every year though. Funny how that works out.

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Link Posted: 10/29/2013 8:05:01 AM EDT
We have 90 acres in northern MI, I havent personally had to tell someone to leave but its always going to be tense since they have a weapon. My father told them to leave and never come back, cops were called as well.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 8:05:44 AM EDT
My stance on trespasser's with guns is Modified Weaver or Prone, depending on how I'm armed at the time.
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This. Trespassing hunters are no better than thieves.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 8:09:12 AM EDT
Is there some provision for pursuit or tracking injured game that flees onto posted property?

Or are you talking about trespassing with intent to trespass(poach)?
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 8:09:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By abnk:


Other than bladed at 45?



Deer season brought this conversation again.  A friend of mine hunts in a mutual acquaintance's property.  The property is semi-rural; subdivisions and shopping areas are not too far.



So far, he's had his stand and trail camera stolen, and has run into other hunters who were there without permission.  Our mutual acquaintance has caught people there too.  He claims he saw someone hunting with an AR get three deer one time.  Last year, his kids went playing the backyard and one of them came back covered in blood, guts, and shit.  She had gotten into a pile of deer guts that someone just left there the night before.  Why his small kids are playing by themselves in an area where coyotes are common, I have no idea, but that's different subject.



I'd think men driving their trucks through a clearly marked private property and walking around armed would be a pretty big deal, but it sounds like a common problem here.



Is this a common problem in your area?  Would that be fo time for you?
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Hang POSTED NO TRESSPASSING signs around the property, prep local LE and DNR LE as to your ongoing issue with trespassers.



Call the law on every trespasser you find and make a case on them.



Word will get around and they will trespass elsewhere where they don't get prosecuted.



 
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Originally Posted By Sekshunate:
We have 90 acres in northern MI, I havent personally had to tell someone to leave but its always going to be tense since they have a weapon. My father told them to leave and never come back, cops were called as well.
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This is what I don't understand.  If you caught someone in your barn or shed or porch, would you just ask them to leave or hold them until the police arrive?  I don't see a big difference.  I mean no offense, I just don't understand your patience and courtesy.  Maybe my frame of reference is different.
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Is there some provision for pursuit or tracking injured game that flees onto posted property?



Or are you talking about trespassing with intent to trespass(poach)?
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In GA there is such a provision, you are obligated to pursue wounded game within reason. As a courtesy I would notify a land owner if possible first, if not, make your pursuit and gtfo.



 
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 8:13:39 AM EDT
Is the property properly posted?  If not how are people supposed to know when they are crossing a boundary?  



If the entire perimeter is posted then get a locking box for the game cameras, get pictures of who is walking around and when they are walking around.  If they have a set routine either give the game warden a heads up or track them down yourself.  Personally I would probably pull a Joe Biden, yelling get off my property and then doing a mag dump in a safe direction but from cover.
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They're armed.  If they become hostile or aggressive I'd be pretty worried about my safety in a semi-remote area.  Just saying.
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Originally Posted By SWIRE:
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What do you mean by properly posted?  Those stupid "No Tresspassing" signs every 30 feet?  

If there's a fence up, it means it isn't your damn land.  I shouldn't have to put up anything more than that.  

Link Posted: 10/29/2013 8:14:59 AM EDT
From personal experience, I believe you can not keep poachers off a piece of good hunting land.  Poachers are just another division of the FSA.
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Originally Posted By abnk:


This is what I don't understand.  If you caught someone in your barn or shed or porch, would you just ask them to leave or hold them until the police arrive?  I don't see a big difference.  I mean no offense, I just don't understand your patience and courtesy.  Maybe my frame of reference is different.
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Originally Posted By abnk:
Originally Posted By Sekshunate:
We have 90 acres in northern MI, I havent personally had to tell someone to leave but its always going to be tense since they have a weapon. My father told them to leave and never come back, cops were called as well.


This is what I don't understand.  If you caught someone in your barn or shed or porch, would you just ask them to leave or hold them until the police arrive?  I don't see a big difference.  I mean no offense, I just don't understand your patience and courtesy.  Maybe my frame of reference is different.


My time is worth sending them a message that I'll spend that precious time to make damned sure they get punished for trespassing onto my land in blatant disregard of the law. 'Courteous' isn't the word I'd use to describe what I imagine my demeanor would be, but to each his own.
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What do you mean by properly posted?  Those stupid "No Tresspassing" signs every 30 feet?  

If there's a fence up, it means it isn't your damn land.  I shouldn't have to put up anything more than that.  

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Originally Posted By 74novaman:
Originally Posted By SWIRE:
Is the property properly posted?  If not how are people supposed to know when they are crossing a boundary?  



What do you mean by properly posted?  Those stupid "No Tresspassing" signs every 30 feet?  

If there's a fence up, it means it isn't your damn land.  I shouldn't have to put up anything more than that.  



