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Posted: 7/16/2005 1:46:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/16/2005 4:03:01 PM EDT by lu380]
There has been a lot of heated debate about Pit Bulls here on Arfcom, which is surprising to me. I grew up in a very liberal community, and it has been my experience that liberals are the ones who want everything banned, including Pit Bulls. I was shocked to see how many ARFCOMMERS are basically the equivalent of Dianne Feinstein when it comes to breed-specific dog bans.

The purpose of this thread is not to debate the issue. HERE is one thread where you can debate, and of course Vito113's thread from a couple of days ago. It's only to determine ARFCOM'S official position on this issue.

So, where do you stand on this issue?

1 - BAN THEM

2- DON'T BAN THEM
Link Posted: 7/16/2005 1:46:53 PM EDT
Ban idiots who raise bad dogs
Link Posted: 7/16/2005 1:46:58 PM EDT
Not even on my radar.


Aviator
Link Posted: 7/16/2005 3:17:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By olyarms:
Ban idiots who raise bad dogs

Link Posted: 7/16/2005 3:19:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/16/2005 3:20:54 PM EDT by twonami]
they are evil and must be banned for the children.
stupid owners will be shot at dawn.
ETA: I've met several mushy pitbulls with good owners and fucked up pitbulls with asshole owners
Link Posted: 7/16/2005 3:20:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/16/2005 3:20:38 PM EDT by The_Beer_Slayer]
Link Posted: 7/16/2005 3:26:41 PM EDT
Anybody who wanted to pass a law that made any breed of dogs verboten is a complete failure.
Link Posted: 7/16/2005 3:28:08 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/16/2005 3:31:20 PM EDT
I do not think they should be banned.
I do wish people would quit breeding them and quit buying them.
Then in about 10-20 years they would cease to exist.
That would not bother me one bit.
Link Posted: 7/16/2005 3:32:09 PM EDT
Ghetto trash dogs.
Link Posted: 7/16/2005 3:35:43 PM EDT
Owner liability.
Link Posted: 7/16/2005 3:42:30 PM EDT
I've met some very nice pit bulls, as well as nice Rottweillers, German Shephards, etc. However, pit bulls tend to attract a certain type of owner, usually ghetto thugs, white trash, or people with an inferiority complex. They raise and breed aggressive dogs. Pit Bulls seem to be being bred for more aggression, and "bling".

Semper Fi
Link Posted: 7/16/2005 4:00:49 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/16/2005 4:02:04 PM EDT
Better than cats!

SGat1r5
Link Posted: 7/16/2005 4:04:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
Better than cats!

SGat1r5



Should cats be banned?
Link Posted: 7/16/2005 4:04:49 PM EDT
Ban their shitty owners
Link Posted: 7/16/2005 4:05:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SirDrinksAlot:
Anybody who wanted to pass a law that made any breed of dogs verboten is a complete failure.



Fucking right. +100
Link Posted: 7/16/2005 4:05:40 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/16/2005 4:25:10 PM EDT
It might be difficult to ban them unless they have breeding that is documented. It could end up that you would just have to ban dogs that have certain "evil features" and we saw how that worked out.

Regards,
Mild Bill
Link Posted: 7/16/2005 4:29:59 PM EDT
To heck with banning them. shoot them instead.
Link Posted: 7/16/2005 4:39:25 PM EDT
Pit bulls are some of the best dogs around, if they're had by responsible owners. All the pit bulls that make the news for mauling kids and stuff are aggressive because they were raised improperly. Just my .02
Link Posted: 7/17/2005 10:56:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mildbill39:
It might be difficult to ban them unless they have breeding that is documented. It could end up that you would just have to ban dogs that have certain "evil features" and we saw how that worked out.

Regards,
Mild Bill



There would be pre-ban PB's and post-ban PB's.
Link Posted: 7/17/2005 10:59:13 AM EDT
pits make for great pets. just like any dog, beat it and its will be mean. the difference is that a pit bull has the brawn to take a chunk out of your hide if you raise it to be a mean dog.
Link Posted: 7/17/2005 11:00:19 AM EDT
They are evil just like assualt rifles.
Link Posted: 7/17/2005 11:04:10 AM EDT
Make the owners pay higher insurance rates and taxes
Link Posted: 7/17/2005 11:12:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sam1963:
Make the owners pay higher insurance rates and taxes



Higher insurance and taxes than what you already pay in NJ is simply impossible!
Link Posted: 7/17/2005 11:19:47 AM EDT
I'd like to see a 10 year ban, with a sunset provision. Ban pit bulls with spiked collars and sharp teeth.


I voted "no", btw.