It is up to the hunter to know the bounds of the land they are allowed to hunt on. In Ohio, at least, it is not assumed that you can hunt in a given place - you must have written permission of the landowner, and it is your responsibility to know where that land begins and ends.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 8:17:07 AM EDT
No trespassing signs and give people with permission a letter Go have a talk with the game warden and local police. Good luck even though this is their job. I caught the pastor of the church across the street from my house on my property with a dead deer . Called Police they never showed . The pastor thinks stealing is okay . I have found him on my property multiple occasions.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 8:17:27 AM EDT
You need to be pro-active on this stuff.  The local Game Warden and Sheriff has the combinations to our gates and a map of the property along with standing permission to enter.  We also have made it quite clear that we will prosecute anyone they find.

Does not help much with the road hunters that come from far away,  but the locals know damn well to stay off the place.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 8:17:34 AM EDT
I don't hunt anymore but what about people tracking wounded game that was shot in a other area, a problem when bowhunting.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 8:17:54 AM EDT
Steal tires.  Sell back tires for $1000 each.  If refused, call GF&P on the trespassers that abandoned a vehicle on your land.
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Originally Posted By 74novaman:


What do you mean by properly posted?  Those stupid "No Tresspassing" signs every 30 feet?  

If there's a fence up, it means it isn't your damn land.  I shouldn't have to put up anything more than that.  

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Originally Posted By SWIRE:
Is the property properly posted?  If not how are people supposed to know when they are crossing a boundary?  



What do you mean by properly posted?  Those stupid "No Tresspassing" signs every 30 feet?  

If there's a fence up, it means it isn't your damn land.  I shouldn't have to put up anything more than that.  




+1

How many people have "No Trespassing" signs posted in regular intervals along the walls of their house?  

A fence is a pretty big damn clue that someone else who isn't you owns something.
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That's smart.  

I have a lock in a plastic baggie somewhere.  Guy drove through the fence to get into property we were leasing at the time.  Cops saw his headlights and had to follow, so they shot our lock off the gate.  

If I remember right, he drove through one of the corn fields and then tried to off himself with a .22 and failed at it.  Wonder whatever happened to that guy.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 8:19:48 AM EDT
Ask permission to hunt my land? The answer is almost always "yes".

Trespass to hunt my land? Nope. I need to know who's shooting on my property, and people shooting on my property need to know where NOT to shoot.

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Link Posted: 10/29/2013 8:19:54 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By headspace:
I don't hunt anymore but what about people tracking wounded game that was shot in a other area, a problem when bowhunting.
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State law in Iowa allows hunters to retrieve wounded game even if its on someone else's property.
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Don't know how it is in your State, but that's still unlawful here unless you have the property owner's permission.   If he doesn't want to give it, he doesn't have to.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 8:20:12 AM EDT
I have 12 of these hanging on the wall of my man cave.


Link Posted: 10/29/2013 8:22:40 AM EDT
Armed tresspassers hmmmmmmmmm....what to do? In a post apocalyptic world the answer is easier, but this is not a post apocalyptic world.

Contact the authorities, make sure the property is clearly and abundantly posted, contact the authorities some more.

Any way you go about enforcing your property rights personally is going to expose you to legal and or mortal risk. Hunters are viewed/regarded differently than other varieties of thieves for whatever reason, tresspassing hunters is a very dangerous situation.
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Is the property properly posted?  If not how are people supposed to know when they are crossing a boundary?  

If the entire perimeter is posted then get a locking box for the game cameras, get pictures of who is walking around and when they are walking around.  If they have a set routine either give the game warden a heads up or track them down yourself.  Personally I would probably pull a Joe Biden, yelling get off my property and then doing a mag dump in a safe direction but from cover.
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Yeah. You do have to post your property or fence it in.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 8:23:02 AM EDT
if you bust a deer and he drops on my land no problem with that, just don't setup on my land.
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Originally Posted By abnk:


This is what I don't understand.  If you caught someone in your barn or shed or porch, would you just ask them to leave or hold them until the police arrive?  I don't see a big difference.  I mean no offense, I just don't understand your patience and courtesy. Maybe my frame of reference is different.
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Originally Posted By Sekshunate:
We have 90 acres in northern MI, I havent personally had to tell someone to leave but its always going to be tense since they have a weapon. My father told them to leave and never come back, cops were called as well.


This is what I don't understand.  If you caught someone in your barn or shed or porch, would you just ask them to leave or hold them until the police arrive?  I don't see a big difference.  I mean no offense, I just don't understand your patience and courtesy. Maybe my frame of reference is different.


Tell us how they handle trespassing hunters in the old country.
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Why?  If you don't know who owns the land, why would you assume you have the right to be on it?  

If your front door is open, can I just walk right in?  After all, door was open!  

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I think they deserved the Ned Beatty treatment.  

Link Posted: 10/29/2013 8:25:36 AM EDT
Landowners should be able to shoot trespassers on sight if caught on posted land..
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 8:26:30 AM EDT
If its a big piece of land and not clearly marked they would get 1 warninng. Anything after that I would invite the man into their life. If it is clearly marked and they are still doing it I would call the man. Also if the land owner owns a tractor I would find their truck hook up some chains and drag it out of there. Stash it in a barn or drag it nice and far away after they walk a few miles they might get the point.
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