Anymore, I get the feeling that the only difference between some of you "conservatives" and your liberal enemies lies in what you want banned or restricted. Freedom loving, my ass.
Link Posted: 7/17/2005 11:20:29 AM EDT

The "official arfcom position" of pit bulls is similar to our official position on the Civil War, the USS Liberty and Evolution.

Link Posted: 7/17/2005 11:23:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
To heck with banning them. shoot them instead.




I agree and the owner as well
Link Posted: 7/17/2005 11:33:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By lu380:

Originally Posted By sam1963:
Make the owners pay higher insurance rates and taxes



Higher insurance and taxes than what you already pay in NJ is simply impossible!



I am just joking around, my statement kind of a run over from another topic about smoking.
But you are right about the taxes in nj. I do think that some type of liability insurance should be carried for animal attacks
Link Posted: 7/17/2005 11:38:37 AM EDT
how many people are killed by the irresponsible ownership of pitbulls every year? how many people are killed by irresponsible ownership of guns every year? get the point? This is America, freedom has its price
Link Posted: 7/17/2005 11:48:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By olyarms:
Ban idiots who raise bad dogs



Don't be a racist.
Link Posted: 7/17/2005 12:02:23 PM EDT
Haven't the police shot them all?
Link Posted: 7/17/2005 12:24:14 PM EDT
Give us time.
Link Posted: 7/17/2005 12:25:53 PM EDT
Just saw one killed on the freeway. Mean looking cuss. Damn tough dogs though.
Link Posted: 7/17/2005 12:43:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Rodent:
Haven't the police shot them all?



Havent had enough time


Yet !
Link Posted: 7/17/2005 12:45:32 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/17/2005 12:52:49 PM EDT
They taste great.
Link Posted: 7/17/2005 12:56:00 PM EDT
40% voted yes and no one will own up to it...


You probably think its a good thing evil machine guns are banned too...
Link Posted: 7/17/2005 1:05:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
40% voted yes and no one will own up to it...


You probably think its a good thing evil machine guns are banned too...



Yup. If you're into banning evil machine guns, you're a liberal. If you want to ban smoking, offensive TV, violent movies, porn, alcohol, or even baby killing pitbulls, you're a conservative. Freedom means controlling what other people do, as long as what you do is OK.

Honeslty, you'd think there'd be more conservatives on a gun board. I suppose there's plenty, as long as conservatism is defined as being a gun owning Republican.
Link Posted: 7/17/2005 1:07:48 PM EDT
Tread lightly. A certain Staff Member has and loves American Pit Bulls.
Link Posted: 7/17/2005 1:14:43 PM EDT
Slippery Slope
Link Posted: 7/17/2005 5:05:47 PM EDT
Due to recent events not my favorite breed. Ban them out right no.
Link Posted: 7/17/2005 5:12:43 PM EDT
So then what breed next?

I can raise a Boxer to kill intruders too. Or a Shar-Pei. Or a Doberman. Husky. Wolfhound.

Etc, etc, etc.....

Banning things like a breed of dog is asinine and it's taking the "easy way out" while never solving the underlying problem.

At some point there will be a list of everything banned that exceeds the things that aren't banned.

Wonder if we will feel safer and more free then?
Link Posted: 7/17/2005 6:02:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/17/2005 6:14:43 PM EDT
I hate Pits.

I say don't ban them but do require their perspective owners to be carefully screened before ownership and require insurance coverage that specifically covers their lovable and loyal destructive device should they suddenly tweak out and attack someone.

Pits I think have a place in life like all pets but suburbia is not IMO one of them.



Link Posted: 7/17/2005 6:22:04 PM EDT
Dont think they should be banned......but I wouldn't care if they and all other shit head breeds were reduced down to fish farm meal
Link Posted: 7/17/2005 6:24:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/17/2005 6:25:49 PM EDT by codycoyote]
Link Posted: 7/17/2005 6:24:17 PM EDT
Don't think for a second that our guberment won't outlaw a species of animal. They've outlawed species of plants for decades now.

Link Posted: 7/17/2005 6:30:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bosifus:
I hate assault weapons.

I say don't ban them but do require their perspective owners to be carefully screened before ownership and require insurance coverage that specifically covers their lovable and loyal destructive device should they suddenly tweak out and attack someone.

AR15's I think have a place in life like all guns but suburbia is not IMO one of them.





Link Posted: 7/17/2005 6:46:17 PM EDT


Pit Bulls are wimpy dogs just like all other dogs. It's asshole pit bull owners that train them to be mean. That are the ones to be banned/excuted.

Dogs of all kind are cool!
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